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Nonsense posted:Thought his shirt said SexDrugs & Donald Trump I would buy a shirt with that.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I really wish I'd thought of that. gently caress, me too.
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:Chocodile Dundee you have poo poo cookie views, but solid jokes. people are complex
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Nothing like chasing my favorite sandwich, the hotdog, with some lemon bar cookies.
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This issue is really separating the true liberals from the status quo centrists
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:I'm writing my candidate statement for the California democratic party's assembly district delegate position election and I'm wondering if I should explicitly quote Marx or just paraphrase/imply Paraphrase/imply, they are not ready for you to reveal your true power level
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Ace of Baes posted:Nothing like chasing my favorite sandwich, the hotdog, with some lemon bar cookies. 
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bump_fn posted:heres a good article about how silicon valleys globalization and technology push is loving a lot of people  http://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-universal-basic-income-2016-11
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mugrim posted:Yeah, driving in some capacity is literally the most common job in most states. It's not just the 2m long haul truckers, I remember seeing an estimate closer to 9m jobs lost for all professions where driving is over 80% of the workload. Self-driving vehicles can be used to make those jobs fuckin' great, they drive when they want and oversee a computer when they don't feel like it. They can sleep on the job cause they're a manager of a computer. They can pull in to eat, take dessert to go, and eat that pie while reading a book in bed cause the computer is fuckin' driving. Or they can wipe out massive amounts of jobs. We gotta steer this progress. Mandate that people are in those self-driving trucks so we get a utopia instead of a dystopia.
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Grondoth posted:Self-driving vehicles can be used to make those jobs fuckin' great, they drive when they want and oversee a computer when they don't feel like it. They can sleep on the job cause they're a manager of a computer. They can pull in to eat, take dessert to go, and eat that pie while reading a book in bed cause the computer is fuckin' driving. What you are describing is antithetical to capitalism.
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Asked whether the national party has chipped in, [Louisiana Democratic Senate candidate] Campbell says, “Not really.”
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Joementum posted:Asked whether the national party has chipped in, [Louisiana Democratic Senate candidate] Campbell says, “Not really.” gee. i wonder where all that money went.
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Joementum posted:Asked whether the national party has chipped in, [Louisiana Democratic Senate candidate] Campbell says, “Not really.” well I'm sure Hillary gave the campaign plenty of cash before the election since she just loved those down ballot races that Bernie ignored gonna lol so hard if our revolution dumps some money into this race
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The only way a society whose labor needs are met entirely by automation can continue to feed and clothe its citizens is in fact with a universal basic income. We're not at that phase yet, but it's in sight over the horizon.
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Grondoth posted:Or they can wipe out massive amounts of jobs. We gotta steer this progress. Mandate that people are in those self-driving trucks so we get a utopia instead of a dystopia. A minimum income would unironically be easier to get than a mandate to have people in those cars. This is a 'when' problem, not an 'if' problem. They'll probably have people in them for a very brief period of time if at all and then it'll be shut off full stop. They'll even argue it from an environmental standard that the extra weight of both a person as well as the safety devices required for having a person in the car will only reduce fuel economy and increase carbon emissions.
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loquacius posted:The only way a society whose labor needs are met entirely by automation can continue to feed and clothe its citizens is in fact with a universal basic income. We're not at that phase yet, but it's in sight over the horizon. Alternatively: the global capitalist elite just dispenses with the rest of us.
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anime was right posted:gee. i wonder where all that money went. Listen, Lena Dunham needs her entourage to tour the nation as a surrogate and that poo poo ain't cheap. How else do you intend on HRC connecting to and reaching out to the midwest?!
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mugrim posted:A minimum income would unironically be easier to get than a mandate to have people in those cars. This is a 'when' problem, not an 'if' problem. They'll probably have people in them for a very brief period of time if at all and then it'll be shut off full stop. They'll even argue it from an environmental standard that the extra weight of both a person as well as the safety devices required for having a person in the car will only reduce fuel economy and increase carbon emissions. I totally agree that GMI is a much better goal, but I think a "people have to be in these trucks" is a good stop-gap that would be an easier sell.
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Serf posted:Alternatively: the global capitalist elite just dispenses with the rest of us.
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Grondoth posted:I totally agree that GMI is a much better goal, but I think a "people have to be in these trucks" is a good stop-gap that would be an easier sell. "But why should we have to pay them the same as we did union truckers previously? I mean it's not like they're actually driving or anything."
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Serf posted:Alternatively: the global capitalist elite just dispenses with the rest of us. *Looks at disposition of US congress* This is definitely a body that can legislate greater than bare subsistence-level mincome. A future Judge Dredd-esque permanent underclass definitely isn't in the cards.
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wouldn't requiring drivers in self driving trucks defeat the purpose or is that the joke
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Grondoth posted:I totally agree that GMI is a much better goal, but I think a "people have to be in these trucks" is a good stop-gap that would be an easier sell. There's literally just too much money in it to win. It's not a 'stop gap' because all it does for the companies is increase their costs above what they already are. "People being in those trucks" is the expensive part. There's no mid ground there. That stop gap would not last long at all. We're talking about the ability to eliminate over half the costs while increasing the profit on one of the largest sectors in the world. It'll be a totally worthwhile investment to through tens of billions of dollars buying out air time, politicians, etc. If anything, they'll try and outlaw it or add a person being there AFTER the fact as many jobless people get pissed off and start voting accordingly. mugrim has issued a correction as of 19:46 on Nov 28, 2016 |
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bump_fn posted:heres a good article about how silicon valleys globalization and technology push is loving a lot of people Automation is the rope capitalism will hang itself with.
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Joementum posted:Asked whether the national party has chipped in, [Louisiana Democratic Senate candidate] Campbell says, “Not really.” But the victory fund allows so much money to be raised for downticket races! Also I get being mad about Trump but people need to be more upset that the number of democratic governors and statehouses is steadily dwindling as well. This has huge day to day impacts in people's lives as they do poo poo like destroy public bargaining rights and decimate education.
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bernie beating trump to the punch with an interesting bill http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/11/27/bernie-sanders-entirely-ludicrous-outsourcing-prevention-act/#33a413df6dcc quote:The Outsourcing Prevention Act would “impose a tax on all companies that outsource jobs.” The proposed tax would be equal to “the amount of savings achieved by outsourcing jobs or 35 percent of its profits, whichever is higher.”
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OhFunny posted:Automation is the rope capitalism will hang itself with. You're assuming they don't hang the rest of us instead.
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Ted_Haggard posted:You're assuming they don't hang the rest of us instead. This is what will happen.
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Thoguh posted:But the victory fund allows so much money to be raised for downticket races! yeah im mad about more left leaning people not voting for hillary while fully knowing the consequences of total republican control too but getting mad about how the election went isnt going to do poo poo at this point
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Karl Barks posted:bernie beating trump to the punch with an interesting bill poo poo like this is great because daring Trump to follow through on stuff is about a million times more likely to be effective than any other approach.
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Joementum posted:Asked whether the national party has chipped in, [Louisiana Democratic Senate candidate] Campbell says, “Not really.” I thought we were against throwing money into unwinnable races in red states.
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Grondoth posted:I totally agree that GMI is a much better goal, but I think a "people have to be in these trucks" is a good stop-gap that would be an easier sell. Means testing is not great, so I still think BI will win out over GMI. But I honestly don't see how we don't do one of them eventually if things keep going the way they are...
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zegermans posted:I thought we were against throwing money into unwinnable races in red states. This thread has consistently been in favour of the democrats spending far more time and effort and money in red states, so I don't know where you got that idea.
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Serf posted:Alternatively: the global capitalist elite just dispenses with the rest of us. This end them though cause genetic diversity is now gone and population levels are low enough a recovery is close to impossible.
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GlyphGryph posted:This thread has consistently been in favour of the democrats spending far more time and effort and money in red states, so I don't know where you got that idea. I'm pretty sure we spent like 10 pages mocking the lack of resources in WI and MI vs. AZ, GA, and TX.
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Al! posted:yeah im mad about more left leaning people not voting for hillary while fully knowing the consequences of total republican control too but getting mad about how the election went isnt going to do poo poo at this point It will absolutely "Do poo poo". If this election isn't hung around HRCs neck, then we'll risk her running again in 2020. If this sounds like a joke to you, understand the idea of her running in 2016 was considered a loving joke too (in 2008 "She lost to a black dude with a muslim name despite having more name recogntions, more money, and more institutional support, how the gently caress could she win a general"), and several higher ups in the DNC wanted her to run in 20 loving 12. People need to be outraged and make her own the fact she's a lovely politician who doesn't know what she's doing, and she gave the keys to the kingdom to Donald Trump. It's hyper important to keep the blame on her.
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zegermans posted:I thought we were against throwing money into unwinnable races in red states. 1.3 billion is frankly enough to toss some dough everywhere
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A lot of red states are only red because the democrats don't do poo poo in them, either due to incompetence and/or lack of funding from the national level Which causes them to get swept during the election. Which causes people to write them off as red states, and then not put any effort or funds into state and local parties Which causes them to get swept during the next election and it goes on and on and on Agean90 has issued a correction as of 20:04 on Nov 28, 2016 |
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mugrim posted:If this election isn't hung around HRCs neck, then we'll risk her running again in 2020. If this sounds like a joke to you, understand the idea of her running in 2016 was considered a loving joke too, and several higher ups in the DNC wanted her to run in 20 loving 12. Man I don't know. I think she was super garbo as a candidate but I don't think they could possibly be stupid enough to support her in 2020 after this fiasco. Losing a primary is one thing. Losing an election to Donald loving Trump is another entirely.
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