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Bongo Bill posted:Alec Guinness has phoned in better performances than some actors have ever given. Exactly what I'm talking about
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UmOk posted:Exactly what I'm talking about Its an indefinable quality that some actors have regardless of how much they're phoning it in. Ford has it too, without the two of them I really don't think the first movie would have been as successful. Its not Guinness' best performance, I don't think anyone would try to make that argument. It doesn't have to be though.
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Nov 30, 2016 02:34
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:UNLIMITED POWER That line rules!
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It's particularly appropriate for RotS because that's when the series embraces the operatic part of Space Opera. It's all big emotions and dramatic declarations.
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Maxwell Lord posted:It's particularly appropriate for RotS because that's when the series embraces the operatic part of Space Opera. It's all big emotions and dramatic declarations. The guy who has spent probably most of his life keeping his true self bottled up, patiently waiting to execute a plan 1000 years in the making, finally gets to let it all hang out. He's in ecstasy. On the other hand, in RotJ he's more snotty than intimidating. One reviewer I read said he sounded less like a personification of evil and more like a dad telling his college aged son that his becoming a Republican was inevitable.
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Nov 30, 2016 02:59
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I think a lot of this boils down to the fact that tonally the prequels are different than the OT.
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Nov 30, 2016 03:25
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rear end Catchcum posted:I think a lot of this boils down to the fact that tonally the prequels are different than the OT. They're pretty much identical. A little romance, a little adventure, and somebody loses a limb.
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Nov 30, 2016 05:31
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No one acts as campy as sidious being electrocuted in the OT. There are no battle droids with low brow comic relief. They are different and a different set of films that fit together on their own and as a bigger piece.
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rear end Catchcum posted:No one acts as campy as sidious being electrocuted in the OT. There are no battle droids with low brow comic relief. They are different and a different set of films that fit together on their own and as a bigger piece. Jabba does. A big ol' puppet who gives no poo poo about nuance in his performance. Didn't even learn to speak english for his role. Also 3PO being put together awkwardly is low brow comic relief, as is him getting his head bashed on a wall when Chewie didn't duck. Most of the Ewoks were low brow humor.
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Nov 30, 2016 09:02
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MrJacobs posted:Those are kids from a previous marriage, not hybrids. Clones can't reproduce, except for maybe Boba.
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Nov 30, 2016 09:47
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Remember when the muppeteers built a tiny muppet rear end for Yoda to wiggle at the camera while he rifles through Luke's stuff and pretends to be retarded.
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Nov 30, 2016 09:48
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R2 gets spit out like a comical chew toy in Empire. Jabba dies with his big tongue lolling out of his mouth, he may as well have had giant X's over his eyes, poo poo was so over the top. Mon Mothma's exaggerated delicate ephemeral tone is just as campy as Palpatine's prequel turn. 
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Nov 30, 2016 10:17
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rear end Catchcum posted:There are no battle droids with low brow comic relief.
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Nov 30, 2016 13:35
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There's also that dude who weeps hysterically when his friend the Rancor dies 
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Nov 30, 2016 17:40
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Remember when the Jawas were talking about the nature of man while selling sentient beings?
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Nov 30, 2016 17:45
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Guy A. Person posted:There's also that dude who weeps hysterically when his friend the Rancor dies I always felt this was so unnecessarily dark. Like the tone is dark already but this was just so sad it like ruins the fight with the rancor
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I don't really get how it 'ruins' the fight, the rancor is already a caged animal Luke has to kill and seeing the sadistic warden sad that his slave pet doesn't get forced to devour more innocent slaves just makes you wish the rancor had eaten him instead and escaped to his freedom.
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Nov 30, 2016 17:56
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but its sad that the fat guy loses his buddy
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Nov 30, 2016 17:57
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It's as dark as the Ewok checking on his buddy who gets blown the gently caress up. It's those moments that humanize Return and ultimately builds up to Luke's decision in the throne room.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:44
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Those Ewok movies weren't exactly the typical light kids fare either.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Remember when the Jawas were talking about the nature of man while selling sentient beings? Droids aren't sentient dum-dum. They are pretty much just toasters. That talk. And make decisions. And have feelings. And ambitions. And are afraid to die. Sentience means you came out of a vagina. Has this thread taught you nothing?
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Nov 30, 2016 19:58
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The rancor was the Harambe of Star Wars.
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Nov 30, 2016 20:13
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I wonder what kind of memes the teenagers in Star Wars like to post in their hologram video chats.
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Nov 30, 2016 20:41
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Electromax posted:I wonder what kind of memes the teenagers in Star Wars like to post in their hologram video chats. #droidlivesmatter #notallstormtroopers #ImWithHer
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Serf posted:The rancor was the Harambe of Star Wars. 
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Nov 30, 2016 21:10
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Phi230 posted:but its sad that the fat guy loses his buddy I agree, it is sad. 
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Nov 30, 2016 21:35
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Any chance that scene from Max Max 3 was a nod to the Rancor keeper?
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Nov 30, 2016 21:44
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Serf posted:The rancor was the Harambe of Star Wars. lol
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Nov 30, 2016 21:46
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:"When I left you, I was but the learner. Now I am the master." One thing that goes underappreciated is how Episode III gives this line greater meaning, in that one of the central conflicts driving Anakin's antipathy towards Obi-Wan and the Jedi Council is his belief that they're intentionally holding him back and refusing to make him a master, all because they fear his power and don't want him to learn the secrets of conquering death. Of course the duel in Episode IV ends with Obi-Wan allowing himself to be struck down, and using the Force to survive his death, thus demonstrating that he's still the master, and Anakin still the learner. And the reason Anakin is still the learner is because retaining one's identity in the Force requires a total mastery over oneself, achievable only through a mind state of pure selflessnes and compassion. Anakin is only a master of evil; self-mastery continues to elude him.
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Nov 30, 2016 22:54
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Fat guy crying over the Rancor is played for laughs.
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Nov 30, 2016 22:58
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I thought it was really sad. Prolly depends what age you first see it.
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Vintersorg posted:Fat guy crying over the Rancor is played for laughs. Yeah that was my point, he is so over the top sad. He plays it the same way Palpatine plays getting electrocuted (which I'm sure 7 year olds thought was shocking, just like 7 year olds who watched Jedi thought the Rancor dude was heartbreaking)
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rear end Catchcum posted:I thought it was really sad. Prolly depends what age you first see it. What did you think of the pig guard that Luke chokes to death right before that scene? Were you as empathic?
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ruddiger posted:What did you think of the pig guard that Luke chokes to death right before that scene? Were you as empathic? Did he choke the Gammorean to death or just to get it to back off?
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I forgot that it was Han who shoots because he's frustrated with Chewbacca's cowardice. Instead, we can talk about how Chewbacca blunders into an incredibly obvious trap with the ewoks. The point is that the things characters do in a film contribute to their characterization. And he does it because he's "thinking with his stomach", which (as pointed out by Mike Klimo) is the same reason Jar Jar tries to steal a morsel from a street vendor in TPM and similarly lands himself in hot water:   But both blunders prove to be fortuitous: Mike Klimo posted:The natives take the heroes back to their family/tribe, offer sanctuary, and eventually aid them in their quest. Interestingly, the heroes have dinner in Anakin’s slave hovel in Menace whereas in Jedi, the Ewoks plan to serve up the heroes at a banquet in C3PO’s honor. That's the Force making its will known through the clumsy, id-driven actions of the comic relief, animal-man sidekicks of TPM and ROTJ. Remember one of the main recurring mantras of the Jedi: "Feel, don't think. Act on instinct." Vintersorg posted:Fat guy crying over the Rancor is played for laughs. Not entirely. The reason it's funny is because it actually makes you empathize with the rancor keeper for a moment and feel kind of sad about the rancor's death, who up to that point was presented as nothing but a vicious, heartless monster. It's a small bit of black humor which evokes the larger themes of the film. George Lucas singles that moment out on the DVD commentary as something he personally thought to put in the movie, because he liked the idea that even a creature like the rancor had someone who cared about him. It's a sincere moment that becomes humorous because it's such an out-of-nowhere tonal right-turn. The essence of humor is its ability to subvert your expectations and jar you out of traditional thought patterns. One might even speculate that the "jarring" nature of humor is part of the meaning behind Jar Jar's name. He's a complete fish-out-of-water whose floppiness and rubberiness jars with the rigid stoicism and practiced formality of the rest of the characters. But his ability to shake the Queen's societally-ingrained thought patterns and inspire her to empathize with her strange, alien neighbors provides the key to victory. If that's the case, then his on-the-nose name is another thing he shares in common with Han Solo.
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Guy A. Person posted:Yeah that was my point, he is so over the top sad. He plays it the same way Palpatine plays getting electrocuted (which I'm sure 7 year olds thought was shocking, just like 7 year olds who watched Jedi thought the Rancor dude was heartbreaking) Everyone who understands what electrocution is thinks it is shocking.
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homullus posted:Everyone who understands what electrocution is thinks it is shocking. The whole scene is electrifying: you've got this charged battle between two polar opposites, the air is absolutely crackling with energy, and it ends with the old man transformed into a revolting monster.
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I always felt sad for the squealing guard who gets eaten by the Rancor.
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homullus posted:But there are all the other droids used for lowbrow comic relief. The mouse droid running in terror from the space trucker's big dog, the protocol droid mouthing off to 3PO, the droid in Jabba's palace wiggling its little legs and helium-squealing when it's being tortured. R2 is used as a waiter and is (as was mentioned) projectile vomited! The only places you see projectile vomiting in cinema are scenes of horror or lowbrow comedy (and it's almost always the latter or a combination of the two). Probably the most ridiculously lowbrow comic relief scene involving the droids comes at the very beginning of the very first movie: Threepio and Artoo look one way down a hallway absolutely erupting with blaster fire, then they look the other way, then they hammily shamble across while miraculously not even being hit once as laser bolts whiz by them randomly at every other possible location on the screen. That's a total slapstick gag of a scene. It's a pure example of Lucas's old-fashioned, Hollywood Golden Age comedic sensibility, and it's everywhere in the original six movies, whether it's Threepio and Artoo's Abbot and Costello routine or Han and Leia's screwball romantic comedy stylings. It's part of what gives them their charm. TFA, in contrast, eschews Vaudevillian repartee and Keatonesque slapstick for Whedonesque banter, and it's an ugly marriage. I'm actually a big Buffy fan, but by God does that sort of genre-aware, self-satisfied quippery not work for Star Wars. It's way too modern, and lacking in naivete. "Okay, how do we blow it up? There's always a way to do that." Argh. It's like nails on a chalkboard. I sure hope that wasn't Kasdan.
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Zoran posted:The whole scene is electrifying: you've got this charged battle between two polar opposites, the air is absolutely crackling with energy, and it ends with the old man transformed into a revolting monster. Whatever faults Chancellor Palpatine had, the man knew how to conduct himself.
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