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castro was a cool guy, cooler than Obama in fact
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Was Castro any better than Batista y/n? It's really difficult to compare them. Batista was a crony cumbag who was beholden to the criminal organizations of the US and South America. He was the worst kind of capitalist in the pinochet sense. He needed to be overthrown. Castro is the kind of dictator who has no barrier to what he's willing to do to protect his ideals for Cuba. This includes allowing people to starve and mass public executions and suspected rapes in secret police prisons. He was also paranoid to the level Stalin was and responded accordingly. Some people argue he probably had reason to be paranoid since the CIA tried to kill him more than any other world leader. Both were pieces of poo poo and I'm glad they are both dead.
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Nov 26, 2016 07:58
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quote:In 1986 a "Tribunal on Cuba" was held in Paris to present testimonies by former prisoners of Cuba's penal system to the international media. The gathering was sponsored by Resistance International and The Coalition of Committees for the Rights of Man in Cuba. The testimonies presented at the tribunal, before an international panel, alleged a pattern of torture in Cuba's prisons and "hard labor camps". These included beatings, biological experiments in diet restrictions, violent interrogations and extremely unsanitary conditions. The jury concurred with allegations of arbitrary arrests; sentencing by court martial with neither public audience nor defense; periods in hard labour camps without sufficient food, clothes and medical care; and the arrests of children over nine years old. Plenty more here that Fidel was morally responsible for allowing to happen/personally denied or enabled at the very least. "Best dictator" is a lie so long as there's at least one relatively weak dictator/monarch who at least didn't torture people and lock up kids.
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Nov 26, 2016 07:59
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Most of the "mass executions" under Castro were thugs of the Batista regime who had it coming tbh.
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Nov 26, 2016 08:02
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I said violent dictator. If your nominee didn't slaughter their enemies and/or violently suppress their people then you can forget it. 
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Nov 26, 2016 08:03
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Mantis42 posted:Most of the "mass executions" under Castro were thugs of the Batista regime who had it coming tbh. Yea like those queers he loved so much
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Nov 26, 2016 08:05
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Yea like those queers he loved so much Yea that was poo poo and Castro was lovely about a lot of things but wet blanket liberals crying about communism makes me pine for the days of LF tbh.
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Nov 26, 2016 08:08
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Mantis42 posted:Most of the "mass executions" under Castro were thugs of the Batista regime who had it coming tbh. It's okay to murder them all because they are political opponents. Also they were definitely all really bad murderous thugs because Castro said so when he had them executed. I'm the vanguard of the incoming socialist utopia
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Nov 26, 2016 08:13
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Yea like those queers he loved so much His niece, current president Raoul's daughter Mariela is a LGBT rights proponent and did a bunch for aids prevention and the rights of lgbt folks, particularly the T portion, who can have reassignment surgery covered by the national healthcare.
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Nov 26, 2016 08:14
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Nov 26, 2016 08:15
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shrike82 posted:Where are all these tankies coming from They think that the election of Trump is their opportunity to seize control of the left and convert it back to Marxism-Leninism. Ron Jeremy posted:His niece, current president Raoul's daughter Mariela is a LGBT rights proponent and did a bunch for aids prevention and the rights of lgbt folks, particularly the T portion, who can have reassignment surgery covered by the national healthcare. Castro must've been a swell guy to have such a cool niece.
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Nov 26, 2016 08:16
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Ron Jeremy posted:His niece, current president Raoul's daughter Mariela is a LGBT rights proponent and did a bunch for aids prevention and the rights of lgbt folks, particularly the T portion, who can have reassignment surgery covered by the national healthcare. This is kind of bullshit. His niece is in charge of the only LGBT organization/recognized allowed in Cuba. Organizations that don't tow the line get cracked down on loving hard. It's a complete smoke screen. There are serious LGBT issues in CUBA and buying into their media presence and being a gay destination is falling for that trap.
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Nov 26, 2016 08:21
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Are you saying San Francisco's Castro district is named after someone who is not LGBT friendly!?
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Nov 26, 2016 08:22
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Fojar38 posted:It's okay to murder them all because they are political opponents. Also they were definitely all really bad murderous thugs because Castro said so when he had them executed. I'm the vanguard of the incoming socialist utopia Yes, it actually was okay to kill people trying to reenslave the nation. Historians like Jon Lee Anderson who have written about the Cuban Revolution admit that its hard to find any examples of innocent people being executed. Liberals are pathetic.
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Nov 26, 2016 08:24
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Mantis42 posted:Yes, it actually was okay to kill people trying to reenslave the nation. Historians like Jon Lee Anderson who have written about the Cuban Revolution admit that its hard to find any examples of innocent people being executed.  loving liberalswith their due process
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Nov 26, 2016 08:25
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Ron Jeremy posted:His niece, current president Raoul's daughter Mariela is a LGBT rights proponent and did a bunch for aids prevention and the rights of lgbt folks, particularly the T portion, who can have reassignment surgery covered by the national healthcare. He loving destroyed every lgbt rights group and jailed and tortured members who opposed him so his lovely niece could run the one group allowed to exist. He can suck one fatter than his cigars. Mantis42 posted:Yes, it actually was okay to kill people trying to reenslave the nation. Historians like Jon Lee Anderson who have written about the Cuban Revolution admit that its hard to find any examples of innocent people being executed. Actually, purges are cool says local Marxist teen
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Nov 26, 2016 08:28
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Mantis42 posted:Yes, it actually was okay to kill people trying to reenslave the nation. Historians like Jon Lee Anderson who have written about the Cuban Revolution admit that its hard to find any examples of innocent people being executed. They were trying to reenslave the nation and none of them were innocent. I know this to be true, because the Cuban government told me so. Who needs rule of law and due process when you can just have a dictator decide who is good (people who support me for supreme leader) and who is bad (People who supported the other guy)
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Nov 26, 2016 08:29
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this topic reminds me, what's the verdict on normalization of cuban relations with trump? obama was doing some good work there and cuba's rapidly getting much better off in recent years from it. is trump one of those guys that's like 'NO GRAH THE SOVIET UNION WAS A THING LIKE TWENTY YEARS AGO THEREFORE CUBA MUST NOT BE FORGIVEN FOR ITS SINS' and as such the sort of person who'd undo all of that?
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Nov 26, 2016 08:31
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Gyra_Solune posted:this topic reminds me, what's the verdict on normalization of cuban relations with trump? obama was doing some good work there and cuba's rapidly getting much better off in recent years from it. is trump one of those guys that's like 'NO GRAH THE SOVIET UNION WAS A THING LIKE TWENTY YEARS AGO THEREFORE CUBA MUST NOT BE FORGIVEN FOR ITS SINS' and as such the sort of person who'd undo all of that? Trump wants to build hotels in Cuba and make lots of money.
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Nov 26, 2016 08:33
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Mantis42 posted:Yes, it actually was okay to kill people trying to reenslave the nation. Historians like Jon Lee Anderson who have written about the Cuban Revolution admit that its hard to find any examples of innocent people being executed. My grandfather fought for Castro but was imprisoned after Castro decided to take his promises of Democracy away and he had GALL to disagree with Castro on that. One of his closest friends was used as an example for the rest of the people who dissented from Che/Castro's communist shift and they shot him in the middle of the prison near Matanzas. Yea, Castro was a real hero of the people. Stop loving being lovely. Castro wasn't a hero nor even a good person. He was a dictator and ideologue who killed his enemies.
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Nov 26, 2016 08:32
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tankies on twitter are on a rampage
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Nov 26, 2016 08:35
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Communism loving sucks. Not saying pure Capitalism is better (it too sucks), but yeah, I thought we settled this a long time ago?
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Nov 26, 2016 08:40
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Mantis42 posted:Yes, it actually was okay to kill people trying to reenslave the nation. Historians like Jon Lee Anderson who have written about the Cuban Revolution admit that its hard to find any examples of innocent people being executed. I didn't realize a vintage era T-34 could even register an account on SA, much less use a keyboard.
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Nov 26, 2016 08:47
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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Fojar38 posted:Trump wants to build hotels in Cuba and make lots of money. i see ...that begs the question - is this at all a good business idea
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Nov 26, 2016 08:47
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I know a guy who lost both his legs trying to escape Cuba. And then he tried again, by swimming, without legs. So I'm betting it is not a great place.
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Nov 26, 2016 08:49
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Die Sexmonster! posted:
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Nov 26, 2016 08:50
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I know a guy who lost both his legs trying to escape Cuba. It feels like, ideology aside, if people are willing to float on trash rafts in droves across a sea to hopefully drift onto another country's shore before they die at sea, your country may suck.
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Nov 26, 2016 08:52
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FuzzySkinner posted:Communism loving sucks. If you're just talking about centrally-planned economies, yeah those suck rear end. Everyone has figured that out by now, right?
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Nov 26, 2016 09:00
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RIP Fidel. Hopefully Raul turns over Asata Shakur as an olive branch in the process of normalizing relations.
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Nov 26, 2016 09:01
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I mean if we're getting in that deep of weeds I guess but that's like trying to decide what serial killer was the least bad based on how much charity work he did between hacking people up in his basement. I won't deny that there is a scale there, but does the scale actually matter? Ted Bundy was an up-and-coming Republican. Sorry, that was a vaguely relevant factoid that I like to spit out whenever given the chance. Higsian posted:I feel like Castro has be in the running for least bad violent dictator in history. Who are some nonviolent dictators?
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Nov 26, 2016 09:04
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Higsian posted:Nah. I said he was the least bad, not that he was good despite being a dictator. Singapore definitely has its problems politically but if you want to point to dictatorships that have done good by its citizens then it would be way above Cuba.
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Nov 26, 2016 09:05
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Tatum Girlparts posted:It feels like, ideology aside, if people are willing to float on trash rafts in droves across a sea to hopefully drift onto another country's shore before they die at sea, your country may suck. If we economically embargoed any other Caribbean like we did Cuba, then created special immigration law for refugees who float to America from there I bet people would try. Ideology aside.
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Nov 26, 2016 09:10
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Senor Tron posted:Singapore definitely has its problems politically but if you want to point to dictatorships that have done good by its citizens then it would be way above Cuba. The way I've heard it from some Singaporeans on another forum is that their absolutely tiny country is at threat all the time. It has to balance ethnic/religious tensions within because: 1. Its small nature means any vaguely large scale violence could become a national affair. 2. The appearance of weakness is an invitation for hostile neighbors. It was their justification for some of the restrictions on freedom of speech. It made sense to me. If your country and its citizens' well-being depends on these limitations, so be it.
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Nov 26, 2016 09:15
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NikkolasKing posted:The way I've heard it from some Singaporeans on another forum is that their absolutely tiny country is at threat all the time. It has to balance ethnic/religious tensions within because: I'm sure any two-bit dictator can come up with reasons why their country and its citizens well-being depended on limitations on politics and speech. That's propaganda step like 3 or 4 after you seize power.
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Nov 26, 2016 09:22
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FuzzySkinner posted:Communism loving sucks. The truth is in the middle?!
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Nov 26, 2016 09:26
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Trabisnikof posted:I'm sure any two-bit dictator can come up with reasons why their country and its citizens well-being depended on limitations on politics and speech. That's propaganda step like 3 or 4 after you seize power. What if its true, though? America is the exception not the rule when it comes to absolute freedom of speech. Our good friends in "the West" pretty much all have limits on said freedom because they recognize by exercising your right, you are sometimes infringing on the rights of others. And Singapore is smaller and weaker than those countries. There was a great story in the Washington Post back at the end of September about this gay-bashing American preacher who was kindly kicked the gently caress out of Botswana because he was preaching his hatred. We can't all be the sole superpower in the world ya know and enjoy all the luxuries that entails.
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Nov 26, 2016 09:31
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Singapore is poo poo-tier and the state will murder you on the barest of pretenses. Upper middle-class Singaporeans love it for the same reason upper middle-class people everywhere love their country, that being that their society is organized around their comfort. Rich white assholes visit it and sing its praises back home for the same reasons rich white assholes always love SE Asia and sing its praises (i.e. business opportunities and sex tourism). There is nothing to be copied from city-state of Singapore, and the only lessons to learn are what to avoid.
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Nov 26, 2016 09:35
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good public housing, subsidized primary to tertiary education, universal heath care, good DC retirement schemes, and low taxes sounds pretty good to me
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Nov 26, 2016 09:39
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Tatum Girlparts posted:He loving destroyed every lgbt rights group and jailed and tortured members who opposed him so his lovely niece could run the one group allowed to exist. He can suck one fatter than his cigars. What he does to political opponents is different than what his niece is doing for lgbt rights. He could crack down on stamp collectors that oppose him too, but its for the opposition, not for the stamp collecting.
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Trabisnikof posted:If we economically embargoed any other Caribbean like we did Cuba, then created special immigration law for refugees who float to America from there I bet people would try. Ideology aside. We essentially did the same thing for Haiti but over a longer time period of the West just pissing on them for having the only successful slave rebellion (and slaughtering any remaining French civillians on the island after they won). The French sitting a fleet off the coast and demanding slave reparations to be paid to them took literally over a century for Haiti to pay off. Then we invaded and ran Haiti for a couple decades. Small wonder Haiti is basically the disaster zone of the Western Hemisphere. Papa Doc and Baby Doc didn't do them any favors but still. Party Plane Jones fucked around with this message at 10:20 on Nov 26, 2016 |
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