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Nov 27, 2016 21:54
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Stultus Maximus posted:Kissinger is an outright murderer. Okay, yea, fair enough. What about George Soros? Trapezium Dave posted:Bill Leak: Wait, how does Bill Leak link SJWs and Castro?
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Nov 27, 2016 21:57
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Trapezium Dave posted:Bill Leak: The next cartoonist to riff on this deserves to get hit by a bus.
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Nov 27, 2016 22:02
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Trapezium Dave posted:Bill Leak: is this Uncle Ho? I dont think bill leak understood the original cartoon Jonas Albrecht posted:The next cartoonist to riff on this deserves to get hit by a bus. i don't mind cartoonists riffing on this if only they understand the basic concept of two mortal enemies making an alliance, not whatever this is supposed to mean
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Nov 27, 2016 22:07
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Jonas Albrecht posted:The next cartoonist to riff on this deserves to get hit by a bus. Who is the guy on the right? Chavez? The whole point of the original is that it's two supposed enemies making a deal that screws over the people in the middle, but Chavez and Castro were allies, so it's not even a correct reference. Ularg posted:Okay, yea, fair enough. What about George Soros? He's a
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Nov 27, 2016 22:10
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Does Garrison actually disagree with Kissinger's opinions? or does he just hate him because he's a jew?
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Nov 27, 2016 22:13
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Kurtofan posted:is this Uncle Ho? I dont think bill leak understood the original cartoon
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Nov 27, 2016 22:18
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Horrible Lurkbeast posted:Does Garrison actually disagree with Kissinger's opinions? I'm actually surprised he put Kissinger on it given Trump apparently likes him.
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Nov 27, 2016 22:19
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World Famous W posted:"Quality, freshness and flavor"? Radical. Islamic. Terrorism.
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Nov 27, 2016 22:22
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Prism posted:I'm actually surprised he put Kissinger on it given Trump apparently likes him. Yeah but so does Hillary iirc.
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Nov 27, 2016 22:22
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smug n stuff posted:idgi what does this have to do with maus at all a lot of people saw the symbolism between jews as mice and nazis as cats to mean there was some kinda naturalness to it, like 'oh yea of course jews got killed by a superior predator just like nature'. Of course how those people saw that and not also "BY ART SPIEGELMAN THE JEWISH DUDE WHO'S FAMILY WAS IN THAT THING" is beyond me but that tends to be the criticism of it that doesn't boil down to 'goddamn jews and their holo-hoax'
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Nov 27, 2016 22:28
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Horrible Lurkbeast posted:Does Garrison actually disagree with Kissinger's opinions? I doubt it's just that, but yeah it's a pretty big part of it.
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Nov 27, 2016 22:32
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I wonder if it's just a coincidence that they're both Jews. 
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Nov 27, 2016 22:53
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Horrible Lurkbeast posted:Does Garrison actually disagree with Kissinger's opinions? it is completely possible to have a problem with kissinger without it having anything to do with him being a jew for garrison though that'll be the sweet cherry on the cake
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Nov 27, 2016 22:57
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Sir Tonk posted:I wonder if it's just a coincidence that they're both Jews. But they're never upset about Sheldon Adelson...
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Nov 27, 2016 22:59
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Trapezium Dave posted:Ho Chi Minh makes sense. At first glance I thought it was Kofi Annan and wondered when he died. It's definitely Uncle Ho. Look at the facial hair then Google image search him.
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Nov 27, 2016 23:00
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how do you know the cartoon enough to parody it and/or expect your audience to recognize it and not get the joke  it's like a exotic meat salesman made a cartoon using Join, or Die because it's obviously about snake butchery
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Nov 27, 2016 23:08
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Bill Leak literally has brain problems. On top of being loving stupid.
Dr. Killjoy fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Nov 27, 2016 |
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Nov 27, 2016 23:15
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TheBigAristotle posted:I love that half these guys celebrating Castro's death probably loving looove Cuban cigars and happily violated the embargo to get them. My dad got them all the time, and bitched when Obummer lifted the embargo. LashLightning posted:https://twitter.com/Hamartolus/status/802947053122883584 Has this guy just been seething over the idea of Maus for 35 years? Plan Z fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Nov 27, 2016 |
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Nov 27, 2016 23:27
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Tatum Girlparts posted:a lot of people saw the symbolism between jews as mice and nazis as cats to mean there was some kinda naturalness to it, like 'oh yea of course jews got killed by a superior predator just like nature'. The cat/mouse stuff really broke some people's brains. Like, how do they read the scene where the jew-rat characters are hiding and being disgusted by the actual rats in the garbage and not understand the metaphor? One thing I like about Maus is that it explores untypical aspects of the Holocaust. Its a common observation from Holocaust stuff that normal people can be complicit or participatory in genocide, but Maus makes the even more terrifying observation that you can survive the same genocide and still come out the other side not a hater of injustice, but just another, everyday racist grandpa. Its really sad.
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Nov 27, 2016 23:30
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What's the general consensus on Castro, anyway? Some people actually seemed to like him, while many others despised him. Are the depictions of Castro as bloodthirsty dictator overblown or something? (The guy Castro overthrew, Batista, seemed to have been a piece of poo poo, tho)
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Nov 27, 2016 23:39
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Maus is so, so good and we'd all be
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Nov 27, 2016 23:40
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Mister Beeg posted:What's the general consensus on Castro, anyway? Some people actually seemed to like him, while many others despised him. There is no consensus. He was a better dictator than, say, Gaddhafi or Idi Amin but he was still a repressive dictator. Your opinion of him is based on how much you think that his achievements (literacy, health care, etc) outweigh his human rights abuses.
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Nov 27, 2016 23:44
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He's a bogeyman for America due to his staunch anti-American stance. The CIA's many creative ways of trying to kill him reinforced his stance. They'll never mention the good with the bad and instead go full on COMMUNISM BAD when talking about him. Remember, the US doesn't super care about human rights abuses if you're friendly with them or give them what they want. See: Saudi Arabia. He's a lot like Chavez, really. He seemed to give a drat about his people but thought only he knew how to do it right, so authoritarianism away.
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Nov 28, 2016 00:00
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I wonder how many cartoonists were pissed that something important happened during what should be their long-weekend holiday of nothing but pardoned turkey, black friday shopping, Families at Thanksgiving, and Christmas is Still a Thing cartoons. Perhaps not many given how easy it is to poo poo out a simple obit cartoon.
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Nov 28, 2016 00:29
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rum sodomy Rainbow Dash posted:I wonder how many cartoonists were pissed that something important happened during what should be their long-weekend holiday of nothing but pardoned turkey, black friday shopping, Families at Thanksgiving, and Christmas is Still a Thing cartoons. On the other hand, this is one of the few times cartoonists can get away with drawing a real life person going to Hell, so that's something, at least.
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Nov 28, 2016 00:32
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David Rowe is the other  cartoonist I know that has a Castro obit: I think he was happy to have an excuse to draw a bunch of dead presidents.
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Nov 28, 2016 00:37
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Stultus Maximus posted:There is no consensus. He was a better dictator than, say, Gaddhafi or Idi Amin but he was still a repressive dictator. Your opinion of him is based on how much you think that his achievements (literacy, health care, etc) outweigh his human rights abuses. He was undoubtedly bad. I mean, what kind of nightmare regime would you have to be to set up an apparatus for mass surveillance of your citizens, try to subvert other states to force them to adopt your form of government, and keep political prisoners locked up indefinitely without trial in Cuba?
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Nov 28, 2016 00:40
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Soricidus posted:He was undoubtedly bad. I mean, what kind of nightmare regime would you have to be to set up an apparatus for mass surveillance of your citizens, try to subvert other states to force them to adopt your form of government, and keep political prisoners locked up indefinitely without trial in Cuba? At least they don't perform extrajudicial executions of foreign citizens.
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Nov 28, 2016 00:53
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Trapezium Dave posted:Bill Leak: I'm so sick of this recent conservative notion that their form of bigotry and general shittiness to specific groups is nothing compared to regimes that jail and kill the same people. Relativism is nothing new, but it all comes back to what Trump said, that he would protect our LGBT-CUE citizens from the "violence and oppression of a hateful foreign ideology." Like the biggest problem in the average gay American's life is ISIS and not millions of their fellow Americans and their ignorant nonsense.
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Nov 28, 2016 00:57
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Man, I thought his Nixon was LBJ until I saw LBJ. How on earth is Nixon your weakest caricature, I just don't get it
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Nov 28, 2016 00:58
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Voyager I posted:At least they don't perform extrajudicial executions of foreign citizens. swoosh
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Nov 28, 2016 00:59
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Waaaiiit, why is Trump getting the credit for Castro when Obama is still president? Really rustles my jimmies I tell ya.
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Nov 28, 2016 01:05
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Starshark posted:Waaaiiit, why is Trump getting the credit for Castro when Obama is still president? Really rustles my jimmies I tell ya. OBAMA BAD TRUMP GOOD CASTRO DEAD GOOD ERGO TRUMP MAKE CASTRO DEAD
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Nov 28, 2016 01:13
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Starshark posted:Waaaiiit, why is Trump getting the credit for Castro when Obama is still president? Really rustles my jimmies I tell ya. 
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Nov 28, 2016 01:17
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Starshark posted:Waaaiiit, why is Trump getting the credit for Castro when Obama is still president? Really rustles my jimmies I tell ya. What a bad president Obama was. 8 years in office and he didn't manage to get rid of a single enemy of the United States. Bush managed to get rid of Saddam, Gadaffi, and bin Laden, and I'm sure Trump will go on to claim many other scalps beside Castro's. Dems need to up their murder game.
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Nov 28, 2016 01:19
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A Good Meme.
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Nov 28, 2016 01:29
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Shangri-Law School posted:Maus is so, so good and we'd all be not emptyquoting
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Nov 28, 2016 01:35
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Sandpuppy posted:
We got the technology for underwater dome-cities and we've figured out how to farm seaweed and molluscs. gently caress all y'all. We'll be coming back in a few hundred years thanks to continental rebound, but until then, you're on your own.
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Nov 28, 2016 02:02
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endlessmonotony posted:We got the technology for underwater dome-cities and we've figured out how to farm seaweed and molluscs. gently caress all y'all. We'll be coming back in a few hundred years thanks to continental rebound, but until then, you're on your own. And it's also significant that the person suggesting it has both better policies and a warmer, more human personality than the current prime minister. (Latter basically is a politoon, and it's completely incomprehensible if you don't speak Finnish.)
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Nov 28, 2016 02:43
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