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Helsing posted:You know just because an issue is appropriated by right-wingers doesn't instantly mean it has no basis in actual fact, just look at the relationship between fascism and the Great Depression. The conversation I had the other day was with a tenured female professor with a long background in both radical politics, not some aggrieved white male frustrated that his pet concerns were no longer the centre of the universe. I'm sure it is cause for concern, but since "abridge all free speech" is not the ultimate goal of these movements, I think you will see that push deteriorate as their more immediate pushes for cultural shift come to fruition. Think about the group ACT UP in the 80s who wanted HIV/AIDS to become part of the national conversation and even wanted the FDA to fast track experimental drugs based on very specious science at the time. They could have been called proto SJWs and organized extremely disruptive protests in major cities. And guess what, it worked. Now we have cultural conversations about HIV/AIDS because of their hard work and those types of direct actions are not necessary in the same way. Also, with regards to your jazz hands at a union meeting, can you confirm that that was to avoid "triggering" someone? Jazz hands are applause in deaf culture,, so when I hear that I hear an attempt to be more inclusive of others, not less.
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peter banana posted:I'm sure it is cause for concern, but since "abridge all free speech" is not the ultimate goal of these movements, I think you will see that push deteriorate as their more immediate pushes for cultural shift come to fruition. Being disruptive and disdaining calls for politeness or civility can be an extremely powerful weapon when deployed correctly. I agree that there are times when abstract ideals like free speech or civil discourse are weaponized by elites and used to suppress dissent or to disguise serious social problems. That having been said I think some of these attempts to redefine physical danger as something that can be caused just through exposure to contrary or negative ideas is a really terrible development, especially within a university. Obviously we should be sensitive to people with traumatic pasts and should try to make it possible for them to participate, but when you follow that line of thinking too far it completely destroys any basis for free speech. To cite an example of where this can lead us: pro-Israeli forces on university campuses have already gotten really good at framing any criticism of Israel as creating an "unsafe space" for Jewish students. quote:Also, with regards to your jazz hands at a union meeting, can you confirm that that was to avoid "triggering" someone? Jazz hands are applause in deaf culture,, so when I hear that I hear an attempt to be more inclusive of others, not less. The reasoning was explicitly that it would be upsetting for some people, especially since in some cases there was active debate going on and the crowd was cheering for some responses more than others.
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SJWs totally are real but some people (in this thread and elsewhere) greatly overstate how numerous, powerful, and influential they are.
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A man with an explicitly racist and fascist platform was elected to the presidency, but it's important to also keep in mind that there are teenagers posting cutesy, faux-radical nonsense on tumblr, too.
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Great post, vyelkin. Really put to words a lot of random thoughts I've had about this topic.
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Frankly, I've had multiple interactions with the kind of marginal people (like BDSM daddy issue, cocaine snorting, genderqueer philosophers) that the people think they're complaining about with SJWs, and I understand the hate. They can loving suck the air out of the room with utter tactlessness. However, most people have never really met anybody like that, and just think that's what they're getting every time a woman or minority raises their voice. It's insulting to those of us who are being deferential and then some idiot has to be screaming about ironic safe spaces and dissenting white male opinion. On balance, I don't think my political face-to-face interactions have soured at all. If anything, there has been a marked improvement in the kind of in-your-face dominant cultural nonsense that was so popular when I was growing up here. On the other hand, there has been a group of people that have been slotting themselves more and more into the fringes as a point of pride. The dude at the back of your history class that was pissed about unbalanced Israel coverage? He's got a couple dozen friends who are all reading the same "how to destroy a liberal" arguments. Same with the groups like BLMTO, except I happen to agree with them and trust some of the biggest voices.
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Kafka Esq. posted:Frankly, I've had multiple interactions with the kind of marginal people (like BDSM daddy issue, cocaine snorting, genderqueer philosophers) that the people think they're complaining about with SJWs, and I understand the hate. They can loving suck the air out of the room with utter tactlessness. However, most people have never really met anybody like that, and just think that's what they're getting every time a woman or minority raises their voice. It's insulting to those of us who are being deferential and then some idiot has to be screaming about ironic safe spaces and dissenting white male opinion. As much as the first person isn't that common in the real world, how common is the emboldened one. Does that really happen to you when you're trying to be deferential? Nice to see you posting again too.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Is it possible that the Internet has actually caused a shift in the extremity of viewpoints by increasing exposure to the usual hyperbole and gradually normalizing it as a result? The idea that someone you disagree with is simply human garbage that can be safely dismissed and thrown in a dumpster at the nearest convenience seems both very toxic and very intoxicating, this thread and the expressions some people make on SA as a whole strongly reinforce that. This times a million. I wish we could get back to the point where we take a moment to recognize even between the most polarizing posters in this thread, we agree on 95% of how the country should be run when it comes to keep abortion status quo, or providing single payer healthcare, good school, having emergency services, etc etc. Is anyone else just sick of seeing posts about politics on Facebook? Its all either so crazy to one side or another none of it is worth arguing with. I have ten posts a day pop up about how Wynne is a piece of poo poo or how Trudeau is destroying our country because of dem' muslims. Fake news is really starting to spread all over Facebook too, but for that its not just the conservative stuff, you also have crazy exaggerated left-wing or conspiracy theory stuff being shown all the time. This was on a few of my normally level headed and intelligent friends walls in the past few days.  The "fake news" era is defined by how much people want everyone else to feel like they are "helping causes" by retweeting or feel part of the group by disparaging another. And none of them take the 30 seconds to google or snopes and find out almost all the memes spread around are fake. patonthebach fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Nov 26, 2016 |
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Jpegs that are mostly text are pretty triggering, as is anything with a Guy Fawkes mask, but all those things actually happened so I wouldn't file it under Fake News. Fake News is stuff that didn't happen.txt, like "Hillary had an FBI guy killed for leaking her emails" or "George Soros is paying people to riot in the streets" Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Nov 26, 2016 |
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THC posted:Jpegs that are mostly text are pretty triggering, as is anything with a Guy Fawkes mask, but all those things actually happened so I wouldn't file it under Fake News. What ? No.. Police didnt blow up a protestor. No 13 year old (or 11 year old like the early memes) were shot.
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They threw concussion grenades at protesters and fired beanbags and rubber bullets at them. One of the grenades exploded mid-air and mangled some girl's arm which had to be amputated. Many were seriously injured and maimed after being hit in the head by police projectiles.
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THC posted:They threw concussion grenades at protesters and fired beanbags and rubber bullets at them. One of the grenades exploded mid-air and mangled some girl's arm which had to be amputated. Many were seriously injured and maimed after being hit in the head by police projectiles. Not disagreeing with that. The meme says shot a 13 year old girl in the head. That didnt happen. Nor did an adult woman have her arm blown off by the police. edit: For people who haven't got a chance to do some research about what actually was going on there. Police were using tear gas/water cannons in freezing weather. Lots of people did get arrested, there were people injured and needed hospitalization. Some protestors were starting fires and some even were using explosives. A burned propane canister was recovered from the scene, and that is the most likely explanation of the womans serious injuries. Concussion grenades simply dont have the energy needed to blow an arm off like that. And no 11 or 13 year old girl was shot. That was fake news that started on social media and then was reported by far-left and conspiracy websites. This is what I mean by fake news. http://aptn.ca/news/2016/11/23/chey...apl-supporters/ http://www.snopes.com/girl-shot-at-standing-rock/ patonthebach fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Nov 26, 2016 |
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quote:At around 4:30am after the police hit the bridge with water cannons and rubber bullets and pepper spray they lobbed a number of concussion grenades which are not supposed to be thrown at people directly at protesters or protectors as they want to be called. A grenade exploded right as it hit Sophia in the left forearm taking most of the undersurface of her left arm with it. Both her radial and ulnar artery were completely destroyed. Her radius was shattered and a large piece of it is missing. Her medial nerve is missing a large section as well. All of the muscle and soft tissue between her elbow and wrist were blown away. The police did not do this by accident - it was an intentional act of throwing it directly at her. Additionally police were shooting people in face and groin intending to do the most possible damage. She subsequently lost the arm. It was blown apart by the police.
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THC posted:She subsequently lost the arm. It was blown apart by the police. Get better sources then the victims dad.
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THC posted:She subsequently lost the arm. It was blown apart by the police. Just like this guy lost his penis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8eTFSJAIvg luckily he probably wasn't ever gonna use it. also, i made that up, he didn't lose his penis.
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patonthebach posted:Get better sources then the victims dad. CNN put it in a way you might find palatable though: her arm mysteriously was damaged after an "explosion"
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THC posted:Show me the lie. You think its more likely some police decided to take military grade fragmentation grenades (these injuries are not consistent with concussion grenades) and start throwing them at protesters, then that a protester hurt themselves while trying to use an improvised explosive device like a propane tank?
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THC posted:Show me the lie. It's really hard to dig through the bullshit on this matter, but the police say some protestors made small IEDs with camp stove propane tanks. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/24/us/dakota-pipeline-sophia-wilansky.html The ATF is involved, which i would imagine will paint the clearest picture, but i doubt that'll be any time soon.
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Yes? They're the police. They do that a lot. They also lie. It happens here too. A kid was blinded in Montreal at one of the manifs when he was shot in the face with a flashbang. His harmonica playing posed a grave threat to public safety. Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Nov 26, 2016 |
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It's clearly the work of Black Bloc agitators infiltrating the Native protests with IEDs. This is what I read on the police twitter account.
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patonthebach posted:You think its more likely some police decided to take military grade fragmentation grenades (these injuries are not consistent with concussion grenades) and start throwing them at protesters, then that a protester hurt themselves while trying to use an improvised explosive device like a propane tank? Yes. I mean, seriously, yes. We've seen time after time that law enforcement, even up here, will tell baldfaced lies about what force they've used and what they've "found" on protesters. See: G20 reports of weapons* found on protesters** *LARPing toys **LARPers up at Downsview, a dozen kilometers from the protests
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I mean, I guess I can agree that maybe the left sometimes unnecessarily exaggerates stories of police brutality, but the point is the brutality and the corruption, which is real, and its hardly equivalent to Fake News like "Podesta used a pizza-themed code language to order up child sex slaves"
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THC posted:It happens here too. A kid was blinded in Montreal at one of the manifs when he was shot in the face with a flashbang. His harmonica playing posed a grave threat to public safety. Thats terrible. Do you have a source for that? Blinded even if by accident by a use of force would likely result in a investigation or a serious payout for the family of the victim.
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THC posted:I mean, I guess I can agree that maybe the left unnecessarily exaggerates the brutality exacted upon peaceful demonstrators by cops, but the point is the brutality in defense of corporate profits, which is a real thing, and its hardly equivalent to Fake News like "Podesta used a pizza-themed code language to order up child sex slaves" I agree there is a ton of garbage fake news from the right in the US right now. My point was the insane exaggerations for stuff like this from either side dont help. It just makes more regular people believe nothing that is non-partisan. It wasn't a literal war zone at this protest with children being shot in the head and police blowing up the protesters with frag grenades. Thats ridiculous.
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Opinion: Alberta shouldn't copy Quebec's failed government daycare plan Thank you for your insight, CTF.
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Opinion: Alberta shouldn't copy Quebec's failed government daycare plan Yo CBC actually posted a proper debunking of the Fraser Institute's garbage "study" on medical wait-times the other day. I was shocked. Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Nov 26, 2016 |
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THC posted:Yo CBC actually posted a proper debunking of the Fraser Institute's garbage "study" on medical wait-times the other day. I was shocked. CTF.jpeg 
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Coyne in particular has been having a freak out all day. I mean, I get Castro was a bad dude in a lot of ways, but none of these criticisms are made in the context of the revolution, pre-revolutionary Cuba, or the wider political situation in Latin America. Castro was neither monster nor saint; he was a product of his circumstances and, for all the bad he did, he did some good and I have no doubt that he was trying to do right by the Cuban people in whichever ways he saw fit.
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THC posted:https://twitter.com/broderickgreer/status/802189815806656512 When a progressive party promotes social equality before economics, people tend to believe the narrative that "those people" are the root of their problems. If you want to tackle social injustice you have to reduce economic strife otherwise those who oppose progression will become a barrier or worse. Weimar Germany is a good example of this in action.
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Wistful of Dollars posted:I hope Trudeau goes for the atomic-grade trolling and volunteers to be a pallbearer for Fidel. Yes please!!! Maybe it would give all these right-wing cretins a stroke.
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