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Symbolic Butt posted:I can't speak for the rest of south america because I don't know much about the current situation for them. As a brazilian living in Buenos Aires? Yeah, brazilian evangelical churches are a big thing here. There are huge temples springing up even on famous avenues. They seem to be geared toward the poor/immigrant population (people from Paraguay/Peru/Bolivia get poo poo on here a lot). Not much political power yet, and i think the current pope being argentinian also holds them in check a bit.
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Symbolic Butt posted:I can't speak for the rest of south america because I don't know much about the current situation for them. Oh, I get your point, to a degree. "cultural marxism" is just a bizarre concept (particularly considering how repressed Marxist countries were in their culture) and just comes from kids parroting alt right bullshit. Just like there are plenty of things from the left that make me zone off, when I see "cultural marxism" being used in earnest all I hear is 'I'm a poo poo person who is ignorant as hell and loves propaganda!" Edit. I don't mind people discussing race, safe spaces, etc. It's the parroting of idiotic terms that annoys me.
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Dias posted:I feel the GLOBALIZATION of prejudice happening - regardless of language everyone is a libertarian that loves Trump and has a weird fetish/hatred for trans women???? I know, right? It's so loving weird, in the last decade libertarianism was just this stupid internet thing, but then their blogs, youtubers, facebook pages and etc started really exploding in popularity and now mises.org is a touchstone for brazilian young conservatives and we have MBL fucks getting elected into office. And it's always the same loving catchphrases and general attitude, we gotta privatize because the state sucks but our third-world private sector somehow doesn't also suck because job-creators, "hard work", bootstraps yadda yadda On the flip side the anarchist media is really bubbling up right now, this decade of moderate left in power ending in a coup by their "allies" is really turning people off traditional left electoral politics, i guess we'll have to wait and see. Having said that, now i realize why libertarianism might have seemed cool for disaffected youth living under a center-left government. Stick it to the man by wearing a tie and a suit.
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bagual posted:I know, right? It's so loving weird, in the last decade libertarianism was just this stupid internet thing, but then their blogs, youtubers, facebook pages and etc started really exploding in popularity and now mises.org is a touchstone for brazilian young conservatives and we have MBL fucks getting elected into office. And it's always the same loving catchphrases and general attitude, we gotta privatize because the state sucks but our third-world private sector somehow doesn't also suck because job-creators, "hard work", bootstraps yadda yadda I keep repeating myself but like, Brazil really wants to be like its older brother the USA. It just takes a while for their poo poo to trickle down here, although that process became faster after we got widespread access to the Internet. Libertarianism is also a very easy doctrine to adopt when you're young, self-entitled and averse to traditional politics - and the center-left government that represented them during most of your life. You don't even have to change your core beliefs if you grew up in a regular upper middle-class house in Brazil, you just get to add free pot to the mix! To be fair our Libertarians are even bad at being Libertarians, they don't even go for the free pot. They just want to stop paying taxes and stop all those whiny leftist bums' bitching about the gays and blacks and poo poo. gently caress, MBL is just the PMDBist Youth as far as I'm concerned, and EPL isn't much better. Thing is, a lot of our disillusioned youth does share a lot of values with those guys, they just wanna vote for the new faces anyway. --- Ah, you guys might appreciate this. My alma mater elected a libertarian party to its student directory last year, with a lot of finger-pointing towards the usual hard left parties for "not listening to its students and deciding to talk for all of them". I still have a bunch of friends there and they're all dirty commies so we had a cry and a laugh, life moves on. Alright, so the whole PEC thing happens and people occupy buildings, etc, etc. Of course, they're for the PEC - they go as far as to pay for sponsored Facebook posts for a Disoccupy movement, but that's fine if a bit silly. So, they go and say the whole movement is a loud minority as it always is...and give in to a students' assembly vote. 3,000+ people show up, thing's held on the school's football stadium, and by a show of hands there's an OVERWHELMING majority in favor of the occupations. Like, impossible to contest, no counting needed majority. So, you'd think that they would accept the results, listen to the students and echo their opinion. Except not really. They accuse the opposition of "filling the stadium with non-students from syndicates and MST", they say everything should've been done with ID as a regular voting process (which, y'know, I'd take as a valid criticism if they actually TRIED organizing that), that their sympathizers were "intimidated", just overall refuse to recognize the results of the vote...and then yesterday they started a CLASS ACTION SUIT (not a lawyer or versed in international law, so might not be that exactly) against the dean. Like, no vote, no polling, no nothing, just "gently caress you, we're tired of waiting, that poo poo didn't count, everyone wants classes, 48h to explain yourself". It's lovely, really. The icing on the cake, for myself, is that one of the teachers they got to co-sign that poo poo was one of the worst professors I've had in four years of college. Just lazy classes with a bad curriculum, taught by a lovely person that called students names on the internet.
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Plenty of evangelicals here in Chile. I think it's because a big part of the culture of evangelical churches is all about going out and hustling for parishoners.
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Evangelicals in Latin America are fifth column infiltrators from Yankee conservatives. Not even joking, a lot of those churches get their capital from USA missionary groups.
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ZearothK posted:Evangelicals in Latin America are fifth column infiltrators from Yankee conservatives. Not even joking, a lot of those churches get their capital from USA missionary groups. Depends on which ones. The Mormons are definitely US funded.
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I have a cousin who is a born again Christian who was baptized in a church that is based on the US and she moved there to marry a former troop who makes a living telling people how he was saved by Jaysus when his helicopter fell in Iraq and she completely broke contact with my mom for being a PT supporter and me for being a commie AND a buddhist convert.
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Non Serviam posted:Depends on which ones. The Mormons are definitely US funded. Random Trivia: Writer and mormon loon Orson Scott Card did his missionary work in Brazil. Then he used what he learned here to flesh out a portuguese-speaking planet in the sequel(s) to his beloved book Ender's Game. It contains hilariously bad portusqueeze terms, people with disfunctions instead of personalities, weird wandering themes and gloriously unsatisfying resolutions. In summary: Brazil can gently caress up even sci-fi.
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In terms of Brazil loving things up, it seems like congress is going forward with the amnesty for illegal campaign donations. So for those keeping track of it at home, Lula may become ineligible to run for president because he may have received an apartment from a construction company, the same company which may have built a swimming pool at the presidential palace as a favor. Meanwhile, Serra, who reportedly received R$23 million in illegal donations from the same company will be amnestied.
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I'm sure the sound of pots and pans being beaten on the streets by outraged patriots will be deafening in its silence tonight.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-38096179 Colombian peace deal is back. This one definitely ain't going to a referendum. What are the odds a future government tries to go back on Santos's agreement?
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Grouchio posted:Fidel Castro is dead. https://twitter.com/MattMackowiak/status/802380410537803777 Yep. I'd say dying at 90 in bed after several hundred assassination attempts is a victory no matter how you slice it.
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Grouchio posted:Fidel Castro is dead. Too late.
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TheImmigrant posted:Too late. Yea, the rumor had always been that Castro dying would be the moment the US either finally dropped the embargo and normalized relations, or the moment all the wannabe Cuban-government-in-exile militias in Florida decided to "take the island back". Now that the US has started normalizing relations anyways, and now that all the guys who were in those militias are almost as old as Castro, this isn't nearly the earthquake of geopolitics that it would have been even a decade ago. All that said, Miami is gonna be lit as gently caress this weekend.
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Grouchio posted:Fidel Castro is dead. Too bad there isn't a hell for him to suffer in. Miami will be a party this weekend. Vermain posted:https://twitter.com/MattMackowiak/status/802380410537803777 He had the last laugh, no doubt.
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Non Serviam posted:Too bad there isn't a hell for him to suffer in. The funny thing is: it won't make a loving difference.
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Non Serviam posted:He had the last laugh, no doubt. If he'd died two years ago he would have had the last laugh, but he had to watch his brother start the process of unraveling his legacy by normalizing relations with the US. He wasn't optimistic about the future of his revolution.
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Negrostrike posted:The funny thing is: it won't make a loving difference. You're absolutely right. Sinteres posted:If he'd died two years ago he would have had the last laugh, but he had to watch his brother start the process of unraveling his legacy by normalizing relations with the US. He wasn't optimistic about the future of his revolution. Cuba has been a totalitarian shithole since the revolution, and went to hell after the fall of the Soviets. Their political and economical system was unsustainable from the get go. I saw people in Chile are mourning him. The people who criticized Pinochet's 17 year regime are somehow OK with Castro's much longer tyranny (and, of course, vice versa) Redrum and Coke fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Nov 26, 2016 |
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I think this might give trump an excuse to not change anything wrt Cuba policy. Looking forward to his state visit where ~mysteriously~ a Trump tower gets approved for Havana.
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ZearothK posted:It is almost like political ideology is a form of tribalism rather than critical thinking for most people. I agree.
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RIP Comandante. Being outlived by that putrid trash golem Kissinger who will become Trump/Clinton if they do a recount's foreign affairs advisor sucks rear end. Also a bad time to go as well when the Latin Left is on its direst straits since the 60s. Hopefully that doesn't mean Cuba will once again become the US's sugar and casino colony in five years.
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Homework Explainer posted:equating pinochet and castro is a really good way to demonstrate nothing you say should be taken seriously You're right, Pinochet voluntarily surrendered power after 17 years. Castro enslaved his island for over 50. Under Pinochet there were about 2 thousand dead (Rettig Report), while under Castro the number of political executions is anywhere between 4 thousand and 30 thousand. TheLovablePlutonis posted:RIP Comandante. Being outlived by that putrid trash golem Kissinger who will become Trump/Clinton if they do a recount's foreign affairs advisor sucks rear end. Also a bad time to go as well when the Latin Left is on its direst straits since the 60s. Hopefully that doesn't mean Cuba will once again become the US's sugar and casino colony in five years. Any message for the dissidents he tortured and imprisoned? Or for the people he locked in the island? Or the people who couldn't choose their leaders in free elections?
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Non Serviam posted:You're right, Pinochet voluntarily surrendered power after 17 years. Castro enslaved his island for over 50. Under Pinochet there were about 2 thousand dead (Rettig Report), while under Castro the number of political executions is anywhere between 4 thousand and 30 thousand. yeah that level of variance in no way makes your numbers suspect
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Homework Explainer posted:yeah that level of variance in no way makes your numbers suspect There are no reports like the Rettig report in regards to Cuba. I was as transparent as possible by giving you the whole gamut of options, instead of just cherry-picking the highest one.
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Rest In Peace Castro. A hero in every sense of the word.
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Black Baby Goku posted:Rest In Peace Castro. A hero in every sense of the word. An inspiration to us all. Especially to us cuban forums posters. Good night, sweet prince 
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Rest in Hell with Pinochet, you made life worse with your Stalinism.
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Funny how everyone who hates him were the rich bourgeois who fled to keep their wealth LOL.
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Black Baby Goku posted:Funny how everyone who hates him were the rich bourgeois who fled to keep their wealth LOL. If he had at the very least let some amount of opposition even if it was watched to ensure it wasn't agents of the Mob or the CIA. and allowed them to take part in elections I could understand. He never did
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Black Baby Goku posted:Funny how everyone who hates him were the rich bourgeois who fled to keep their wealth LOL. *Comfortably posted from a country that is not under Communist tyranny. TheLovablePlutonis posted:All the people who fled from Castro's tyranny and torturerape bonanza to Miami found out some really great jobs as Republican Senators, cocaine dealers or assassinating Kennedy so this was good on them. Weren't you going to start killing and dying for the "cause"? We're still waiting your updates.
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Crowsbeak posted:If he had at the very least let some amount of opposition even if it was watched to ensure it wasn't agents of the Mob or the CIA. and allowed them to take part in elections I could understand. He never did So what? He improved Cuba, raised life expectancy, their healthcare for their size is amazing.
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Black Baby Goku posted:So what? He improved Cuba, raised life expectancy, their healthcare for their size is amazing. The lack of basic civil rights, the thousands of executions, etc.? Is that just OK? Because you're pretty close to "at least Mussolini had the trains running on time"
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Shut up dumbass. RIP Fidel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoOhnrjdYOc
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Non Serviam posted:Too bad there isn't a hell for him to suffer in. As someone who lives in a country with socialist laws, healthcare for pretty much all and a distinct dislike of a lot of large corporations... gently caress Fidel Castro. Better men than him more or less bloodlessly managed what he did without murdering people who went against him and those countries had democratic elections to boot.
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