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Holy poo poo Grey, has this been the best week (?) ever in any witp LP? Well done!
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This needs to go into the op. The myths and wrong facts this battle is going to cause will need a book of that magnitude to deal with. Wait, was that Tanaka in charge of the Battleships? Well no wounder the chance played out I suspect. THIS is what the IJN should have been doing all along. The day of the end of the Battleship Is Not Here! I take it back. Great Naval Battles of Milne Bay will make a good computer game worth playing in the Greyverse.
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Yeah, that was a great day. Two AA cruisers and a fast battleship, along with at the very least crippling Enterprise and putting at least a few hits on Lexington - and that's if they're not both caught in the next day or two, in exchange for the possible loss of an early 1920s-era destroyer and potentially Mutsu(at the very least she'll be out of action for several months for repairs) is an insanely good trade. Hell, even if Mutsu does go down it'd be a far better end than she got in real life, where she sunk due to a main battery magazine explosion while sitting at anchor.Jimmy4400nav posted:Lets consult the table! Only 5 of those are fleet carriers though, with the rest being CVLs. Still dangerous, but loadouts for CVLs tend to be distributed differently compared to proper fleet carriers and even if total plane numbers are generally equal they're less dangerous. They're also easier to sink, which means exchanges with fleet carriers tend to go against them as well. Those 5 fleet carriers are also spread out through the entire year, so Grey has at least a year to run wild before they achieve parity again - assuming the AI doesn't just feed them one by one into the South Pacific, in which case it'll take far longer for enough to be produced at once to make up for the AI doing silly things. The final thing of note is that the Allies also just lost a huge number of trained aircrews over the past few day, which in many ways is even more devastating than the loss of the carriers themselves. This is the real reversal of history, as the loss of all the elite aircrews at Midway, and many of the remaining ones at Guadalcanal in August, were what kept the remaining IJN carriers out of the war in 1943, rather than anything else. Obviously the US doesn't have Japan's insane training policies that resulted in there being virtually no pool of replacements for naval aviators, but they've still just lost a huge chunk of experience that can no longer be passed on to help train the next wave, and a huge chunk of the IJN's elite actually survived this time, whether on a destroyed CV or not, which these now less experienced crews will still face. How does the game model the later Essexes coming off the line? The US only commissioned 17 before the war ended, though admittedly they'd slowed construction in late '44. Does the game model the traditional dates, or does it assume the accelerated rate they'd have initially been launched at? Lord Koth fucked around with this message at 10:03 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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Nov 29, 2016 10:00
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Also my general knowledge of the CVE's is that they were a lot slower as well, so if they're in a fleet they will massively in turn limit the speed that said fleet can make while cruising or in a combat zone. And are the Royal Navy's Carriers still considered to be available in the game or not historically at this point? I think some of the earlier ones were prone to being transferred out (at least per Grey's other games). So I guess of those maybe only the Hermes is actually useful in a fleet action given she can keep up with the main fleet and she doesn't have that many planes. And a battle group that can only make 18-22 knots at flank speed is not going to be really mobile, which will make it really easy to bring overhwelming assets to bear on it (at least by my general understanding of the top speed of the CVE's).
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Nov 29, 2016 10:00
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Admiral King, many a time and oft In Washington you have rated me About my Empire and my snobbery: Still have I borne it with a patient shrug, For sufferance is the badge of all our tribe. You call me limey, old-fashioned, And spit upon my English uniform, And all for use of that which is mine own. Well then, it now appears you need my help: Go to, then; you come to me, and you say 'Somerville, we would have carriers:' you say so; You, that did void your rheum upon my beard And foot me as you spurn a stranger cur Over your threshold: carriers is your suit. What should I say to you? Should I not say 'Hath a limey carriers? is it possible A chinless wonder can lend three fleet carriers?' Or Shall I bend low and in a bondman's key, With bated breath and whispering humbleness, Say this; 'Fair sir, you spit on me on Wednesday last; You spurn'd me such a day; another time You call'd me weak; and for these courtesies I'll lend you thus my carriers?
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Nov 29, 2016 10:10
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BANZAI! Bravo  And well done Grey! What a turn for the books! Grumio fucked around with this message at 11:35 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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Nov 29, 2016 11:17
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So pretty much BB hawks in the US Navy are going to order the scrapping of all the aircraft carriers under construction so they can build a thousand Battleships, right?
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algebra testes posted:So pretty much BB hawks in the US Navy are going to order the scrapping of all the aircraft carriers under construction so they can build a thousand Battleships, right? God it would be amazing if WitP could model this. Honestly a battle that decisive in favor of BB's over CV's would probably be enough to give most of the allies at least SOME doubts about going down the carrier supremacy path. IRL the Japanese reported the Enterprise as sunk on three separate occasions during the war. WitP's reporting system is intentionally inaccurate to model this. The Grey Ghost may yet stalk the sealanes. Has anyone compiled a complete (to-date) list of losses at the Battle of Milne Bay, Wikipedia-style? That'd make for a neat Greyverse wiki entry. Though the battle itself may well continue for another couple of days if this keeps up.
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Nov 29, 2016 12:19
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 What a lovely day at sea!This has been a wild ride so far Grey, and I'll be watching this to the end!
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Nov 29, 2016 12:34
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Mutsu should be fine: battleships are really hard to sink with bombs because of their deck armor (UK Carriers are similarly tough because of their armored flight decks). You really need torpedoes to do them in or a truly crazy number of bombs. In one AAR I think Nagano took 100 1000 kg bombs to burn down, not sink.
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Nov 29, 2016 13:10
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Alright! And I hope you get Lexington, too.
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Nov 29, 2016 13:49
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Nov 29, 2016 13:51
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The last couple of days really make up for the long lull of nothing important happening at sea.
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Nov 29, 2016 14:34
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Jobbo_Fett posted:CA Astoria or CL Astoria? (I'm assuming CA Astoria) CA Please.
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Nov 29, 2016 14:36
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Jimmy4400nav posted:CA Please. Done
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Nov 29, 2016 15:17
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Grey would like to have posted:Muh, muh Mutsu! drat you guy who snatched the Nagato out from under me! Great work Grey.
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Nov 29, 2016 15:20
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"55 new posts, did Grey sink the Enterprise or-" BANZAI! Now we get to find out the decisive battle does nothing to bring the allies to the table and Grey still gets murdered, just slightly later! 
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Nov 29, 2016 15:36
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Night10194 posted:Now we get to find out the decisive battle does nothing to bring the allies to the table and Grey still gets murdered, just slightly later! 
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Nov 29, 2016 16:07
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Amazing.
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Nov 29, 2016 16:24
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Congrats Grey!Drone posted:IRL the Japanese reported the Enterprise as sunk on three separate occasions during the war. WitP's reporting system is intentionally inaccurate to model this. The Grey Ghost may yet stalk the sealanes. Didn't someone say that the points for sunk ships are awarded immediately when the ship is sunk instead of after confirmation? So the carriers should still be afloat at least.
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Nov 29, 2016 16:36
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Wow, 60 new posts, did the war graves discussion get THAT intense or did Grey sink the E... no, it's never that. *45 seconds later*  
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Nov 29, 2016 16:47
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You think they'll build another one?
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Nov 29, 2016 16:48
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Nov 29, 2016 16:56
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   Our cruisers catch the Lexington – while they don't confirm the kill, this should be enough to finish her.   We hit a troops ship – are they reinforcing here?   Not much action in the air – but that is a good thing today! It means we may well have sunk the last allied carrier!  Not that anyone in intel can tell me.
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Nov 29, 2016 16:59
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The IJN train keeps rollin'.
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Nov 29, 2016 17:03
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Awesome. No Enterprise sighted means it probably sank overnight, right?
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Nov 29, 2016 17:07
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Bold Robot posted:Awesome. No Enterprise sighted means it probably sank overnight, right? It may have split off with Thracian to try and make a run for a safe port.
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Nov 29, 2016 17:13
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In this timeline, Yamamoto dies of exhaustion after a marathon celebratory sex session with his favorite geisha.
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Nov 29, 2016 17:21
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Nov 28 = 29256 Nov 29 = 29981 Nov 30 = 29991 Pretty sure the Enterprise is dead, but the Lexington survived for today.
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Nov 29, 2016 17:31
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Bold Robot posted:Awesome. No Enterprise sighted means it probably sank overnight, right? The 91 planes destroyed on field means it sank yesterday (plus whatever was on the NC in terms of scout planes). Planes destroyed on a carrier, or scout planes on a CA/BB/etc, are counted that way, and that number seems to always be accurate and not FoW. It's also why it's highly unlikely the Lexington sank today, since there was no planes destroyed on field. Given the damage though I wouldn't be shocked if it sinks in the next couple of days. Sometimes heavy fires / heavy damage isn't quite enough to put ships down though, especially Allied. It's got something like 10-15 hexes minimum before it can make a good friendly port (Brisbane?), so chances are good it succumbs to it's wounds, especially if the torpedo hit caused a fuel explosion or magazine explosion.
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Nov 29, 2016 17:34
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Can you load up the game as the Allies and confirm which carriers if any were sunk? Call it getting hands on American newspapers from spies or something, since this seems like the kind of thing SIGINT SHOULD be tracking instead of, you know, Tokyo Bay Fortress.
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Nov 29, 2016 17:37
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Pervis posted:The 91 planes destroyed on field means it sank yesterday (plus whatever was on the NC in terms of scout planes). Planes destroyed on a carrier, or scout planes on a CA/BB/etc, are counted that way, and that number seems to always be accurate and not FoW. It's also why it's highly unlikely the Lexington sank today, since there was no planes destroyed on field. Destroyed on field is sunk Destroyed as operational losses is because they couldn't transfer right? Davin Valkri posted:Can you load up the game as the Allies and confirm which carriers if any were sunk? Call it getting hands on American newspapers from spies or something, since this seems like the kind of thing SIGINT SHOULD be tracking instead of, you know, Tokyo Bay Fortress. If he's going to do that he should send the save to someone to check it out, but why ruin the surprise?
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Nov 29, 2016 17:38
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So Grey finally lets the battleships out to stretch their legs and they do this.  Where are Yamato and Musashi? Let the big dogs eat.
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Nov 29, 2016 17:40
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Even if Lexington didn't sink, the cruisers can chase her down tomorrow.
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Nov 29, 2016 17:43
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wukkar posted:So Grey finally lets the battleships out to stretch their legs and they do this. Didn't we lose one of them already or was that in another one of the WITP LP's going on?
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Nov 29, 2016 17:45
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It's nice to know the Hotel still managed to miss the decisive BB engagement.
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Nov 29, 2016 17:47
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Lack of carrier support means Grey now has essentially free reign anywhere not covered by land based air right? What does that open up? Australia? A crack at Fiji?
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Nov 29, 2016 18:16
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If one were to create a Wikipedia page for this month, really we'd almost have to call it the Coral Sea campaign considering the engagements have almost been contiguous with one another this past month. The Allied carriers have been from New Caledonia to the Solomon Islands to now off the tip of New Guinea and we've had fleet actions from small skirmishes to our recent battles off Milne Bay.
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Nov 29, 2016 18:23
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For a moment the extend of Grey campaigns will just be limited by ground based planes and supplies. And then Shokaku eats a torpedo salvo from a sub...
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Everyone's said it already, but holy poo poo that gamble paid off beautifully. BANZAI!
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