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Insurrectionist posted:Seriously the left's only difference is they're not vitriolic ENOUGH about it. Congratulations, you have learned nothing.
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Forgall posted:There are tons of people who could use some of that empathy right now, and precisely zero of them are trump voters. You know that's not true. Trump voters include a lot of the alt-right which has zero empathy for anyone different from them. They were also the loudest Trump supporting group online which unfortunately did help bury the reasonable reasons for voting Trump under deporting all Muslims and the wall. The way Hillary supporters and her campaign treated Trump supporters was indeed lovely and stupid. Dismissing your opponents views entirely does not work. Things have become way too partisan inost governments in the west and I fear that going to have awful long term consequences. As far as "social justice" goes it's much like modern feminism where the extreme activists are the most noticeable online but most of the various groups are likely quite moderate and not the kind of people the right likes to dismiss as "the regressive left." Online just tends to give the crazies of a group the loudest voice. Mokinokaro fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Nov 20, 2016 |
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Congratulations, you have learned nothing. Again, might want to get back on topic rather than continuing politics-chat, especially if what you have to offer is condescending one-liners without any substance or credibility rather than actual discussion.
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I'm contemplating whether or not I should post this long but relevant Reddit scrawl in this thread, but it may be more appropriate for IOSM.I'll just link it for those who are interested. This is the internet review thread so let me review 2016; it was ASSTASTIC. somekindofguy fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Nov 20, 2016 |
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There are two basic theoretical types of Trump supporters. Literal neonazis and other types for whom the racism was the primary goal. This type will always vote for oppression and evil. Shaming them and shouting "nazi" at them will never work ever, because they are literal neonazi and they enjoy liberal attempts to shame them. They must be outnumbered. The second type would be the theoretical person who voted for Trump for reasons other than racism such as pig headed party loyalty, a fear for their jobs and/or living conditions, buying into stupid conspiracy theories around Hillary, or feeling otherized by the Democrats. This is the type that could be won over in theory by a progressive candidate. If the first group is large enough to consistently win elections without outside help you can't win. If that's the way it is you have to give up and leave the country because they own it. No amount of calling them racist will fix this because the fascists won fairly. Now there is of course the confounding variable in all this in that swing states where Trump won tended to have a significantly larger drop in blue votes than a rise in red votes, by a factor of two or more. This seems to indicate that the people in the theoretical second group of Trump supporters just didn't vote. Most people who would otherwise have voted Democrat weren't willing to swallow the pill of racism, but also weren't willing to vote for Hillary. So maybe just maybe your goal should be less "how do we convert Trump voters" and more "how do we motivate people who voted for Obama to come back out and vote against Trump". Which probably involves appealing to poor rural Americans in the way people dishonestly claim you should appeal to Trump supporters. Make the Democrats the party for union members again, if your "globalist" polices haven't already killed all the unions in America by then.
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Terrible Opinions posted:Now there is of course the confounding variable in all this in that swing states where Trump won tended to have a significantly larger drop in blue votes than a rise in red votes, by a factor of two or more. This seems to indicate that the people in the theoretical second group of Trump supporters just didn't vote. Most people who would otherwise have voted Democrat weren't willing to swallow the pill of racism, but also weren't willing to vote for Hillary. So maybe just maybe your goal should be less "how do we convert Trump voters" and more "how do we motivate people who voted for Obama to come back out and vote against Trump". Which probably involves appealing to poor rural Americans in the way people dishonestly claim you should appeal to Trump supporters. Make the Democrats the party for union members again, if your "globalist" polices haven't already killed all the unions in America by then. A lot of the Trump surge in voters came from blue collar rural people who have felt completely ignored by both parties for years, and are pretty desperate to escape their poverty. They tended toward Trump and away from Clinton because of the perception that he's a maverick outsider (who promises their jobs back) while she's another business-as-usual establishment candidate. They often supported Sanders and Obama for the same reason: they understand that the political status quo isn't doing them any favors, they know they need someone who will change things, and they're not really capable of the levels of research needed to fully understand the situation and make informed choices, because they're undereducated and busy as gently caress trying to make ends meet. Trump is a salesman who speaks simply, and Trump sold them his presidency with the promise of their jobs back. Desperate people got conned. I mean, yeah, they're often racist, in the same way that most people are racist because of the background radiation of our culture, but that's not really their motivation. (Again, many of them voted for Obama.) Just writing them off as "Oh, they're a bunch of dumb bigots, there's no reason to reach out to them," is both unfair and counterproductive, because this is exactly the kind of thing that will happen. They're a demographic that's fallen through the cracks, and it's a tragedy that, in the increasing support for various minorities, the Democrats have forgotten about the kind of people in poverty who they once fought for. We absolutely should find a way to make some room for these people, instead of lumping them in with the monsters that are Trump's die-hard supporters.
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shut the gently caress up and go back to Debate & Discussion Regular Cars is planning a trip to the UK
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I put a price of 20,000 dirham on their heads.
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Mokinokaro posted:As far as "social justice" goes it's much like modern feminism where the extreme activists are the most noticeable online but most of the various groups are likely quite moderate and not the kind of people the right likes to dismiss as "the regressive left." Online just tends to give the crazies of a group the loudest voice. Actually, the loudest feminist voices online are by and large inoffensive center-left types. This doesn't change the fact that there mere existence in online spaces drives lovely nerds into a murderous rage.
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I can't believe these men may control the fate of the middle east.
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echopapa posted:These men are pawns! I liked the plotline of Mike's made up movie The Inside in the new Half in the Bag about
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Someone made a video essay on how Marvel movies are shot that is pretty interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpWYtXtmEFQ
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Who wants to learn about Jesus through the medium of bad puppetry and baked goods? Lupa, Phelous and Nash riff on something called Donut Man: On The Air
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"I'm sure they've focus-grouped this to gain empirical evidence that audiences love flat, dull-looking superhero movies. So this is just my opinion."
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Insurrectionist posted:Again, might want to get back on topic rather than continuing politics-chat, especially if what you have to offer is condescending one-liners without any substance or credibility rather than actual discussion. lol at jontron since I never watched that basic rear end YouTube hack anyway but it's not surprising. I always got a laugh out of the Persians you'd see showing up to stormfront (back when it was something to point and laugh at while lurking and not mainstream politics) and going "you see we also hate the black!! We are true Aryan people from land of Aryan accept us!!!" and the white trash would just be like "lol no" You'd think he'd be bothered by the prospect of an even further increased difficulty for Persian family members to visit Iran or visit him from Iran but he's apparently a fat self hating piece of poo poo so I guess not Plenty of weak minded dudes will race to be recognized as "one of the good ones" these next few years
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I seriously don't get how people stomach YouTube personalities who obvie do the "I'm talking and acting all fast and loud and hyper in a very forced and artificial way as if I'm trying to entertain a 11 year old" if you get what I mean, which is why I never got into that jontron guy. I don't blame em cuz that's probably the majority demo but god knows how everyone else deals with it, guess I dodged a bullet. Doesn't he also do some corny rear end voice? Also the second funniest thing lurking on stormfront for threads of worthless white people freaking out about will smith movies were the Asians who'd show up to be like "we also hate the black!! We also think race should stay separate!!" and the neo Nazis would be like "f off." So basically America in 2016 is the stormfront forums from eight years ago
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Debate and Discussion and C-SPAM still exist, guys. You can post there if you want to.
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So sorry back to comic book movies and anime don't wanna puncture any goon balloons
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p.s. That reminds me The White Balloon was a good movie, take it from this internet critic I wonder if anyone's done any video essays about that
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Punkin Spunkin posted:I seriously don't get how people stomach YouTube personalities who obvie do the "I'm talking and acting all fast and loud and hyper in a very forced and artificial way as if I'm trying to entertain a 11 year old" if you get what I mean, which is why I never got into that jontron guy. I don't blame em cuz that's probably the majority demo but god knows how everyone else deals with it, guess I dodged a bullet. Doesn't he also do some corny rear end voice? he does a phony-rear end Nathan Lane voice, it's the woooooooooorst
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Jim Sterling is going to gently caress a Boglin soon, isn't he?
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Someone hook this guy up with Brad, I smell a moneymaker the likes of which we haven't seen since the E.T. porno.
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Puppy Time posted:OK I was wondering how anyone could look at a cartoon packed with references that mostly Baby Boomers would get and decide that it could've been written by children, but didn't want to endure Doug, so thanks for that detail. Yeah, I was curious enough about that to actually watch it, but I don't regret that as much as I thought I would. It is one hell of a "why do people watch movies" title, though.
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Jim Sterling has probably hosed every single Boglin he owns, three times at least.
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Alaois posted:he does a phony-rear end Nathan Lane voice, it's the woooooooooorst Yeah, I can't stand that voice. It's almost impossible for me to listen through his stuff just from that. It doesn't help that I don't find him funny or insightful either, and then he had to go and be an awful person, too.
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Punkin Spunkin posted:It's 2016 cut your pat hack South Park Republican "maybe the truth is in the middle" bullshit I don't know how you got that impression considering I'm a hard-left European but you sure showed me.
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Alaois posted:he does a phony-rear end Nathan Lane voice, it's the woooooooooorst Fake voice reviewers should be shot
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Insurrectionist posted:I don't know how you got that impression considering I'm a hard-left European but you sure showed me. Nobody cares
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people please go watch all the videos that Allison Pregler recently put up because they are great. That Donut Man thing, christ.
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Seeing videos like the donut one makes me wonder what kind of thought process went into making them. Did these people really want to teach kids about Jesus through the medium of fast food, or were they just trying to crank out something as quickly and cheaply as possible that they could market to religious parents? Either way, the riffing was great. It’s good to see more of the crew from the old days of TGWTG joining forces again.
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Is the gun to shoot flies the most American thing ever? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXr-vd9ZyF8
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RLM released a commentary track for Gremlins (a criminally over-looked movie these days). It's fun stuff!
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Infamous Sphere posted:people please go watch all the videos that Allison Pregler recently put up because they are great. That Donut Man thing, christ. Aw, thank you! It was fun to record those, Nash is great. Gonna be putting together some more Movie Nights I recorded with Phelan soon!
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Miss Wallace posted:Aw, thank you! It was fun to record those, Nash is great. Gonna be putting together some more Movie Nights I recorded with Phelan soon! Hey, do you have like a discord or some way to contact you privately, I wanted to link you something you might enjoy for a Phelan and Nash thing if you three decide to riff on more stuff
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Cubey posted:i like todd and still give him billz through patreon, but his most recent couple of videos have been a letdown. the pop music landscape of right now doesn't have songs like scream and shout or cooler than me or drive by, so there isn't much comedy material to be wrung from current music, and so many songs right now just sound the same-ish that even talking about the music itself is pointless. hence just talking about lyrics, and yeah, that's a way lame approach to music criticism, hence why i'd like fewer pop song reviews and more ohw episodes instead. Didn't he have a whole bunch of twitter meltdowns?
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