|
TheFluff posted:Sniping isn't always the best idea no, I abort it pretty frequently even when I do try it (like if the enemy CV spots the strike or there's a bunch of good AA ships in the way etc). Its not strictly inferior to play AS over strike, but there are some important things that need to be kept in mind. A strike player does not have much vision control when against an AS loadout. While the strike player may be capable of inflicting more damage, he also gives up more and more vision control to the AS player with every strike, assuming the AS player has assumed a mostly defensive stance. AS is vision control first, protection second. AS heavily relies on your team to be competent, and you tip the scales in their favor by spotting out DDs, torps, and making smokescreens harder to employ without being directly inside (and therefore vulnerable to torps), while allowing your own DDs to move unmolested to optimal torping angles or capping points. AS loadouts were not terribly uncommon in team battles for this reason. If you need to carry, though, strike is the choice to go. Strike can also maintain some vision against a balanced loadout.
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2016 00:55
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 31, 2024 18:12 |
|
|
And to think I had not been enjoying the Benson recently Lost a 140k damage Molotov game by a couple pixels. 11 planes shot down and with his last two torpedo bombers he finally scrapes my side with one after I dodged the first 3 drops. Our AS Bogue only had 8 shot down.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2016 02:31
|
|
|
Tier 3, 4 and 5 in a battleship at the moment is horrible. Lots of expert CV players seal clubbing to get the 500k damage mission done. If you have a newbie CV player on your team then you're in for a bad time.
PST fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Nov 26, 2016 |
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2016 03:15
|
|
|
Hazdoc posted:I'm going to nitpick since you mentioned the Shoukaku, but you can't technically even see a Shoukaku. CVs have forced parity in MM, meaning you MUST see another T7 CV in the game. Also, T8+ CVs can only see one other CV in the match. Therefore, you cannot see T8-9 CVs, ever. You can see up to T9 boats, but never a T8-9 CV. (PS: this is why the Saipan is such bullshit). ??? He never mentioned what specific tier he was playing, just that he didn't want to play Saipan and wanted to aggravate other CV players. Thus, that was just a tier-by-tier comparison of US vs. IJN carriers when it comes to their fighters. The specific Saipan mention was simply to point out that even Saipans are going to be annoyed by AS Rangers with Dogfighting Expert, regardless of whether one or both have Air Supremacy or not. Ergo, 4 Saipan fighters vs. 6 Ranger fighters with Dogfighting Expert tends to go the way of the Ranger - and sometimes even 8 Saipan fighters vs. 6 Ranger fighters basically goes that way too. If they can't get the strafe off for whatever reason, they're outmatched. Hell, with Saipan I've lost 1v1s with Independence fighter squadrons (presumably with Dogfighting). Saipan certainly can't see a Shokaku, but the Lexington can, and the Lexington, same as the Ranger and Independence, has 2 fighter squadrons to Shokaku's 3.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2016 03:15
|
|
|
Does anyone actually play the 3-fighter Shokaku load out? I think I've seen an IJN CV play air superiority like two times ever. The balanced 2/2/2 setup is what everyone uses, and for good reasons. Edit: oh never mind I see what you mean now, misunderstood the context
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2016 03:32
|
|
|
I got the Takao, its pretty neat. Forgot the cardinal rule of ARP though... I have no loving idea what the captain is yelling about.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2016 03:39
|
|
|
Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:Couldn't get Torpedo Acceleration commander skill to display improvement on Akizuki torpedoes
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2016 04:36
|
|
|
TheFluff posted:Does anyone actually play the 3-fighter Shokaku load out? I think I've seen an IJN CV play air superiority like two times ever. The balanced 2/2/2 setup is what everyone uses, and for good reasons. Honestly, I've been seeing a number of IJN CVs running the AS loadout recently in T6 and 7. Still more other loadouts, but definitely seems like a larger percentage than previously. Not sure if something changed, or if there's a new batch of players using CVs that are going for the AS loadout for whatever reason.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2016 05:03
|
|
|
Finally got the Khab tonight and hoo boy I forgot how bad playing a DD is without Last Stand. Burning a few dragon flags tomorrow so I can get that and AFT back tomorrow...getting your engine knocked out twice in 15 seconds by German BB secondaries is just grand.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2016 05:23
|
|
|
Yeah, and the secondaries track properly so unlike a human their first few volleys don't fall a ship's length behind you.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2016 05:25
|
|
|
If I had been given 1000 reports for today only, I would have used them all up. It literally does not matter how well I do with these loving teams. e: hahahaha, LATER THAT NIGHT   
Godlessdonut fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Nov 26, 2016 |
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2016 06:42
|
|
|
Just a little bit more and you would have had kraken on top of that. I'll bet you were angry the entire game. Congratulations, very impressive.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2016 08:25
|
|
|
Got the Fiji last night, but was exhausted and slept without playing it. Actually got to use it today, confirmed as loving awesome. Dealing 15-30k to a battleship over the course of a game is the norm, not the exception, and it wrecks the face off of most cruisers and like all destroyers but I have got to start remembering radar ranges because I can tell that's going to gently caress me over if I don't.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2016 08:42
|
|
|
Anyone want an invite code? 3 days of premium, port slot, Emden. Hardly impressive considering you can get 7 days with the World of Tanks Reddit invite code but still, figured I'd ask.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2016 21:29
|
|
|
someone accept my application to seamen!
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2016 21:54
|
|
|
Every game where I remember my boat has a speed other than "full" I do 1000% better in. But it's so fun to have rum and do boats.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2016 22:03
|
|
|
Bingemoose posted:someone accept my application to seamen! I may be wrong, but I think seaman is full or something like that. Plus if I remember my conversation with... dafuck if I know who, its possible that a new clan needs to be created for some reason I dont quite remember
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2016 22:59
|
|
|
I'm pretty terrible at carriers, seriously. I'm that Saipan captain you hope isn't on team. So the last thanksgiving mission is a chore for everyone involved on my teams. Including me. Btw to show you how nubish I am, I have a question. Is strafe AOE? Or in other words can you shoot down your own planes?
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2016 23:04
|
|
|
ZombieLenin posted:I'm pretty terrible at carriers, seriously. I'm that Saipan captain you hope isn't on team. Yes you can shoot down your own planes. Its a tactic some people will do. They'll engage with one plane, hoping you commit all your squadrons. Then she strafe the group with their other planes. They lose some planes, but gently caress you up more.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2016 23:08
|
|
|
Note that for some utterly moronic reason, WG changed the code a number of patches back so that allied planes you shoot down, whether they're off a second carrier or your own, count as team damage. So yes, a fairly common CV strategy used by many captains will indeed make a game not count towards clearing pink status. It's not even a case of the secondaries issue, where they always could hit friendly ships and cause damage, with WG specifically having to set them to cause no team damage after cases where people were getting or keeping pink status from their secondaries, because friendly shootdowns didn't used to count.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2016 23:20
|
|
|
  
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2016 23:23
|
|
|
Clearly, you're not carrying hard enough. Slacker.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2016 23:24
|
|
|
Question for you fellas; I unlocked the Mutsuki a while back, and never played it suspecting I should reconsider the current DD line. Should I buy it and respect my captain to it so I get two destroyers/captains for the price of one?
|
|
#
?
Nov 27, 2016 17:39
|
|
|
Been having a really really tough time in the Farragut. Watched a Kombat_Wombat game in it and now things make sense. Kill any DDs near you. Hide from same and higher tier cruisers. Rain shells upon BBs and if possible sneak up and torp them.
|
|
#
?
Nov 27, 2016 18:50
|
|
|
I started playing this game. I love setting things on fire, I may be IJN for life.
|
|
#
?
Nov 27, 2016 20:11
|
|
|
Russians are waaaaay better at setting things on fire. Lots of shells, lots of range, lots of fire, lots of citadel.
|
|
#
?
Nov 27, 2016 20:26
|
|
|
Just realized how far along I am in the shipsgiving thing and uhhh I guess I need a CV. Unfortunately the only one that I can get right now is a Langley. Looking at the US loadouts it seems like they either have all the fighters or none of the fighters and that seems a bit annoying. Granted I don't really plan to go that far with them, but are they that gimped or is just a matter of flying enemy fighters into friendly AA and hoping for the best?
|
|
#
?
Nov 27, 2016 20:57
|
|
|
Gearhead posted:I started playing this game. I love setting things on fire, I may be IJN for life. As I understand, if you can get used to the shell arcs, the Cleveland is still the king poo poo of firestarting, at least at mid tiers.
|
|
#
?
Nov 27, 2016 20:59
|
|
|
rex rabidorum vires posted:Just realized how far along I am in the shipsgiving thing and uhhh I guess I need a CV. Unfortunately the only one that I can get right now is a Langley. Looking at the US loadouts it seems like they either have all the fighters or none of the fighters and that seems a bit annoying. Granted I don't really plan to go that far with them, but are they that gimped or is just a matter of flying enemy fighters into friendly AA and hoping for the best? Get the Hosho, low tier ijn CVs poop all over USN ones. Two torp bomber squads is just fantastic vs poo poo dive bombers.
|
|
#
?
Nov 27, 2016 21:07
|
|
|
Gwaihir posted:Get the Hosho, low tier ijn CVs poop all over USN ones. Two torp bomber squads is just fantastic vs poo poo dive bombers. I haven't played any Japanese BBs yet so it would be an annoying grind unless I free xp'ed it. Just grabbed a Lang because gently caress it. 50k, 15 shot down, 4 fires, and 3 kills first game out. Need to learn how to correctly drop manual torps because I f'ed up the drop twice and if I hadn't I would have nuked a Hosho and Konig.
|
|
#
?
Nov 27, 2016 21:23
|
|
|
Not all of my games have been that fantastic, but I just had a 119,746 damage game in my Fiji and came up on the top of the leaderboard. It helps that a Neptune on the enemy team was very courteous and decided to both give me full broadside at point blank range and park right in front of me so that I could make him eat poo poo by getting something ridiculous like 17 citadels. Even if I only saw him at like 3.6km away. Later, an Izumo was also very obliging and drove right into two of my torpedo salvos. Fun little tip: the high tier RN ships seem to have a visibly thicker section of plate where their citadels are, so if you can see that you pretty much get a "shoot here for massive amounts of citadels" sign Rorac posted:Got the Fiji last night, but was exhausted and slept without playing it. Actually got to use it today, confirmed as loving awesome. Dealing 15-30k to a battleship over the course of a game is the norm, not the exception, and it wrecks the face off of most cruisers and like all destroyers but I have got to start remembering radar ranges because I can tell that's going to gently caress me over if I don't. 'Sup Fiji buddy?
|
|
#
?
Nov 27, 2016 21:25
|
|
|
Gwaihir posted:Get the Hosho, low tier ijn CVs poop all over USN ones. Two torp bomber squads is just fantastic vs poo poo dive bombers. The hosho is agonizing to play against a langley with fighters though, one squad of langley fighters will poo poo all over your entire airforce.
|
|
#
?
Nov 27, 2016 21:33
|
|
|
Soup Inspector posted:
 I'm having a problem with the Fiji, or rather RN cruisers. If they continue the way they're going, I think I'll want to keep the Edinburgh and the Minotaur, as well as the Fiji and Leander, and I just do not have that many port slots open.
|
|
#
?
Nov 27, 2016 21:47
|
|
|
CVs are where your soul goes to die isn't it? Also is WTR kind of like WN8 or is it actually a fairly decent metric?
|
|
#
?
Nov 27, 2016 22:16
|
|
|
Gwaihir posted:Get the Hosho, low tier ijn CVs poop all over USN ones. Two torp bomber squads is just fantastic vs poo poo dive bombers. Langley is way better for seal clubbing. Had a 160k damage/six kill game today farming damage for Shipsgiving. e: I'd go so far as to say it's the best non-premium US CV.
|
|
#
?
Nov 27, 2016 22:42
|
|
|
I'm still suuuper early in advancement, only just about to unlock Destroyers. I'm still at the stage where Chikuma B felt like a huge upgrade. 
|
|
#
?
Nov 27, 2016 23:37
|
|
|
The Hosho fighters are slightly faster than the Langley fighters so you can control the engagement a bit. But you have to really be on the loving ball to beat a sealclubber Langley player. If the Langley gets a strafe off on your fighters then it's pretty much gg.rex rabidorum vires posted:I haven't played any Japanese BBs yet so it would be an annoying grind unless I free xp'ed it. Just grabbed a Lang because gently caress it. 50k, 15 shot down, 4 fires, and 3 kills first game out. Need to learn how to correctly drop manual torps because I f'ed up the drop twice and if I hadn't I would have nuked a Hosho and Konig. Yeah if you just want a CV for missions and to occasionally screw around in, the Langley is the better choice. Hosho if you actually want to grind the line. Gearhead posted:I started playing this game. I love setting things on fire, I may be IJN for life. Russian cruisers and destroyers are the best firestarters. Though Japanese cruisers are #2 so it's not a terrible choice.
|
|
#
?
Nov 27, 2016 23:45
|
|
|
My basic understanding is that IJN are slightly inferior in setting fires but better at sneaking up on things. Which stirs the Do You Believe In Magic? music cue in my heart all the more.
|
|
#
?
Nov 27, 2016 23:48
|
|
|
El Disco posted:The Hosho fighters are slightly faster than the Langley fighters so you can control the engagement a bit. But you have to really be on the loving ball to beat a sealclubber Langley player. If the Langley gets a strafe off on your fighters then it's pretty much gg. I got pretty lucky with a strafe and caught a Hosho's fighter and both torp squads in it. Annihilated all them.
|
|
#
?
Nov 27, 2016 23:52
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 31, 2024 18:12 |
|
|
Yea the IJN fighters are loving pathetic. I can catch multiple Bogue or Langley squads in a strafe, and kill like two planes, total. In my AS fit bogue a strafe will 100% annihilate any whole squad caught in it.
|
|
#
?
Nov 28, 2016 00:20
|
|