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Coheed and Camembert posted:https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/804027364518793217 Hopefully she does what she did as Governor and resigns after a year or two.
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Venuz Patrol posted:superdelegates are the exact same thing as the electoral college. they're supposed to exist to allow smart people to take the reins back from crazies, but in practice they know they're supposed to uphold the will of the people, and that's what they do. no democratic candidate has won by virtue of superdelegates without taking the primary popular vote as well. when it became clear that obama was winning in 2008, nearly every superdelegate (and nearly all of them having supported clinton initially) switched over to support him. So you're saying the EC will vote
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MariusLecter posted:Countdown to a Dem. shouting "You have tiny hands!" during Trump sotu? One of them had better yell "You Lie!"
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HorseRenoir posted:Superdelegates don't do poo poo. I actually agree. Money, connections, collusion with the DNC, and favoritism by the media on the other hand...
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HorseRenoir posted:Superdelegates don't do poo poo. Venuz Patrol posted:superdelegates are the exact same thing as the electoral college. they're supposed to exist to allow smart people to take the reins back from crazies, but in practice they know they're supposed to uphold the will of the people, and that's what they do. no democratic candidate has won by virtue of superdelegates without taking the primary popular vote as well. when it became clear that obama was winning in 2008, nearly every superdelegate (and nearly all of them having supported clinton initially) switched over to support him. Both true but the real outcome is that things look super undemocratic. Just like with the EC.
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readingatwork posted:Probably but does that trick even work anymore with so much of a politician's career available for free online? Trump had an entire walk-in closet of skeletons and inconsistent political opinions and it didn't matter. The main takeaway from this election is that actual policies and facts don't matter, the most important thing for a candidate is charisma and personal likability.
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HorseRenoir posted:Trump had an entire walk-in closet of skeletons and inconsistent political opinions and it didn't matter. The main takeaway from this election is that actual policies and facts don't matter, the most important thing for a candidate is charisma and personal likability.
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Venuz Patrol posted:superdelegates are the exact same thing as the electoral college. they're supposed to exist to allow smart people to take the reins back from crazies, but in practice they know they're supposed to uphold the will of the people, and that's what they do. no democratic candidate has won by virtue of superdelegates without taking the primary popular vote as well. when it became clear that obama was winning in 2008, nearly every superdelegate (and nearly all of them having supported clinton initially) switched over to support him. I wonder what this says about the 2016 election day, and the EC...
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Nov 30, 2016 20:02
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HorseRenoir posted:Trump had an entire walk-in closet of skeletons and inconsistent political opinions and it didn't matter. The main takeaway from this election is that actual policies and facts don't matter, the most important thing for a candidate is charisma and personal likability. I fail to see how anyone could like that man. He's a crass, egotistical bully of a man.
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Talmonis posted:I fail to see how anyone could like that man. He's a crass, egotistical bully of a man.
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Minority leaders of the house and senate will be the two most prominent democrats for the next 4 years so yeah it seems important that they be on board with the socialist takeover Otoh they do function as ultra-whips so a track record of keeping congressman in line would be a big point in Pelosi's favor I guess
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Talmonis posted:I fail to see how anyone could like that man. He's a crass, egotistical bully of a man. Plenty of his voters said the same thing followed with "....but, he calls it like it is!" He was their antihero.
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I bet a lot of Americans also don't really like Trump that much and voted either against Hillary, because he was the R candidate, or because BABIES BEING MURDERED BY DEMOCRATS. Like frankly he should be an easy win in 2020 if his term takes the trajectory it's already taking but I have no faith in anyone actually standing up to him in a effective way.
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Sander's message didn't resonate that much with non-millennial whites in the rust belt. His support base also became this fart-smelling group of insiders that turns off less physically active political people who always make it to the polls. Sanders message resonated just fine, throughout the entire primary and continuing to this day he enjoys significant approval ratings among every stripe of Democrat and some stripes of Republican Minority Democrats largely voted for HRC instead of him for a whole bunch of reasons, but not because he had bad sounding ideas or that he wasn't liked. I'd have to say the biggest reason is Clinton putting in a lot of work in the previous decade to establish her credibility. I know the conventional wisdom at the time was also that she was the one who could stop Trump and Sanders wasn't The thing is I find it unlikely that politically engaged pro-HRC voters would have stayed home rather than hold their nose and vote for Sanders, but politically disengaged Democrats demonstrated that they absolutely would stay home rather than vote for Benghazi-Email-Foundation-Gate Clinton
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Talmonis posted:I fail to see how anyone could like that man. He's a crass, egotistical bully of a man. That appeals mostly to rear end in a top hat White Males in their 40s-50s (Gen X) who miss how racist everyone was in their youth. Or that's the demographic I've seen here on Staten Island, in the heart of Liberal New York City, but it still went to Trump by 57 percent.
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HorseRenoir posted:charisma and personal likability. This is the part I truly don't understand. I can't listen to Trump tall about anything without despising him. Forget content entirely just the way he speaks sounds so juvenile, whiny, and stupid. Not to mention he embodies the arrogant rich billionaire so well he's practically their figurehead.
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Talmonis posted:I fail to see how anyone could like that man. He's a crass, egotistical bully of a man. He doesn't really have charisma in the traditional sense, it's just that his core supporters hate the same people that he hates and want to live vicariously through a powerful bully like Trump (hence all the people who immediately became public assholes that were vindicated by Trump's victory). He doesn't actually have that much popular likability, just slightly more likability than the cold policy wonk woman that the media has trained people to instinctually hate since the 90's. Reminder that we're currently in the honeymoon phase of Trump's presidency where he hasn't had the chance to gently caress things up yet and his approval numbers are still underwater, well below where past president-elects were at this point in time. He is not super popular and any Democrat with decent enough people skills can beat him.
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bag em and tag em posted:This is the part I truly don't understand. I can't listen to Trump tall about anything without despising him. Forget content entirely just the way he speaks sounds so juvenile, whiny, and stupid. Not to mention he embodies the arrogant rich billionaire so well he's practically their figurehead. First, you are sane and a good person. Second, think of juvenile, whiny and stupid as honest and outspoken. Third, he is a self made man. He earned his keep.
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Kilroy posted:Yeah it's not that Tim Ryan was a great alternative or even a better alternative, it's that no one better even ran and the House Democrats seem fine with this. It is worth pointing out that being Minority or Majority Leader is pretty much accepting that your political career has peaked. You become the designated boogieman for the other party and designated scapegoat for your own party when something is not going to someone's liking.
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Shifty Pony posted:It is worth pointing out that being Minority or Majority Leader is pretty much accepting that your political career has peaked. You become the designated boogieman for the other party and designated scapegoat for your own party when something is not going to someone's liking. Bernie's gonna avoid that like kryptonite.
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HorseRenoir posted:He doesn't really have charisma in the traditional sense, it's just that his core supporters hate the same people that he hates and want to live vicariously through a powerful bully like Trump (hence all the people who immediately became public assholes that were vindicated by Trump's victory). He doesn't actually have that much popular likability, just slightly more likability than the cold policy wonk woman that the media has trained people to instinctually hate since the 90's. This is what has me worried. That the Democrats think he's easy pickings in 2020 and conventional logic states they just have to show up to take back the Presidency since obviously everyone will be unhappy and vote against the incumbent.
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MariusLecter posted:Countdown to a Dem. shouting "You have tiny hands!" during Trump sotu? kleine Hände. kleine Bälle. kleine Drumpf
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Coheed and Camembert posted:https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/804027364518793217
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Radish posted:This is what has me worried. That the Democrats think he's easy pickings in 2020 and conventional logic states they just have to show up to take back the Presidency since obviously everyone will be unhappy and vote against the incumbent. Thank god right, otherwise they might have to hand over leadership to people that aren't bought and paid for by giant evil corporate interests Good thing there's no way their voters will ever catch wise to that and just refuse to vote for them though
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override367 posted:Thank god right, otherwise they might have to hand over leadership to people that aren't bought and paid for by giant evil corporate interests DNC hands over leadership to No One.
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Spacebump posted:If Booker ran, why wouldn't he change some of his less popular (with Dems) views to be more in line with what the voters (Dem base) want? It's usually what happens as a result of the primary. Hmmm it might be the fact that he takes tons of money from wall street that would keep him from changing his positions. Kind of like Obama or Clinton.
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Nevvy Z posted:Both true but the real outcome is that things look super undemocratic. Just like with the EC. i completely agree. i was and am With Her and i don't give a gently caress who knows it, but the primary system needs as close to a level playing field as it can get, and we're actually able to address imbalances in the democratic primary process, unlike the general election and electoral college. i also think caucuses should be axed, since they're the online news comments section of political elections, but i'm willing to take things one step at a time
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MariusLecter posted:DNC hands over leadership to No One. At least they're physically incapable of accepting any personal responsibility as the world falls to fascism That might be traumatic for a normal person to realize
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Talmonis posted:I fail to see how anyone could like that man. He's a crass, egotistical bully of a man. There were several moments during the campaign that I really liked what he had to say so I completely get his appeal. For example I outright cheered at my screen when he talked about how he buys influence with money. Yes he's a bastard but for many he's their bastard, particularly in contrast to the Democrats who deny that serious problems exist (America is already great!) and don't really stand for anything outside of winning and being slightly less terrible than Republicans (I'm with HER!). HorseRenoir posted:Trump had an entire walk-in closet of skeletons and inconsistent political opinions and it didn't matter. The main takeaway from this election is that actual policies and facts don't matter, the most important thing for a candidate is charisma and personal likability. Trump won in large part BECAUSE of policy. Trump promised change while the Dems spent most of their time being mad about how gosh darn rude he was and punching left. There was also the problem where the left has little credibility as a change agent anymore thanks to Obamas complete unwillingness to fight for anything good.
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Coheed and Camembert posted:https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/804027364518793217 That would make her only 17 heartbeats away from the presidency.
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readingatwork posted:There were several moments during the campaign that I really liked what he had to say so I completely get his appeal. For example I outright cheered at my screen when he talked about how he buys influence with money. Yes he's a bastard but for many he's their bastard, particularly in contrast to the Democrats who deny that serious problems exist (America is already great!) and don't really stand for anything outside of winning and being slightly less terrible than Republicans (I'm with HER!). I don't think anything Trump did mattered, okay he pulled in a handful of independents, but he also scared away a handful of not insane Republicans Trump just proved the GOP can literally do nothing to win the election and in fact actively fight to lose it and still get 60 million votes, and the Democrats have to not put up the least likable public figure in the country as their nominee.
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MariusLecter posted:DNC hands over leadership to No One.
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Venuz Patrol posted:i completely agree. i was and am With Her and i don't give a gently caress who knows it, but the primary system needs as close to a level playing field as it can get, and we're actually able to address imbalances in the democratic primary process, unlike the general election and electoral college. I was a Clinton die hard, I'm married into a legacy Democratic family, I have met her four or five times in person and she is a perfectly fine person to talk to and eat with. However even I have had the scales fall from my eyes after loving Donald Trump was elected President! Doing what we have been doing and specifically trying to keep people out of our party and primary process is not the way we will win. Sure existing Democratic leaders might like it but their lives are not at stake, our friend's and family's are. readingatwork posted:There were several moments during the campaign that I really liked what he had to say so I completely get his appeal. For example I outright cheered at my screen when he talked about how he buys influence with money. Yes he's a bastard but for many he's their bastard, particularly in contrast to the Democrats who deny that serious problems exist (America is already great!) and don't really stand for anything outside of winning and being slightly less terrible than Republicans (I'm with HER!). Exactly, Obama rode in on a wave election in 2008 and as soon as he took office he was capitulating and compromising. "Oh well the Republicans won't let me shut down Guantanamo, nothing I can do." "Single payer? The GOP will attack me if I ask for that, better to implement their plan then they can't say anything bad about it." "Oh let's give the farm away on entitlements and then the GOP will have to come to the table for a grand bargain." Gynocentric Regime fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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Talmonis posted:I fail to see how anyone could like that man. He's a crass, egotistical bully of a man. But he said he'd give me my job back and get rid of those immigrants and Muslims!!!!!!!!!
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The general public always hates the top of house leadership. Those jobs are not about winning elections or being a public face; the job is to wrangle people into the best position you can get, endure an enormous amount of poo poo flung at you from all sides, and take it in stride so that the rest of your party can vote as a unified front. They are not figureheads. The House has fewer than 290 Republicans. You need a Democratic minority leader that is effective at controlling the caucus. Pelosi has proven effectiveness there, and she's in the top 20% in terms of progressive voting. Young progressive congresspeople are not going to try to take that position. Who's left?
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Pollyanna posted:But he said he'd give me my job back and get rid of those immigrants and Muslims!!!!!!!!! My brain pretty much corrects "economic anxiety" with "racism" at this point. It's funny when people try to lead Trump voters to the easy "just say you were mad about JOBS" and even then they can't help but bitch about BLM or immigants.
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Well I for one am confident that now that the Republicans are at a majority and they no longer have to worry about Obama getting credit for successful legislation we'll finally see some good policy in regards to veterans and ahahahahah just kidding they'll still be PTSD riddled derelicts begging for change under bridges for years to come. Also can't wait for them to gut the VA for "underperforming".
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Radish posted:My brain pretty much corrects "economic anxiety" with "racism" at this point. It's funny when people try to lead Trump voters to the easy "just say you were mad about JOBS" and even then they can't help but bitch about BLM or immigants. Well the two aren't necessarily distinct for a lot of people, they see one causing the other when in fact there is no correlation.
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