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To be fair, part of my reasoning for doubt stems from the DNC putting up a proverbial butt fumbler as a candidate.
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Shbobdb posted:Nah. Punk is dead and what is left is a sad simulacrum. If NOFX is a sad simulacrum, I never knew what punk actually was I guess.
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Oh my whole punk post was about punk in the aughts being drat good. Or maybe it'll be the return of hair metal gently caress yes.
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Die Sexmonster! posted:If NOFX is a sad simulacrum, I never knew what punk actually was I guess. Well, NOFX was in fact bad, so there's that.
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Shbobdb posted:Nah. Punk is dead and what is left is a sad simulacrum. Most punk was sad to begin with so......business as usual. "You're not punk, and I'm telling everyone" is a pretty good summation of where that poo poo ended up pretty quick.
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Hollismason posted:People won't even believe we're in a recession unless it personally affects them. So yeah Trump could destroy the economy ,but I am pretty sure any economic downturn will be blamed on Obama. Yeah but they tried to pull this back during the Bush years where anything positive about the 90s was because of Reagan and all the bad parts of the economy under W. was because of Clinton and yeah I remember die hard Republicans believing and parroting that garbage but did anyone outside of true believers really believe that? So I don't know if that will work. Though o f course with Jeff Sessions as AG, the Civil Rights Act is going to go completely unenforced so I guess all is lost since than Democrats can't win an election again and Nuclear Holocaust will be a blessing
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Yep. She had one at one point but as noted in an article posted earlier today she abandoned it to focus on Trump's character failings. Which I, like many others, considered a masterstroke move at the time but obviously it totally backfired. I think the left massively underestimated just how much denial the right could be in. I think maybe the fact that their party put up such a dumpster fire broke their brains too and they just went "Nope, didn't happen.". We vastly underestimated their powers of self deception. Yes, Trump is strong, honest, hard working, good business man with family/christian values and good decision making skills and he's the salt of the Earth.
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In every presidential election of the past 25 years, the candidate who was more personable, human, and seemingly working-class won, while the candidate who was more aloof, distant, and uncharismstic lost. This poo poo is not complicated. America did not magically go from permanent Democrat Rule to Forever Republican Dystopia. Voters, especially white voters, are fickle and manipulatable and want a candidate they can relate to to tell them poo poo will get better. Thats literally the only bar the dems have to hit.
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Z. Autobahn posted:In every presidential election of the past 25 years, the candidate who was more personable, human, and seemingly working-class won, while the candidate who was more aloof, distant, and uncharismstic lost. This poo poo is not complicated. America did not magically go from permanent Democrat Rule to Forever Republican Dystopia. Voters, especially white voters, are fickle and manipulatable and want a candidate they can relate to to tell them poo poo will get better. Thats literally the only bar the dems have to hit. You're absolutely correct.
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Nov 30, 2016 10:01
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Trabisnikof posted:"I don't have a problem with Jews, I just have problems with Judaism that's all" said the antisemite. In today's "Did You Know", Palestinians and Arabs are Semites as well, so that makes anyone against them anti-semitic. So Black Baby Goku is a antisemite as well.
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Z. Autobahn posted:In every presidential election of the past 25 years, the candidate who was more personable, human, and seemingly working-class won, while the candidate who was more aloof, distant, and uncharismstic lost. This poo poo is not complicated. America did not magically go from permanent Democrat Rule to Forever Republican Dystopia. Voters, especially white voters, are fickle and manipulatable and want a candidate they can relate to to tell them poo poo will get better. Thats literally the only bar the dems have to hit. I'd argue Carter was more charismatic than Ford as well. Nixon is really the lone enigma since 1960. Television has ruined our electoral process. People look for the person who is entertaining.
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aBagorn posted:I'd argue Carter was more charismatic than Ford as well. Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson should run then.
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The Rock is a Republican. However, I'd go for Cena - D vs Johnson - R
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StealthArcher posted:The Rock is a Republican. The Rock-R makes it even better.
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Z. Autobahn posted:In every presidential election of the past 25 years, the candidate who was more personable, human, and seemingly working-class won, while the candidate who was more aloof, distant, and uncharismstic lost. This poo poo is not complicated. America did not magically go from permanent Democrat Rule to Forever Republican Dystopia. Voters, especially white voters, are fickle and manipulatable and want a candidate they can relate to to tell them poo poo will get better. Thats literally the only bar the dems have to hit. It speaks a lot about Americans that they relate to the scion of a wealthy family who grafted and schemed his way to a fortune while molesting every woman that caught his eye
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rscott posted:It speaks a lot about Americans that they relate to the scion of a wealthy family who grafted and schemed his way to a fortune while molesting every woman that caught his eye Unless the fortune you're talking about is the presidency, Donald Trump has not made a fortune. He could've made more money and failed to do so. That he has maintained his position of wealth and influence despite numerous failures, both financially and morally, helps me understand the meritocracy that is America a lot better.
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Nov 30, 2016 13:43
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Sir Tonk posted:A sentient rock could've beaten Trump as long as it focused on a positive economic message. That's what HRC offered for anyone that wasn't a gullible, entitled child. Soon 2016 will be remembered as As Good As It Got.
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Sir Tonk posted:post punk is better anyway Washington Post Punk
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Ford Fairlane Punk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH4oyaRouHc
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RandomBlue posted:I think the left massively underestimated just how much denial the right could be in. I think maybe the fact that their party put up such a dumpster fire broke their brains too and they just went "Nope, didn't happen.". We vastly underestimated their powers of self deception. People weren't deceived about Trump. They just didn't care because he was saying the right things about jobs. They were thinking "The bad things will happen to other people, and even if they do happen to me at least I'll have a job that pays better than minimum wage."
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Z. Autobahn posted:In every presidential election of the past 25 years, the candidate who was more personable, human, and seemingly working-class won, while the candidate who was more aloof, distant, and uncharismstic lost. This poo poo is not complicated. America did not magically go from permanent Democrat Rule to Forever Republican Dystopia. Voters, especially white voters, are fickle and manipulatable and want a candidate they can relate to to tell them poo poo will get better. Thats literally the only bar the dems have to hit. 2020 - George Clooney vs Donald Trump.
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Yates posted:2020 - George Clooney vs Donald Trump. Not impossible, given the paltry choices that the Dems seem to have available for 2020. Also, Fox is slipping into it's role as the new regime's Pravda quite well already: https://twitter.com/MattBruenig/status/803951842887602179
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HannibalBarca posted:Not impossible, given the paltry choices that the Dems seem to have available for 2020. What are you talking about? We have lots of great candidates now and more will emerge in the next four years. The problem is all the lists in the mainstream media are focusing on ties to establishment and fundraising ability which at this point should be disqualifying.
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StealthArcher posted:The Rock is a Republican.  aBagorn posted:I'd argue Carter was more charismatic than Ford as well.
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Glazier posted:What are you talking about? We have lots of great candidates now and more will emerge in the next four years. The problem is all the lists in the mainstream media are focusing on ties to establishment and fundraising ability which at this point should be disqualifying. I'm curious to see who your stable of great candidates is. No snark meant there, I'm honestly wondering who you think a good choice will be for 2020.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-north-carolina-gerrymander-idUSKBN13P0E4quote:A U.S. federal court on Tuesday set a March 15 deadline for North Carolina state lawmakers to redraw legislative districts found to be racially "gerrymandered," and ordered a new round of elections by next November for the 28 seats at stake.
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Trump only needs to save 1,499,000 jobs to catch up to Obama!
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HannibalBarca posted:I'm curious to see who your stable of great candidates is. No snark meant there, I'm honestly wondering who you think a good choice will be for 2020. Off the top of my head: Elizabeth Warren Keith Ellison Ruben Gallego Xavier Becerra Tulsi Gabbard Marc Pocan
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Glazier posted:Off the top of my head: One of those is garbage.
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A judge denied a request from Jill Stein to do a hand recount in WI. The recount was already done electronically I believe.
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Mr Hootington posted:One of those is garbage. And endorsed by David Duke.
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Glazier posted:Off the top of my head: Warren will be pretty old in 2020 (older than Trump is now, I believe), Ellison will have his hands full as a Congressman and (potentially) DNC chair, and, as others have noted, Tulsi Gabbard is not...amazing. But I'll definitely take a look at the others, thanks.
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Glazier posted:Off the top of my head: Warren and Sanders are the only people out there right now with enough name recognition to work I think. Anyone else is either too obscure, too inexperienced, or too tainted by donations and/or lovely decisions to win.
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Mr Hootington posted:One of those is garbage. Oh believe me I am not a fan of Tulsi Gabbard in the slightest, but I cannot deny she has a lot of credibility and support in the progressive wing. HannibalBarca posted:Warren will be pretty old in 2020 (older than Trump is now, I believe), Ellison will have his hands full as a Congressman and (potentially) DNC chair, and, as others have noted, Tulsi Gabbard is not...amazing. But I'll definitely take a look at the others, thanks. We don't need Ellison to run the DNC full time if he can make the structural changes we need and retake the Senate in 2018, that should be our immediate goal. Talking about 2020 is fine as long as our immediate concern is 2018. readingatwork posted:Warren and Sanders are the only people out there right now with enough name recognition to work I think. Anyone else is either too obscure, too inexperienced, or too tainted by donations and/or lovely decisions to win. The lesson we should take from the 2016 debacle is that name recognition, fundraising and establishment resources are the least important thing in modern political culture. If name recognition was important we would all be talking about going to President-Elect Clinton's inauguration plans. vvv I agree, and I've said the same things many many times, but we cannot deny she still has a lot of support among progressives. vvv Gynocentric Regime fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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Glazier posted:Off the top of my head: Tulsi Gabbard is pro Muslim-genocide like her BJP backers/supporters. Hell, Trump interviewed her for a cabinet position and she actually went! I don't know how exactly she would play that as a good thing seeing as how reaching across the aisle to work for Donald Trump looks awful.
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Mustached Demon posted:Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson should run then. I've actually been thinking he same thing. Is he a Democrat?
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Glazier posted:We don't need Ellison to run the DNC full time if he can make the structural changes we need and retake the Senate in 2018, that should be our immediate goal. Talking about 2020 is fine as long as our immediate concern is 2018. Buddy, we are not taking back the Senate in 2018 and we'll be lucky if we can avoid LOSING seats. It'll take a monumental, historic fuckup by the Trump administration to put enough Senate seats in play for control in 2018. Obviously that's entirely possible, but what I'm saying is that I think the energy for 2018 is gonna be better spent holding what Senate seats we can and targeting vulnerable House districts than making a play for Senate control, at least given what we know now.  "Democrats already are grappling with how to defend 10 senators up for reelection in 2018 in states that Donald Trump carried, some resoundingly. Republicans are targeting a quintet of senators from conservative states where Trump walloped Hillary Clinton: Montana, Missouri, Indiana, North Dakota and West Virginia. The GOP could amass a filibuster-proof majority by running the table in those states and other battlegrounds." Also state and local races, of course. I've heard talk that the DNC is gonna go hard after governorships in 2018, which is a great way to expand the presidential bench in the future.
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