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Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
is julian castro still in ecaudor

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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Squalid posted:

Why is every thread in this forum so loving inane

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

you're a d&d poster

MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

ITT people have argued that Cuba is worth defending because of its revolutionary literacy programs, socialized healthcare, education system, food security, labor rights, emergency response system, and so on. All of which are accomplishments which exceed conditions in the United States, which is why the comparisons are being made.

I would think that we could all agree that not being able to open an LGBT organization or other minority rights organization without being arrested is A Bad Thing but that seems to be a controversial statement here.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 21 days!)

MaxxBot posted:

I would think that we could all agree that not being able to open an LGBT organization or other minority rights organization without being arrested is A Bad Thing but that seems to be a controversial statement here.

Wanna recheck your phrasing here?

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

Fidel's treatment of lgbt groups in the 1960s was reprehensible and i demand he apologize

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

he may have murdered lots of people for dumb reasons but he said he was sorry so

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

The US backs far more loathsome regimes like Saudi Arabia but somehow we are supposed to see Cuba as a enemy nation.

deadgoon
Dec 4, 2014

by FactsAreUseless
im glad castro lead a revolution against imperialism which has not caved in the face of the threat of nuclear war or the full economic&political power of the USA being brought to bear against it, that's pretty cool!!!

but his government sure might maybe have have had to do some otherwise undesirable stuff to accomplish that idk

not like us here in FREEDOM AMERICALAND whose prosperity certainly was not built on the back of slavery&genocide and which does not maintain itself by exploiting the poor domestic and abroad

geopolitics is hard

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

deadgoon posted:

im glad castro lead a revolution against imperialism which has not caved in the face of the threat of nuclear war or the full economic&political power of the USA being brought to bear against it, that's pretty cool!!!

but his government sure might maybe have have had to do some otherwise undesirable stuff to accomplish that idk

not like us here in FREEDOM AMERICALAND whose prosperity certainly was not built on the back of slavery&genocide and which does not maintain itself by exploiting the poor domestic and abroad

geopolitics is hard

pener posting from an alt account still does not make the "america bad" deflection any more effective

Michael Bayleaf
Jun 4, 2006

Tortured By Flan
everything bad

is pepsi ok
Oct 23, 2002

yaknow i'm starting to think that sorting countries and leaders into Good and Bad isn't a very useful way to understand the world cause as it turns out they're all bad.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Stale Saltines posted:

yaknow i'm starting to think that sorting countries and leaders into Good and Bad isn't a very useful way to understand the world cause as it turns out they're all bad.

if we can't assign binary definitions to everything then how can we determine who is Most Right On The Internet

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 21 days!)

Yinlock posted:

pener posting from an alt account still does not make the "america bad" deflection any more effective

You should take a break before you start seeing me posting everywhere.

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

Fidel Cuckstro posted:

I agree with Peter, as do many others.

I haven't studied Cuba enough to form a worthwhile opinion, but much of the liberal posting in this thread is just reflexive dismissal and doesn't really carry weight.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

You should take a break before you start seeing me posting everywhere.

i'm seein double...269 peters!!!!!

deadgoon
Dec 4, 2014

by FactsAreUseless

Yinlock posted:

pener posting from an alt account still does not make the "america bad" deflection any more effective

i am not a pener, i am a free man!

i don't think i'm much of a tankie, i do not read nearly as much as them and am not invested in fronting for actually existing socialism, i just think that a society which depends on the existence of a brutally exploited working class and a destitute underclass is immoral, that the ideologies which such a society generates to rationalize and reproduce itself are dumb and bad, and that building a better world is a moral imperative even if it hurts

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

Peel posted:

I haven't studied Cuba enough to form a worthwhile opinion, but much of the liberal posting in this thread is just reflexive dismissal and doesn't really carry weight.

yea that sounds about right

reflexive dismissal is funny imo

when it comes to carrying weight i certainly hope that one or two posts here changes the world that we live in as we know it, in fundamental and radical ways that haven't been brought up.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

liberals *spit*

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Yinlock posted:

liberals *spit*

pee-yew (holds nose really hard)

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We
liberalism is like, good

but Marxism is like, bad

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
As the Nobel laureate Bob Dylan said about the great late FIdel:

"Well, I couldn’t leave
Unless the old man chased me out
’Cause I’d already promised
That I’d milk his cows
I had to say something
To strike him very weird
So I yelled out
“I like Fidel Castro and his beard”
Rita looked offended
But she got out of the way
As he came charging down the stairs
Sayin’, “What’s that I heard you say?”"

I think we can all relate.

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!
things i like about fidel castro

his beard

his funny hat


things i dont like about fidel castro

everything else, especially his taste in cigars

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 21 days!)

Take a trip through the Wayback Machine to 1994, when Cigar Aficionado published an interview with Fidel.
http://www.cigaraficionado.com/webfeatures/show/id/A-Conversation-With-Fidel-6005

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Yinlock posted:

he may have murdered lots of people for dumb reasons but he said he was sorry so

considering the people executed by Cuba were overwhelmingly Batista loyalists and anti-castro insurgents, not sure the reasons were dumb. The idea that the cuban government continued to randomly execute dissidents is not true.

quote:

According to Amnesty International, death sentences from 1959–87 numbered 237 of which all but 21 were actually carried out. The Cuban Government justified such measures on the grounds that the application of the death penalty in Cuba against war criminals and others followed the same procedure as that seen in the trials by the Allies in the Nuremberg trials. Some Cuban scholars maintain that had the government not applied severe legislation against the torturers, terrorists, and other criminals employed by the Batista regime, the people themselves would have taken justice into their own hands.

...

The vast majority of those executed following the 1959 revolution were policemen, politicians and informers of the Batista regime accused of crimes such as torture and murder, and their public trials and executions had widespread popular support among the Cuban population. Scholars generally agree that those executed were probably guilty as accused, but that the trials did not follow due process.

for comparison sake, the united states has executed 1440 people since 1976

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Sheng-ji Yang posted:

considering the people executed by Cuba were overwhelmingly Batista loyalists and anti-castro insurgents, not sure the reasons were dumb. The idea that the cuban government continued to randomly execute dissidents is not true.

don't go bringing facts in here, this is the john birch family fun times hour

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
I think Castro did some good stuff, and some bad stuff. It would be cool if we could be besties with cuba instead of enemies. thats my hot take

Morzhovyye
Mar 2, 2013

There's a new Cuban restaurant in town that I want to check out but I'm allergic to latex, what should I get there if I can't order their pizza?

Squalid
Nov 4, 2008

Homework Explainer posted:

you're a d&d poster

not me homie. LF for life. See you on the no

Somebody has issued a correction as of 07:09 on Nov 28, 2016

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Sheng-ji Yang posted:

considering the people executed by Cuba were overwhelmingly Batista loyalists and anti-castro insurgents, not sure the reasons were dumb. The idea that the cuban government continued to randomly execute dissidents is not true.


for comparison sake, the united states has executed 1440 people since 1976

Scholars generally agree that those executed were probably guilty as accused

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

i mean i guess they were guilty, whatever

Nanomashoes
Aug 18, 2012

Do you have evidence otherwise that you wish to share?

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
donald trump will make cuba a massive offshore penal colony to solve the refugee and muslim problem

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Nanomashoes posted:

Do you have evidence otherwise that you wish to share?

why would i need to when they've already been declared guilty by people's champion fidel castro

Nanomashoes
Aug 18, 2012

Yinlock posted:

why would i need to when they've already been declared guilty by people's champion fidel castro

Yinlock posted:

Scholars generally agree that those executed were probably guilty as accused

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008


but that the trials did not follow due process

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

i'm just saying that a dictator killing his political enemies without due process is somewhat sketchy

Squalid
Nov 4, 2008

Sheng-ji Yang posted:

the editor of the new republic quoting lf superstar getfiscal is pretty funny

What's funnier is that decadent dilitante and lf shitposting king Deadken now gets published in Slate, the Atlantic, and the New York Times Magazine, and that you can still find them posting together on the dead gay off-site censored out of my last post with prominent UN refugee activist discipline.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
https://twitter.com/GarlicCorgi/status/802631639977312257

Morzhovyye
Mar 2, 2013

Squalid posted:

What's funnier is that decadent dilitante and lf shitposting king Deadken now gets published in Slate, the Atlantic, and the New York Times Magazine, and that you can still find them posting together on the dead gay off-site censored out of my last post with prominent UN refugee activist discipline.

lol they really did edit it out of your post. something about that clearly struck a nerve. we are breaking the conditioning.

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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

theres this fb post that's been making the rounds and its unintentionally the most hilarious poo poo ever

quote:

All the land my family owned was taken from us. My mother still remembers the day government officials knocked on her door and said all the farmland my great-grandfather had amassed now belonged to El Comandante.

He ordered the return of a six-year-old child whose mother died trying to get her baby boy to the United States so he could be free. That child is now a man and a puppet for the regime.

He put people in prison just for being gay. If they even thought you might be gay, you were going to prison.

My grandfather was put in prison for owning a pig.

to put the cherry on top, this is the person who wrote it

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