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https://twitter.com/EricLiptonNYT/status/802855945093206017 I love great new American Ideas™®©
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botany posted:What the gently caress is the alt-left supposed to be, and how is it different from the regular left BLM protestors chanting "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'me like bacon" seems to be what they're bringing up as their actual example of what the Alt-Left is.
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Nov 27, 2016 17:23
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zegermans posted:Left - "I think that the capitalist system can function if we have proper laws that redistribute wealth in a way that people aren't literally dying" There's no such thing as the alt left. And the capitalism the democratic establishment wants cannot by any metric be considered left wing.
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zegermans posted:Left - "I think that the capitalist system can function if we have proper laws that redistribute wealth in a way that people aren't literally dying" Used to date a girl who honestly argued that Mao did nothing wrong and that the government he formed was perfect and a shinning example of communism that fell due to captialist influences. She wasn't even Chinese.
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Nov 27, 2016 17:26
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:https://twitter.com/NickCannon/status/802600217157701633?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Nick Cannon thinks public education is a private corporation?
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Nov 27, 2016 17:32
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Nevvy Z posted:Ok which one of you wrote this comedy dumpster piece. Finally, the Donal Logue news site we've all been waiting fo-oh... oh.
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Nov 27, 2016 17:33
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Nevvy Z posted:Ok which one of you wrote this comedy dumpster piece. I love all the unironic meme usage and telling us to read fake news.
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Nov 27, 2016 17:36
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Covok posted:Used to date a girl who honestly argued that Mao did nothing wrong and that the government he formed was perfect and a shinning example of communism that fell due to captialist influences. She wasn't even Chinese. Had a classmate in a graduate level political theory proseminar once casually ask if the great leap forward was "really that bad," given China's population. It was completely unrelated to whatever we were discussing, he just happened to be pondering it at that moment. He also once vigorously defended Tito's Yugoslavia and Serbia. To an Albanian from Kosovo. loving tankies.
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Nov 27, 2016 17:36
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Covok posted:Used to date a girl who honestly argued that Mao did nothing wrong and that the government he formed was perfect and a shinning example of communism that fell due to captialist influences. She wasn't even Chinese. You dated an LF poster?
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Nov 27, 2016 17:44
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zegermans posted:Left - "I think that the capitalist system can function if we have proper laws that redistribute wealth in a way that people aren't literally dying" This is a strange statement to me. The reason "alternative right" is a dumb phrase and idea is that it's not new or alternative. It's just a polite repackaging of paleoconservative white nationalism and vague isolationism with modern hip phrases like anti-political correctness and a focus on Islam as the boogeyman over black people and Jewish people (while still hating them too). It only makes even the barest sense as "alternative" because neoconservatism and business-oriented neoliberalism have been the order of the day for decades. Marxist-Leninism, which you're basically describing in reductive internet stupidity terms, is only an "alternative left" in relation to mainstream modern progressivism and social democracy.
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Nov 27, 2016 17:46
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Alt Left is definitely " Full Communism Now".
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Nov 27, 2016 17:50
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Nevvy Z posted:Ok which one of you wrote this comedy dumpster piece. "I've gone rogue. If you enjoyed reading this as much as I enjoyed writing it, give a lass a hand by sharing it, liking me up bigly on Facebook, or even maybe chucking a few shekels my way on Patreon." It's Reddit, friend. Reddit wrote this.
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Nov 27, 2016 17:51
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Hollismason posted:Alt Left is definitely " Full Communism Now". I assume you're referring to revolutionary Marxist-Leninism, an actual political ideology, and not an internet meme. Like if you want to argue that Marxist-Leninism is bad or outdated that's fine. I just think that calling it the alt-left is dumb and seeking out an equivocation for equivocation's sake. Tankies, to use the silly Internet name for them, have no meaningful power and are largely a joke in most places. The alt-right just got one of their leaders into a position of power in the White House.
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Nov 27, 2016 17:54
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Lightning Knight posted:This is a strange statement to me. The reason "alternative right" is a dumb phrase and idea is that it's not new or alternative. It's just a polite repackaging of paleoconservative white nationalism and vague isolationism with modern hip phrases like anti-political correctness and a focus on Islam as the boogeyman over black people and Jewish people (while still hating them too). It only makes even the barest sense as "alternative" because neoconservatism and business-oriented neoliberalism have been the order of the day for decades. alt-left is "we've been telling you that third-wayism is a loving scam and now there's egg on your face" like this wasn't even lucy pulling the football, it was using a wall hack and still getting outplayed in counter strike
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Nov 27, 2016 17:55
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Lightning Knight posted:This is a strange statement to me. The reason "alternative right" is a dumb phrase and idea is that it's not new or alternative. It's just a polite repackaging of paleoconservative white nationalism and vague isolationism with modern hip phrases like anti-political correctness and a focus on Islam as the boogeyman over black people and Jewish people (while still hating them too). It only makes even the barest sense as "alternative" because neoconservatism and business-oriented neoliberalism have been the order of the day for decades. Hm yes, something is only alternative when related to something else which is mainstream. Fascinating analysis.
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Phone posted:alt-left is "we've been telling you that third-wayism is a loving scam and now there's egg on your face" Stultus Maximus posted:Hm yes, something is only alternative when related to something else which is mainstream. Fascinating analysis. What I'm arguing is that seeking to call anything "the alt-left" is a dumb equivocation for the sake of it. Whether you're talking about Marxist-Leninism or progresive social democracy, none of them are trying to repackage what they are to be more palatable to a younger audience and take over their party for nefarious ends. The alt-right is a made up polite term for white nationalism. It's respectability politics for the right.
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Nov 27, 2016 17:59
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oh yeah, the alt-left is a made up term. no reason to like waste 500 words on it.
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Phone posted:oh yeah, the alt-left is a made up term. no reason to like waste 500 words on it. All terms are made up
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Nov 27, 2016 18:02
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Lightning Knight posted:What I'm arguing is that seeking to call anything "the alt-left" is a dumb equivocation for the sake of it. Whether you're talking about Marxist-Leninism or progresive social democracy, none of them are trying to repackage what they are to be more palatable to a younger audience and take over their party for nefarious ends. The alt-right is a made up polite term for white nationalism. It's respectability politics for the right. Okay, gotcha. Yes, coming up with "alt-left" to describe the left wing of the progressive component of liberalism (whew!) as a obvious comparison to the blend of nihilists, nazis, and misogynists that makes up the alt-right is dumb.
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Nov 27, 2016 18:07
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Guy Goodbody posted:All terms are made up Language itself is a construct.
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Nov 27, 2016 18:09
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Guy Goodbody posted:All terms are made up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp5QabWeUUw
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Nov 27, 2016 18:14
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Alt-left is just a term to refer to people who listen to Chapo Traphouse, no one on the left will actually use it because it's just a blatant attempt to sugarcoat the alt-right by saying "hey lefties do it too"
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Nov 27, 2016 18:28
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HorseRenoir posted:Alt-left is just a term to refer to people who listen to Chapo Traphouse, no one on the left will actually use it because it's just a blatant attempt to sugarcoat the alt-right by saying "hey lefties do it too" It'll be in thinkpieces on Salon and Slate and used by a ton of lanyard-dicks here within a month.
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Nov 27, 2016 18:32
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Huzanko posted:It'll be in thinkpieces on Salon and Slate and used by a ton of lanyard-dicks here within a month. loving berniebros 
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Nov 27, 2016 18:33
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HorseRenoir posted:Alt-left is just a term to refer to people who listen to Chapo Traphouse, no one on the left will actually use it because it's just a blatant attempt to sugarcoat the alt-right by saying "hey lefties do it too" Are you trying to say that perhaps the truth is in the middle?
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Nov 27, 2016 18:33
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Stop trying to make "alt-left" happen
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Nov 27, 2016 18:35
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Stop trying to make "alt-left" happen
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Nov 27, 2016 18:36
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so i have this cool term to replace "alt-left" with it's called "progressive" --me, 2028 in MegaBunker 16 from the remains of Neo-Canada
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Nov 27, 2016 18:37
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Lightning Knight posted:What I'm arguing is that seeking to call anything "the alt-left" is a dumb equivocation for the sake of it. Whether you're talking about Marxist-Leninism or progresive social democracy, none of them are trying to repackage what they are to be more palatable to a younger audience and take over their party for nefarious ends. The alt-right is a made up polite term for white nationalism. It's respectability politics for the right. I'm going to say this, through this last year of election hell I've disagreed with some of your posts, but when you're on point, you're on point.
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Nov 27, 2016 18:38
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Stop trying to make "alt-left" happen
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Nov 27, 2016 18:40
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What is this new "lanyard" thing? Anyone who's neoliberal must go to secret neoliberal conferences and compete for cooler lanyards? Idgi
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Nov 27, 2016 18:45
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happyhippy posted:Yeah, only have one political party, ban the rest, and secretly kill everyone who dissents. This is highly fallacious reasoning and you don't actually elaborate how it would be unworkable without it being a single party state. What would change in their day to day? Do you know their procedures?
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Nov 27, 2016 18:50
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Gail Wynand posted:What is this new "lanyard" thing? Anyone who's neoliberal must go to secret neoliberal conferences and compete for cooler lanyards? Idgi It's a kind of shorthand for FYGM tech biz liberals who think everything in the country is fine.
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Nov 27, 2016 18:50
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:so i have this cool term to replace "alt-left" with But progressives don't all want Full Communism Now, so they're really neoliberals.
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Nov 27, 2016 18:57
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KomradeX posted:I'm going to say this, through this last year of election hell I've disagreed with some of your posts, but when you're on point, you're on point. I regret to inform you that I'm actually the shittiest poo poo poster who ever poo poo posted.  Also re: that Slate article about Sanders/Warren and white populism is worth reading even if you don't agree with it because it's worth understanding the concerns of people distrustful of populism and iirc it's written by a POC.
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Nov 27, 2016 18:57
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Gail Wynand posted:What is this new "lanyard" thing? Anyone who's neoliberal must go to secret neoliberal conferences and compete for cooler lanyards? Idgi it's you. you're the lanyard-dick.
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Nov 27, 2016 18:57
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foobardog posted:This is the point of D&D, isn't it? A circle jerk of impossibly minded political perverts making each other hard with their twice warmed over takes, seeking that second of feeling in their brain stem when they are technically correct; that moment where their eyes cloud over with dreams of "futa communism now" as they plop words across the screen. Trump, please make my username futa communism now!
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So from this thread, I've gathered that "alt-left" either means a group of people so tiny and meaningless that they aren't worth having a term for or, alternately, like the entire third or so of the Democratic party that's significantly left of center. Seems like a useful term.
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Nov 27, 2016 19:01
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Stop trying to make "alt-left" happen
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FactsAreUseless posted:I tried it on my keyboard and it doesn't even do anything. Seems like an appropriate label then
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