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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Yinlock posted:

he actually tried to defend north korea earlier so i don't think you're gonna get much here

you're in the wrong thread m8

here you go: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3797270

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Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008


that is not the thread you tried to defend north korea in

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Yinlock posted:

that is not the thread you tried to defend north korea in

I wasn't defending North Korea, but you're going to take this notion to your grave so I'll content myself with liberal tears.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I wasn't defending North Korea, but you're going to take this notion to your grave so I'll content myself with liberal tears.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Wait till you find out that there are North Korean defectors who go back, because they prefer the DPRK to South Korea.

When people say "North Korea is sustainable" they don't mean that it's great, they mean that they've managed to eke out a working state and economy in spite of all the disadvantages against it. Juche is the reactionary ideology of an embattled garrison state, which has legitimate fears of being invaded at any moment, and is still technically in a state of war with the South. In spite of all that, they can still manage to work out a functional nuclear weapons program as the most isolated country on the planet.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

*bravely salutes North Korea's can-do attitude where its people regularly starve to death while its dictators ride trains filled with food like its a loving cartoon*

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Yinlock was raised to think that "not great" and "reactionary" actually mean the opposite.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Yinlock was raised to think that "not great" and "reactionary" actually mean the opposite.

care to take a stab at this question while i have your attention

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

Of all socialist principals, why is democracy the one socialists are least eager to put into practice? Even after generations of one party control?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Ok. Freedom to form any kind of party you want is idiotic, because it allows for a reactionary coalition to sweep into power and completely undo all of the progress you've made. (current events illustrating the problem quite nicely) There is for instance, no justifiable reason for why a Fascist party should be allowed to exist after the second World War. Fascists do not merely want to control society, but they want to kill or exile everyone who is considered a degenerate or foreign element of the national body. Meaning, they want to kill all the liberals who idiotically argue for their freedom to exercise such a thought. Workplace & military democracy are both far more desirable than any kind of liberal democracy.

I'm willing to grant that if there's going to be any kind of multi-party system, then any kind of party that's not socialist or communist should be illegal.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
lol

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

:discourse:

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Morzhovyye
Mar 2, 2013

tfw you're liberal enough to think that's a gotcha

Deimus
Aug 17, 2012
Well, here's a short page kinda condensing what actually goes on with Cuban democracy if you want.

It's a one party state but there's a lot more involved than you might think.

http://www.cuba-solidarity.org.uk/resources/democracyfactsheet2015.pdf

Deimus fucked around with this message at 11:39 on Nov 28, 2016

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Basically, framing the question in terms of socialists or communists being averse to "democracy" is disingenuous. Socialists & communists love democracy, we just hate liberal democracy.

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

Yinlock posted:

he actually tried to defend north korea earlier so i don't think you're gonna get much here

e: oops that was forums poster pener who is also extremely bad, and not homework explainer

lol

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008


i get my communist worshippers mixed up okay, don't judge me

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


worship is either bourgeois affectation or proletariat escapism, the correct term is "tankie"

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Doc Hawkins posted:

worship is either bourgeois affectation or proletariat escapism, the correct term is "tankie"

i'm sorry

i get my tankies mixed up

Morzhovyye
Mar 2, 2013

lol "communist worshippers" nice

the amount of people here that are convinced that communists are all brainwashed and or delusional is not really surprising when I think about it. when you can just chalk things up to people just being "crazy" then you're free to ignore the actual material conditions that caused it, it's a lot less work that frees up your brain power for more important stuff like posting online about anime and videogames. i'm sure the idea of communism being a zombie kuru virus is much more appealing than the reality where it's the answer to all of the world's problems. hail communism

Morzhovyye
Mar 2, 2013

if anyone needs me i'm going to be elsewhere posting online about anime and videogames

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe

Odobenidae posted:

if anyone needs me i'm going to be elsewhere posting online about anime and videogames

what are some good communist videogames? (seriously asking)

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Odobenidae posted:

i'm sure the idea of communism being a zombie kuru virus is much more appealing than the reality where it's the answer to all of the world's problems. hail communism

i don't know, why would anyone call someone who calls something the answer to all the world's problems a "worshipper"

would "blind adherent" work better

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

for the record my Real Opinions are that communism has a lot of good ideas but full communism is pretty dumb

Morzhovyye
Mar 2, 2013

Baloogan posted:

what are some good communist videogames? (seriously asking)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6eKmTPdHn4

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008


jesus let the man smoke in peace

Morzhovyye
Mar 2, 2013

Yinlock posted:

i don't know, why would anyone call someone who calls something the answer to all the world's problems a "worshipper"

would "blind adherent" work better

sorry about that the communist brain virus infected me halfway through writing that post. thankfully inbetween then and now i've cured myself by staring into a mirror and saying "that was a joke" three times, you should try it if not only to protect yourself for the near future

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Odobenidae posted:

sorry about that the communist kuru brain virus infected me halfway through writing that post. thankfully inbetween then and now i've cured myself by staring into a mirror and saying "that was a joke" three times, you should try it if not only to protect yourself for the near future

i'm glad this thread has a page dedicated solely to owning me really hard

Morzhovyye
Mar 2, 2013

nobody will be owned under full communism, comrade

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Odobenidae posted:

nobody will be owned under full communism, comrade

then what do you call the brutal ownings i have suffered in this, the communism thread

Morzhovyye
Mar 2, 2013

this thread is a dictatorship of the posting proletariat

KiteAuraan
Aug 5, 2014

JER GEDDA FERDA RADDA ARA!


Baloogan posted:

what are some good communist videogames? (seriously asking)

red alert, red alert 2, the eastern front maps in battlefield 1942, anno 2070.

Dick Milhous Rock!
Aug 9, 1974

:nixon::nixon::nixon::nixon::nixon::nixon::nixon::nixon:

:nixon::nixon::nixon::nixon::nixon::nixon::nixon::nixon:

Odobenidae posted:

nobody will be owned under full communism, comrade

deadgoon
Dec 4, 2014

by FactsAreUseless
what do you folks think of repeating lenin which was the thing which convinced me that communism still had relevance as something more than a dead gay comedy ideology? do you hate zizek? is he dumb and bad? perhaps a cocaine-addled crytpofascist CIA asset?

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Baloogan posted:

what are some good communist videogames? (seriously asking)

metro 2033 series is good. it takes place underground so you'd probably be familiar with that

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
zizek is a mushmouth moron

asdf32
May 15, 2010

I lust for childrens' deaths. Ask me about how I don't care if my kids die.

Odobenidae posted:

lol "communist worshippers" nice

the amount of people here that are convinced that communists are all brainwashed and or delusional is not really surprising when I think about it. when you can just chalk things up to people just being "crazy" then you're free to ignore the actual material conditions that caused it, it's a lot less work that frees up your brain power for more important stuff like posting online about anime and videogames. i'm sure the idea of communism being a zombie kuru virus is much more appealing than the reality where it's the answer to all of the world's problems. hail communism

You are brainwashed and delusional and Lol if you think it isn't chance that you're Marxists instead of climate denying libertarians who spouts nearly identical anti-liberal anti-the system junk for literally the same reasons (that half of you probably were libertarians is a great clue).

deadgoon
Dec 4, 2014

by FactsAreUseless
global capitalism causes global warming and the resurgence of anti-globalist nationalism: this sounds like a job for more global capitalism!!!

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
what we need now in this unfettered capitalist state is more unfettered capitalism!!! double down bitches!!!!

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


deadgoon posted:

global capitalism causes global warming and the resurgence of anti-globalist nationalism: this sounds like a job for more global capitalism!!!

but what if me and my friends only buy anti-warming and anti-nationalist products

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Fiction
Apr 28, 2011

Yinlock posted:

for the record my Real Opinions are that communism has a lot of good ideas but full communism is pretty dumb

Calling countries communist is kind of cold war propaganda because no country that has had even mild success with socialism has claimed to have achieved communism.

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