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Dreamsicle posted:Grey commissioned Ryuho as a carrier 5 days before it was in real life. I wonder how Grey is doing with Industry. Don't all the delivery dates for ships have a built in +/- uncertainty to them? You can get them a little early or late so you can't quite rely on an exact date(?)
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Did Grey cancel the Chuyo? Her and the Ryuho are the last carriers that are going to come out of OTL Japanese shipyards until October,1943.
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Grumio posted:Don't all the delivery dates for ships have a built in +/- uncertainty to them? You can get them a little early or late so you can't quite rely on an exact date(?) Depends on your settings. You can have it be non-variable, somewhat variable (+/- 15 days) or EXTREMEly variable (+/- 60 days)
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Nov 27, 2016 04:59
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Wow, that's a nice couple oilers there. How's your own oil situation holding up otherwise Grey? And the fleet made it back to the dockyards for repairs okay or still going there?
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   We finally get a bomb into that oiler. Nice of it to stick around long enough.  Nates – slower than bloody bombers.   The enemy carrier is back! My carriers have all headed north, but maybe these guys will stray into range of Rangoon....   Will the enemy be stupid enough to get into range of Rangoon? The
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I think you mean Rabaul? Port Moresby is like 4,000 miles from Rangoon...
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Judging by the number of planes that attacked you, and what we know from the previous carrier battles, the Americans may be sending the only carrier they have in service at you. Normally this would seem like a bad idea after the damage from the last battle, but you should detach as many undamaged carriers as you can to go after this one. If this is one carrier and you sink it, the Americans might be left with only one carrier in the entire Pacific.
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Nov 28, 2016 06:51
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If it weren't for the type of planes, I'd wonder if those were British carriers that you didn't get in your initial sweep.
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Nov 28, 2016 07:12
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Would it be safe to assume that oiler is toast? Since tankers and oilers are such good targets I've been wondering for a while if my imagination is correct and basically any bomb or shell hit bigger than a dartgun results in fiery death.
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Nov 28, 2016 07:21
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What would the carrier likely be? A CV or a CVL? And in any case, which one? Assuming it's not Enterprise. Could it be Ranger or something else?
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Nov 28, 2016 10:01
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I accidentally bought WITP instead of WITP:AE. Is there a huge difference between the two?
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Sad King Billy posted:I accidentally bought WITP instead of WITP:AE. Is there a huge difference between the two? Sadly, yes. I've heard AE is a huge step up from WITP with the expansion of the map and dropping from 60x60 hexes to 40x40. Fuzzy McDoom posted:Would it be safe to assume that oiler is toast? Since tankers and oilers are such good targets I've been wondering for a while if my imagination is correct and basically any bomb or shell hit bigger than a dartgun results in fiery death. If it had fuel, yes it's toast. They don't become floating hulks that can be repaired, they sink due to fires/system damage. wedgekree posted:What would the carrier likely be? A CV or a CVL? And in any case, which one? Assuming it's not Enterprise. Could it be Ranger or something else? It's a CV since it has more than 30 planes attacking and no CVL's or CVE's the Allies carry more than 30ish planes. 22 Wildcats actually seems high for one carrier though, I think at this point the fighter squadrons on US carriers is still maybe 36, which eventually goes up to 40 and then to 44 later on. Ranger never arrives in theater IIRC (or maybe late '45). I think Lexington also survived unhurt, while Enterprise may have gotten damaged (1 bomb, 1 torp). Enterprise actually fits in the Sydney shipyards while Lexington is too big, so maybe they went there and then Lexington came back. If you have the combat logs or watch the combat replay it can sometimes give you the squadron name of the planes attacking ships. Japan helpfully are named after the ship and then a number, Allies are like "VB-3" which would be Enterprise's dive bomber squadron unless the squadron was moved, which I don't think the AI will actually do.
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Sad King Billy posted:I accidentally bought WITP instead of WITP:AE. Is there a huge difference between the two? It's basically a totally different game, and frankly one not really worth playing.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:
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steinrokkan posted:It's basically a totally different game, and frankly one not really worth playing. Yeah the scenarios are different and a lot of other changes. Frankly I think it's a little weird that they even still sell non-AE WITP as an option.
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gohuskies posted:Yeah the scenarios are different and a lot of other changes. Frankly I think it's a little weird that they even still sell non-AE WITP as an option. It was about Ł7 cheaper, I didn't even see AE until my transaction had gone through. they don't give refunds either
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Sad King Billy posted:It was about Ł7 cheaper, I didn't even see AE until my transaction had gone through. gotta love Matrix try emailing their support team and prostrating yourself before them
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27 November 1942 Italian torpedo boat Circe, cut in half in collision with SS Citta di Tunisi in poorly-coordinated head-on meeting of two Italian convoys. Today's major event, though, is the scuttling of the French fleet at Toulon to prevent seizure by the Germans. Scuttled, not salvaged Battleships Provence, Dunkerque, and Strasbourg (latter two also frequently referred to as battlecruisers). Cruisers Algérie, Colbert, Dupleix, Foch, and Marseillaise. Flotilla leaders (essentially large destroyers) Aigle, Cassard, Gerfaut, Guépard, Kersaint, Lynx, Mogador, Tartu, Vauban, Vauquelin, Vautour, Verdun, and Volta. Destroyers Casque, Mameluck, Le Bordelais, Le Mars, and La Palme. Torpedo boat La Poursuivante. Seaplane carrier Commandant Teste. Avisos (small patrol craft such as minesweepers) D'Iberville, Les Eparges, and Yser. Refloated but not returned to service Cruisers Jean de Vienne and La Galissoničre. Flotilla leaders Panthčre and Valmy. Destroyers Siroco, L'Adroit, Cyclone, Bison, Foudroyant, and Le Hardi. Avisos L'Impétueuse and Dédaigneuse. Recommissioned into Axis navies Flotilla leaders Lion, Tigre, and L'Indomptable. Destroyer Trombe. Torpedo boats Baliste and La Bayonnaise. Avisos Chamois, Granit and La Curieuse. Fifty-two warships scuttled in total.
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A fair number of those "Scuttled, not salvaged" ships were, in fact, refloated in '43 by the Italians with at least some in decent enough shape that returning them to service was considered, though the armistice ended any of those plans. Hell, the Allies raised Commandant Teste as second time (after being sunk again in '44) after the war and considered a CVE/CVT conversion of her, before finally consigning the ship to be a storage ship for a few years.
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OpenlyEvilJello posted:Italian torpedo boat Circe, cut in half in collision with SS Citta di Tunisi in poorly-coordinated head-on meeting of two Italian convoys. Oh, Italy.  
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Refloating ships for salvage is good and cool unless you're doing it to war graves.
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goatface posted:Refloating ships for salvage is good and cool unless you're doing it to war graves. Why?
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TildeATH posted:Why? A) Borderline free (at least compared to having to mine, refine, and ship them otherwise) materials are good and cool, but B) Disturbing graves We're not QUITE desperate enough for that, give the planet a few more decades of reckless resource depletion before we start melting gravesites down into toy cars.
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One of the war conventions. Also this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37997640
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:Oh, Italy.  http://www.worldnavalships.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3414
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From a legal standpoint, ships that are war graves are also still the property of the nation they sailed under. So salvaging them without the approval of said nation is blatantly illegal by international law as well. These also aren't professional salvaging companies pulling this poo poo, so the methods they use are incredibly primitive as well. A lot of those sunken ships still have large quantities of oil locked away in them, and the brute force methods the salvagers use are just blindly blowing new rents in the ship to knock salvage loose. Repulse and Prince of Wales are of particular concern, given their size and them sitting at both a relatively accessible depth and not in particularly well-policed waters. There's already oil leaking from them from illegal salvaging efforts in the last few years, and if one of these jackasses accidentally blows a huge hole in one of the larger reservoirs within, you're looking at a potential ecological disaster.
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Crazycryodude posted:A) Borderline free (at least compared to having to mine, refine, and ship them otherwise) materials are good and cool, but Uh... I hate to burst your bubble here, but its already happening. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/11187603/Celebrated-British-warships-being-stripped-bare-for-scrap-metal.html Prince of Wales and Repulse are being illegally salvaged. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/16/three-dutch-second-world-war-shipwrecks-vanish-java-sea-indonesia Dutch ships from the Battle of the Java sea being illegally salvaged. Theyre even salvaging Jutland wrecks illegally. http://thepipeline.info/blog/2016/05/22/exclusive-named-the-salvage-company-which-looted-jutland-war-graves-as-mod-fails-to-act/ So yeah, if salvagers can get to them to make a quick buck, they're already doing it. Although, good luck with salvaging Bismarck and Yorktown and stuff, since theyre quite a bit deeper than the ones above.
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Oh I know it's happening, just saying it probably shouldn't.
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That poo poo is valuable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel
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Didn't we have this exact conversation a week or two ago, or was that the MilHist thread?
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Avisos aren't minesweepers. They're the size of a destroyer, roughly, and have similar-sized main armament. Late avisos carried an aircraft, and no torpedoes. They were over crewed and extremely slow with very long range. The Bougainville class made 17.5 knots. They were used as despatch boats and show-the-flag patrol boats in colonial areas. Two Bougainville class avisos fought a single ship action in a somewhat unique occurence. The Vichy aviso won. Edit: got it backwards the free French aviso won KYOON GRIFFEY JR fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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Unfortunately it's a dual issue of many of the waters in the South Pacific where the vessels sunk are controlled by countries that are too corrupt, have too weak a navy/coast guard and/or just don't give a poo poo to stop this stuff, and the governments of Commonwealth countries in particular have been extremely weak at leaning on them or actually enforcing their rights. In addition to that unbelievable poo poo about Jutland ships getting salvaged - and while not in England's territorial waters, that's close enough that there's no way in hell that should have happened and then not been prosecuted - see Australia's response to HMAS Perth getting salvaged. Utterly pathetic response.Crazycryodude posted:Didn't we have this exact conversation a week or two ago, or was that the MilHist thread? Must have been MilHis, because it definitely didn't happen in this thread.
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Lord Koth posted:There's already oil leaking from them from illegal salvaging efforts in the last few years, and if one of these jackasses accidentally blows a huge hole in one of the larger reservoirs within, you're looking at a potential ecological disaster.
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Crazycryodude posted:Didn't we have this exact conversation a week or two ago, or was that the MilHist thread? I think it was the Airpower/Cold War thread, but yeah.
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I had no idea "War Grave" was even a term. How dumb that you a nation expects to leave contaminants and raw materials and yet demand that no one touch them. Screw them, they never should have been out colonizing in the first place. Does this happen on land?
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TildeATH posted:I had no idea "War Grave" was even a term. How dumb that you a nation expects to leave contaminants and raw materials and yet demand that no one touch them. Screw them, they never should have been out colonizing in the first place. Graverobbing? Of course.
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Friend Commuter posted:I think it was the Airpower/Cold War thread, but yeah. It came up in both. KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Avisos aren't minesweepers. They're the size of a destroyer, roughly, and have similar-sized main armament. Late avisos carried an aircraft, and no torpedoes. They were over crewed and extremely slow with very long range. The Bougainville class made 17.5 knots. They were used as despatch boats and show-the-flag patrol boats in colonial areas. Two Bougainville class avisos fought a single ship action in a somewhat unique occurence. The Vichy aviso won. Several of the avisos listed are, in fact, minesweepers (e.g. Granit, L'Impétueuse). Others are closer to something like a Flower or Black Swan (e.g. D'Iberville). Listed ships range from about 250 tons to nearly 2000 tons. The description was intended to be illustrative rather than exhaustive.
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TildeATH posted:I had no idea "War Grave" was even a term. How dumb that you a nation expects to leave contaminants and raw materials and yet demand that no one touch them. Screw them, they never should have been out colonizing in the first place. Sort of, I think crashed warplanes where the bodies weren't removed at the time are supposed to be left alone, too. I think it's an understandable sentiment, but not practical or reasonable when you're talking about hundreds or thousands of sunk ships amounting to millions of tons of recyclables. Because mining metal ore and then refining it kills people and uses massive amounts of energy, and those sailors who went down with their ships are long gone now, I doubt even bones remain.
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OpenlyEvilJello posted:It came up in both. Colonial Avisos are just kind of neat so your shouldn't lump them in with stupid minesweepers!
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When Ballard originally found the Bismark he basically was under instructions to not reveal the co-ordinates for it until the German government said it was allowed. *siderant* Ballard is also more than a bit of a jerk, they did some metallurgy on Titanic hull pieces where I used to work and he was a royal PITA to work with.
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