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What's worse, guns or Muslims? Let's discuss. Alternatively, you could talk about Trump and his campaign of disinformation. Either sounds good, goons.
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Brainiac Five posted:In the sense that your politics are mostly distinguishable from G. K. Chesterton's by virtue of you being only semiliterate, actually. I wish I had his talent.
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Nov 28, 2016 23:24
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2012/topic-pages/victims/victims_final That's just hate crimes. Don't quote me on this, but I think Muslims can commit regular crimes too.
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Nov 28, 2016 23:24
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the first number is the orlando night club shooting fyi
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Nov 28, 2016 23:30
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DoctorWhat posted:Jesus loving christ, you're dense. The GOP deliberately hamstrung the government in order to undermine Obama's presidency. Too bad the President of the United States of America doesn't have access to intelligence agencies that can use dirty tricks to undermine people that are actively hurting the nation...
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Nov 28, 2016 23:30
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Guy Goodbody posted:That's just hate crimes. Don't quote me on this, but I think Muslims can commit regular crimes too. Being Muslim is not an indicator for your disposition towards committing crimes. Socioeconomic class and possible radicalization would be much better indicators and even then statistically Muslim people don't commit any more crimes per capita than white people. Gun ownership is a self-selecting group and has few safety or training requirements because most such things would be unconstitutional. Furthermore being a pre-existing gun owner isn't a requirement because it's trivial to go obtain a firearm in short order to commit a specific crime. As it turns out, there's a small statistical chance that "being a particular ethnic-religious group" will lead to violence, but there's a much higher chance that gun ownership might, because firearms are weapons designed to kill people.
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Lightning Knight posted:Being Muslim is not an indicator for your disposition towards committing crimes. Socioeconomic class and possible radicalization would be much better indicators and even then statistically Muslim people don't commit any more crimes per capita than white people. I don't know about all that, I'm just saying "how many people did Muslims kill in America last year" is an unanswerable question, because nobody accurately gathers or records that information.
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Nov 28, 2016 23:31
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Guy Goodbody posted:I don't know about all that, I'm just saying "how many people did Muslims kill in America last year" is an unanswerable question, because nobody accurately gathers or records that information. I doubt it's an unanswerable question. It's just a question that is presently difficult to answer Also I will note that "radicalization" is not a thing that only happens to Muslims. See: Roof, Dylan.
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Nov 28, 2016 23:33
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John_A_Tallon posted:Too bad the President of the United States of America doesn't have access to intelligence agencies that can use dirty tricks to undermine people that are actively hurting the nation... Obama should have directed the CIA to undermine elected US representatives like a dictator?
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Nov 28, 2016 23:34
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Why the gently caress do these lone wolf pieces of poo poo keep thinking of doing their loving crimes and ruining the lives of millions of American muslims seriously gently caress these stupid assholes.
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Nov 28, 2016 23:35
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Al-Saqr posted:Why the gently caress do these lone wolf pieces of poo poo keep thinking of doing their loving crimes and ruining the lives of millions of American muslims seriously gently caress these stupid assholes. Also the murders. If anything, I get mad at those dudes for killing people first.
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Nov 28, 2016 23:36
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Stereotype posted:Obama should have directed the CIA to undermine elected US representatives like a dictator? When they go low we go high, we lose control of every branch of government, let the GOP rewrite the Constitution, and doom POC and GSMs to second class citizenship; but hey we never used dirty tricks.
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Nov 28, 2016 23:37
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Stereotype posted:Obama should have directed the CIA to undermine elected US representatives like a dictator? I mean this is a thread where we're entertaining the accelerationist "Obama wasn't sufficiently socialist for my liking so I voted Trump because he's going to fix it because he obviously doesn't have ties to rich bankers" argument as a serious thing to be taken seriously. Like, wait. Wait a minute. The guy who said we should've taken Iraq's oil to pay for the war and who is already appointing bank CEOs and Bush era neocons to power is going to dismantle the military industrial complex? Jesus loving Christ people are abysmally stupid.
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Nov 28, 2016 23:38
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Another radical Islamist trying to kill people, another day of people going "but, but... but!"
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Nov 28, 2016 23:38
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Black Baby Goku posted:Another radical Islamist trying to kill people, another day of people going "but, but... but!" Mass shooters are overwhelmingly white men. Ergo white men shouldn't be allowed to have guns. QED. Oh but the Muslims are different because 9/11 happened right? Thus all Muslims are evil terrorists forever. Go gently caress yourself.
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Nov 28, 2016 23:40
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Guy Goodbody posted:I don't know about all that, I'm just saying "how many people did Muslims kill in America last year" is an unanswerable question, because nobody accurately gathers or records that information. I think what you're looking for are acts of terrorism and hate crimes- not petty crimes. I don't know. Something just tells me you don't care how many Muslims kill other Muslims, or any other ethnicity killing them. fake edit: god I love my country sometimes
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Nov 28, 2016 23:41
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Stereotype posted:Obama should have directed the CIA to undermine elected US representatives like a dictator? Are you saying it's impossible for elected representatives to be enemies of the nation?
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Nov 28, 2016 23:41
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Black Baby Goku posted:Another radical Islamist trying to kill people, another day of people going "but, but... but!" Also good to see so many realizing extremism in the defense of democracy is a virtue. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Nov 28, 2016 |
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Nov 28, 2016 23:42
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Lightning Knight posted:Mass shooters are overwhelmingly white men. Ergo white men shouldn't be allowed to have guns. QED. There's more white men.
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Nov 28, 2016 23:42
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:I think what you're looking for are acts of terrorism and hate crimes- not petty crimes. I don't know anything about that, I was just saying that's a question we can't answer. I don't think it is possible to answer. You'd have to ascertain the religion of every person who did a murder in the entire US during the time period you're talking about. I don't think that's possible
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Nov 28, 2016 23:43
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Mass shootings seem a lot less awful when you just mentally relabel them "exercises in the constitutional right to bear arms without legal justification"
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Nov 28, 2016 23:45
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NewForumSoftware posted:lol he signed the patriot act and has used expanded presidential powers to wage war all across the globe while domestically pretending to "compromise" while playing for the banks and insurance companies Both of those things can be true! Obama is, and was, a typical neoliberal imperialist Democrat, AND the GOP was, and is, relentlessly and pathologically unwilling to even consider him anyway!
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Nov 28, 2016 23:47
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Black Baby Goku posted:There's more white men. That doesn't explain why we rarely if ever get mass shooters that aren't white straight men. If that were the reason they would be a plurality, not almost the totality. It's almost like a statistical handful of Muslims are committing acts of political violence in reaction to things our government does, which says nothing about the broader Muslim population. This group didn't even use guns, if the reports are accurate.
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Nov 28, 2016 23:49
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Lightning Knight posted:Mass shooters are overwhelmingly white men. Ergo white men shouldn't be allowed to have guns. QED.
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Nov 28, 2016 23:49
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Lightning Knight posted:That doesn't explain why we rarely if ever get mass shooters that aren't white straight men. If that were the reason they would be a plurality, not almost the totality. an attack is an attack. There's been quite a few in this country recently. I love how easily you try to sweep it under the rug however.
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Nov 28, 2016 23:51
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NathanScottPhillips posted:Wow you got some numbers to back that up? It's been true for decades and is true now in the US that the majority of mass shootings happen in urban centers and are perpetrated by black men against other black men. Hahaha oh boy are we going to get black on black crime out of you now too? Black Baby Goku posted:an attack is an attack. There's been quite a few in this country recently. I love how easily you try to sweep it under the rug however. I love how quick you are to decide to make it about Muslims being evil radicals. The problem, like so many of America's problems, is self-inflicted. If we'd leave the Middle East alone we'd get less young people radicalizing.
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Nov 28, 2016 23:54
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Lightning Knight posted:Hahaha oh boy are we going to get black on black crime out of you now too? 
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Nov 28, 2016 23:56
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Lightning Knight posted:I love how quick you are to decide to make it about Muslims being evil radicals. The problem, like so many of America's problems, is self-inflicted. If we'd leave the Middle East alone we'd get less young people radicalizing. We already know why the Somali dude did the stabbings?
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Nov 28, 2016 23:57
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Lightning Knight posted:Hahaha oh boy are we going to get black on black crime out of you now too?
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Nov 28, 2016 23:57
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Abandoning Wahabi Arabia is a great idea.
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Nov 28, 2016 23:57
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Guy Goodbody posted:We already know why the Somali dude did the stabbings? I was speaking to the general issue, but considering we announced we're going to war in Somalia today and have in the past, probably.
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Nov 28, 2016 23:58
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Man, that's a really good argument debunking LK, I don't know how anyone can counter that! Here's my attempt, 
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Nov 28, 2016 23:57
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NathanScottPhillips posted:What are you talking about? You literally just said that the overwhelming majority of mass shootings are perpetrated by white men, which is completely and utterly false and when challeneged you change to ad-hominem attacks? Are you denying that violence and turmoil in the black community is one of the leading problems in America today? He has no interest in actual debate because he already made the insane White Male argument lol.
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Nov 28, 2016 23:59
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Everyone who responds to Muslim terror attacks with "But but but white males!" Needs to look in the mirror and realize this is why republicans control this country now.
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Nov 29, 2016 00:00
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The loving brain-drain and corresponding resurgeance in blatant islamophobia, homophobia, "race realism", and other bigotry in USPOL following the election is heart-rending.
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Nov 29, 2016 00:00
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Al-Saqr posted:Why the gently caress do these lone wolf pieces of poo poo keep thinking of doing their loving crimes and ruining the lives of millions of American muslims seriously gently caress these stupid assholes. gently caress him, not for what he did but for the inevitable legislative response
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Nov 29, 2016 00:00
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Black Baby Goku posted:Everyone who responds to Muslim terror attacks with "But but but white males!" Needs to look in the mirror and realize this is why republicans control this country now. because of white males? yeah i agree
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Nov 29, 2016 00:01
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joeburz posted:because of white males? yeah i agree What do white males have to do with this most recent terror attack?
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