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McCloud posted:There were a couple of fun things with black Superman though. For one, everyone thought Lex Luthor (who was still white) was a racist. Two, the whole Justice league was also black, with one exception. Go on, can you guess who? Was it Martian Manhunter? Edit: Here's a comic from the 50's. Weird Fantasy #18 http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/54803.html The writers were told that they had to change the astronaut to a white guy. They said gently caress you. Then, after a lot of anger, they were told ok the astronaut could be black, but they needed to get rid of some of the sweat. They said gently caress you to that too. Push El Burrito fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Dec 1, 2016 |
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Anybody hear of anything interesting a non-fictional black person did recently? I'm pretty sure BSS could easily support a POCs in comics thread at this point. If the resident nerds get mad about it just feed them to me  I would like to direct attention to what a brilliant writer Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is. He has his columns in the otherwise pointless Time Magazine, his books, some great stuff on WaPo, and this Jacobin article that gave me new ideas about unionizing all kinds of "ununitable" workforces. The GOAT posted:Life for student-athletes is no longer the quaint Americana fantasy of the homecoming bonfire and a celebration at the malt shop. It’s big business in which everyone is making money — everyone except the eighteen to twenty-one-year-old kids who every game risk permanent career-ending injuries.
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The Paradox of Being a Black Role Model Kareem Abdul-Jabbar The U.S. president and a prima ballerina. Throw in a rabbi and a priest and you’ve got the start of a classic watercooler joke. But add first black American President and first black female principal dancer for the American Ballet Theatre and it’s no longer a joke but an uplifting ideal for a new generation of African Americans. Two shining role models of how diligence, discipline and perseverance can overcome even the most daunting obstacles to achieve the American Dream. But being a black role model is a double-edged sword of inspiration and frustration. Yes, you are an inspiration to children of color—living proof that although you face a lot of closed doors, they aren’t all locked. For Barack Obama, the doors were double-locked: no black person had ever been President, and no one from Hawaii had ever been President. So too for Misty Copeland: she started ballet at 13—late for a dancer—and had the “wrong” body type. Yet somehow they both rolled the Sisyphean rock of being black to the top of the mountain, and it stayed. The frustration for the black role model is knowing that, though you are proof it can be done—a happy lottery winner waving a million-dollar ticket—the odds are so astronomically stacked against you that it sometimes feels as if you’re more the source of false hope and crushed dreams. A casino shill they let win so the suckers will keep playing the slots. Americans have been blasting the “land of opportunity” playlist from birth. At every opportunity, rousing odds-beating success stories are trotted out in history textbooks and popular media to spangle the Dream like a beauty queen at a supermarket opening. Unfortunately, the American Dream has lost a lot of luster in recent years. Rather than shine like a bright beacon of hope to optimists everywhere, it winks like a battery-drained flashlight in a horror movie. A 2014 New York Times poll discovered that only 64% of Americans agreed that they still believed in the American Dream, the lowest result in nearly 20 years. Loss of faith is even higher among America’s youth. A 2015 Harvard Institute of Politics national poll found that 48% of 18-to-29-year-olds considered the American Dream to be “dead.” As Bruce Springsteen said, “I have spent my life judging the distance between American reality and the American Dream.” For Americans of color, closing that gap may seem like a bridge too far. Having successful ethnic role models is great because it affirms the country’s commitment to the principle of equal opportunity. But at the same time we see police killing unarmed African Americans, voter-ID laws keeping poor minorities from the ballot, the federal government slashing programs that offer food and medical care, assaults on affirmative action and an inferior education for poorer children of color, which will keep them out of higher education and better-paying jobs. The door is not just closed and locked—it’s boarded, nailed and cemented shut. So when we hold up wildly successful role models, we’re telling those who can’t overcome the towering obstacles blocking their progress that they are to blame for their failure. They just didn’t try hard enough, weren’t clever enough, didn’t have the fortitude. That’s like blaming rape victims for not running away. This is the tyranny of low expectations. Role models of color face a unique form of judgment. If you’re black and you fail, many will claim you failed because blacks aren’t up to the task. But if you’re black and you succeed, they will then claim that you succeeded because you’re black and were given an advantage. You are not allowed to succeed or fail on your own merits. Yet if George W. Bush is judged to be a bad President, no one says, “Well, we tried a white guy and it didn’t work, so no more white Presidents.” Or Southerners. Or Texans. Or self-portraitists in the shower. The irony is that despite generations of closed doors, it is people of color who have the most faith in the American Dream. A 2015 CNN/Kaiser Family Foundation poll found 55% of blacks and 52% of Hispanics believed it was easier for them to attain the American Dream than it was for their parents. Only 35% of whites believed that. This brazen optimism in the face of systemic racism is in large part due to pioneering role models like Misty Copeland and President Obama. In 11.22.63, a Hulu series based on Stephen King’s novel, a man time-travels to the past to prevent the assassination of President Kennedy. But his attempts to change history are met with supernatural resistance because, as a character tells him, the past doesn’t want to be changed: “The past pushes back.” So does American culture. We fear change so much that we fight it, even when change reflects our founding principles. We just have to push against the pushing. Only harder. That’s what Misty Copeland and President Obama have done their whole lives. Which makes them role models not just for people of color but for all Americans.
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McCloud posted:Dude, this is Superman we're talking about, he will save literal mass murderers from dying at the risk of his own life, no way is any Superman worthy of that symbol leaving anyone to die if he can help it. I mean, he can give them a stern talking to, but he'll never turn down a cry for help, from anyone. I mean the whole point of the ridiculous hot mess that are multiverses/alt-universes/whatever is to give artists more space to play in without loving up canon. If Superman can be a hosed up mutant or a cartoon duck or a Soviet. he can be a black nationalist too
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I heard her on NPR discussing the quality of vocational schools a few months ago, but I really like reading Tressie McMillan Cottom's research and analysis on education policy and sociology. Her New blog post : quote:
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Pastrymancy posted:I heard her on NPR discussing the quality of vocational schools a few months ago, but I really like reading Tressie McMillan Cottom's research and analysis on education policy and sociology. She is just the greatest, and I often refer to The $20 Principle when discussing invisible barriers in POC education The $20 Principle I have written before about how $20 can change a student’s life. The $20 is slightly euphemistic but not entirely so. We talk a lot about big money in higher education but I know for a fact that it’s small money that can derail one’s educational ambitions. I was a student in a doctoral preparation program. I was an older “non-traditional” student. I was independent. I didn’t have children but neither was I still someone’s child. To take advantage of this highly competitive program, I had to submit a $100 reservation fee. I didn’t have it. I was $24 short. A dean at my dear ol’ HBCU lent me the $25 dollars and the mostly black faculty at that program (UNC’s MURAP) allowed me two extra days to submit it. I borrowed $30 ($25 from Dean Bryant, $5 from a friend) and spent $6 on the gas it took to drive the $100 money order to Chapel Hill from Durham, NC. In my day, I have seen young women choose to drop a class because her boyfriend needs to use her car. The boyfriends almost always suck but they also give her $20 when she needs it most. This kind of resource navigation can lead to dysfunctional relationships but it can also be an important safety net for vulnerable women. If you delay your academic progress to keep the quasi-bad boyfriend because he might one day be the only one willing to give you $20 when you need it most, you’re making a very rational educational choice. This becomes especially salient in for-profit higher education where the typical student is a woman, the likely student is a minority women, and where the bureaucratic process of enrolling minimizes the small dollar amounts. For-profit colleges don’t have deposits or reservations fees like community colleges or not-for-profit four-year colleges, for example. They may cost more in the long run, but it’s the immediate $20 that’s the most valuable when you are economically vulnerable. I talk about a lot of this in my forthcoming Lower Ed where I also liberally cite Sara Goldrick-Rab’s research on economic precarity, financial aid, and higher education access. Sara is taking the moment of her much-anticipated book, Paying the Price to launch a non-profit, The Fast Fund. Fast Fund understands the power of $20 to save a students’ higher education dream. Sara says posted:
Sara is a sociologist. She knows Fast Fund isn’t a structural solution but neither was that $25 I borrowed from the Dean almost ten years ago now. Fast Fund is a model for disseminating research that impacts the lives so many of us study in the course of work. I am joining Fast Fund’s board and look forward to seeing this seedling grow. I especially hope minority serving institutions will accept Fast Fund’s invitation to apply. You can, of course, talk about it or you can be about it.Cheers to Fast Fund for being about it.
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Wow, that's some really hard-hitting ideas put well in concise writing. The one about the continuing expectation of hope and providing absolution especially. Every single time I've pointed out what I was certain there was a reasonable concern about where we're headed, the immediate response and assumption that it can't happen here because of the Constitution or because of the diversity of the nation has been frustrating.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:She is just the greatest, and I often refer to The $20 Principle when discussing invisible barriers in POC education  I think it is my dream for you to make a big old effortpost about POC education. Not sarcasm, I would hang on every word. $20 Principle seems like it applies to young POC of all ages, not just college-age. Seems like all of childhood is the death of a thousand cuts. I wonder how many other times $20 could have made the difference in her life.
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Hawkgirl posted:
I know 20 bucks could have made a difference in like, 6 different instances I can think of off the top of my head as a kid, including one where I had to sit in juvie for 4 days because my mom couldn't bail me out. What was I arrested for? Giving lip to a cop that harassed me for being black and 10.
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Hawkgirl posted:
 I feel so unqualified though really! We have actual education experts kicking around here, and I barely have any exposure to academia at all. I have one specific $20 memory... I was late to work and had to take a cab, and then my card was declined. The taxi driver wanted to call the cops immediately, but I begged him to let me go find some cash and left my phone as collateral. I borrowed 20 from an older white man I worked with, and he was very kind in giving it to me, but I was so ashamed at having to do it that I just... never went back to that job. That's the kind of decision, both irrational and not, that living on the tightrope has you making.
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Hawkgirl posted:
If you're curious on education in America in general, I have some resources on the topic. The first one is a This American Life (stay with me) that spends an hour with reporter Nikole Hannah-Jones talking about black and white schools, and closing the achievement gap. Her solution: integration. The episode goes more in depth on how white people are still keeping the schools segregated using boroughs to section off white and black neighbors. Here are some excerpts from the talk (When asked why she thinks integration is the solution): Nikole Hannah-Jones says posted:I think it's important to point out that it is not that something magical happens when black kids sit in a classroom next to white kids. It's not that suddenly a switch turns on and they get intelligence or wanting the desire to learn when they're with white kids. What integration does is it gets black kids in the same facilities as white kids, and therefore it gets them access to the same things that those kids get-- quality teachers and quality instruction.But I didn't really understand until I started covering education that we were part of a desegregation program. She also wrote a lengthy piece here talking about how NYC still today is segregating their schools, and how it's being reinforced by white families. The school topic is complex as it's not just schools segregation, but also housing, that is making it so cities are still divided. There are more articles talking about how apartment owners are still subtly turning down people based off of their race, also if you like this american life they did an episode on that too. Nude fucked around with this message at 09:45 on Dec 1, 2016 |
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Hawkgirl posted:death of a thousand cuts This is otherwise a great post, but that expression has kind of a colonialist/racist history, and is probably better to avoid.
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negromancer posted:I know 20 bucks could have made a difference in like, 6 different instances I can think of off the top of my head as a kid, including one where I had to sit in juvie for 4 days because my mom couldn't bail me out.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:This is otherwise a great post, but that expression has kind of a colonialist/racist history, and is probably better to avoid. Hey thanks, I didn't know that. I'll edit it later today.
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negromancer posted:What was I arrested for? Giving lip to a cop that harassed me for being black and 10. Are you from the STL area? I seem to recall reading that in this thread at some point. How did you fight back the urge to say "not today, pig" and deck them when they're harassing you daily?
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zegermans posted:How did you fight back the urge to say "not today, pig" and deck them when they're harassing you daily? Survival instinct, probably. I mean, it's stupid but there is no good outcome to attacking a cop without a ton of backup on your end, cameras, clear media presence to show that the cop is severely out of line and even then you're probably going to die if you do that. Unless you're white.
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biracial bear for uncut posted:Survival instinct, probably. Also bonus of the media finding some dirt on you from years ago or some goofy picture you took and that will justify your death by cop.
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Morby posted:Also bonus of the media finding some dirt on you from years ago or some goofy picture you took and that will justify your death by cop. Additional bonus if it's a 10 year old of the media digging up their parents' arrest records.
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lol at physically attacking a cop for any reason, unless you have a death wish for you and want vendetta against anyone associated with you. Even if you get off you are hosed unless you just move away.
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Dexo posted:lol at physically attacking a cop for any reason, unless you have a death wish for you and want vendetta against anyone associated with you. So, funny story. Me knocking a cop out cold is how I got to spend a year in prison after I left the military. Long story short, it was illegal in Texas to film cops, cop tried to physically stop me from recording, and lost. This was right in front of y house so I had nowhere to really run and his partner stopped beating up the black motorist long enough to see his partner crumpled at my feet. Plot twist: since they didn't want to charge me with the assault (because then the video could come into evidence and that would most likely end with said cops losing their jobs and pensions, and me doing about 7 years in prison, I pled down to improper photography. It's a felony, which was thrown out as unconstitutional law in 2014 (thanks to, of all people, a goddamn child pornographer), so my felony no longer exists on my record. zegermans posted:Are you from the STL area? I seem to recall reading that in this thread at some point. How did you fight back the urge to say "not today, pig" and deck them when they're harassing you daily? From Chicago, and I was 10. Wasn't exactly in the position to fight a grown rear end man at 10 years old.
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quote:because then the video could come into evidence and that would most likely end with said cops losing their jobs and pensions What year was this? Because I can't see this actually being the outcome if something like that story happened today.
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biracial bear for uncut posted:What year was this? Because I can't see this actually being the outcome if something like that story happened today. 2007. In Texas. If you saw the video it would be pretty indefensible what they were doing. The DA saw it as well and told my lawyer that yep, the video would pretty much put me away for 7 years, but also it would cost those cops their jobs, considering the motorist was a vet and Fort Hood is a military town up and down full of black and brown vets.
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I guess I'm just a lot more cynical than I should be, because I would expect a murder and the camera to disappear. EDIT: At the time of the incident, do not pass go, do not let DA know video exists because camera is destroyed, etc.
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I have about 20 separate arrests on my record, but it's all sealed because Wisconsin is actually pretty progressive about that and seals a minor's record when they turn 18. 15 of my arrests were for stealing food because we were poor as poo poo and the other 5 were situations where I got jumped, somebody in the resulting fight was in a gang, and the police in my hometown would just arrest and charge everyone rather than trying to sort poo poo out. Ah, the joys of growing up in an economically repressed, majority-minority town.
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I just realized I don't know a single person who's ever been arrested let alone spent any time in jail or prison. Also negromancer you're a goddamn hero and lucky as hell.
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Baronjutter posted:I just realized I don't know a single person who's ever been arrested let alone spent any time in jail or prison. I'm no hero. I'm just a black dude trying to make a dollar out of 15 cents. LeftistMuslimObama posted:I have about 20 separate arrests on my record, but it's all sealed because Wisconsin is actually pretty progressive about that and seals a minor's record when they turn 18. Jesus, I thought I racked up a lot of arrests. My juvie stands at like 14, counting the 2 times I was held at Homan Square overnight twice while I was in foster care. Most of mine were either suspicion of drug trafficking or vagrancy or loitering or gang affiliation poo poo. Thank god for sealed juvie records.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:This is otherwise a great post, but that expression has kind of a colonialist/racist history, and is probably better to avoid. Is it? From Caligula's Rome?
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Samovar posted:Is it? From Caligula's Rome? "Few of those who now use the phrase "death by a thousand cuts" will be aware of its origins in lingchi, a highly unpleasant form of execution used in Imperial China, which involved the slicing of the convicted criminal's flesh until death ensued"
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negromancer posted:I'm no hero. I'm just a black dude trying to make a dollar out of 15 cents. You get in a lot of fights when you're the biggest kid and you have a lot of tough guys trying to prove their worth to whatever gang or group they're trying to get in with. Thank God for medicaid or the number of times I wound up in the er could have taken what little money we had left from us. It's why I started boxing and mma in high school. My mom was literally afraid I was gonna get killed if I didn't toughen up and learn to fight back.
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I couldn't do it. I only spent 2 days in County in my life and I was already bored as gently caress. Was so happy when my mother bailed me out. I think I slept most of the day.
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blackguy32 posted:I couldn't do it. I only spent 2 days in County in my life and I was already bored as gently caress. Was so happy when my mother bailed me out. I think I slept most of the day. The secret is to live somewhere where the jail is constantly so overflowing that they can't be assed to hold you for anything less than a violent felony. My favorite time was when i got a month sentence for stealing a chicken sandwich and was redirected into a "community service" program where the hastily trained officer just had us watch inspirational movies (like Casino, wtf) two nights a week until our hours were up. I saw Saved and Pay It Forward during that poo poo, and there's no way in hell you would have got me to watch those otherwise.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:The secret is to live somewhere where the jail is constantly so overflowing that they can't be assed to hold you for anything less than a violent felony. My favorite time was when i got a month sentence for stealing a chicken sandwich and was redirected into a "community service" program where the hastily trained officer just had us watch inspirational movies (like Casino, wtf) two nights a week until our hours were up. I saw Saved and Pay It Forward during that poo poo, and there's no way in hell you would have got me to watch those otherwise. I remember I missed class because of it and had to report it in nursing school. Thankfully, the board didn't care too much because of pretrial diversion. But there are far stronger black people than I. Because living that life is them every day.
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blackguy32 posted:I remember I missed class because of it and had to report it in nursing school. Thankfully, the board didn't care too much because of pretrial diversion. But there are far stronger black people than I. Because living that life is them every day. The bigger mindfuck is the fact that a lot of them trick themselves into thinking living that way is dope and good in order to escape admitting the fact that it sucks and they really can't see a way out of it, because that's a depressing rear end reality.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/30/opinion/i-am-a-dangerous-professor.htmlquote:I Am a Dangerous Professor
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What did you guys think of the Trevor Noah interview with Tomi Lahren? I wish he would have torn into her more. I've had some similar conversations with some friends and it's hard trying to get them to see something they don't want to.
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Gaunab posted:What did you guys think of the Trevor Noah interview with Tomi Lahren? I wish he would have torn into her more. I've had some similar conversations with some friends and it's hard trying to get them to see something they don't want to. I heard good things about it, but didn't want to have to actually subject myself to her voice any more than I had to. Is it worth it?
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Gaunab posted:What did you guys think of the Trevor Noah interview with Tomi Lahren? I wish he would have torn into her more. I've had some similar conversations with some friends and it's hard trying to get them to see something they don't want to. This is the main consensus I've been getting from my friends. All I can think is that Trevor is a comedian, not a journalist, and wasn't thinking about pinning her rear end to the wall with the poo poo she said. He was attempting to be humorous more than anything. My FB was, due to algorithms, 10:1 "She kept dodging the obvious questions about race" vs "Those sneaky liberals are all alike blaming racism on white people". I'm not sure how that equivalent but there you go.  Raw Story posted:Later in the segment, Noah asked Lahren if she’s intentionally trying to be incendiary with her claims, particularly her assertion that Black Lives Matter is the new Ku Klux Klan.
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Hey that cop that shot Walter Scott in the back is going to at least get a mistrial because of one racist fuckstick on the jury http://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/jury-says-it-s-deadlocked-trial-officer-who-shot-walter-n691291
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zegermans posted:Hey that cop that shot Walter Scott in the back is going to at least get a mistrial because of one racist fuckstick on the jury That's super lovely. I mean at least it's just one guy and not old school "they deliberated for five minutes and came back unanimously not guilty" like in the old days. Still blows though.  If they mistrial they can retry can't they?
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Lightning Knight posted:That's super lovely. Yea they will try it to an all new jury. The juror apparently said he can't vote not guilty but he also couldn't tel the family of the victim that his killer is going free quote:I still cannot, without a reasonable doubt, convict the defendant. At the same time my heart does not want to have to tell the Scott family that the man that killed their son, father, and brother is innocent. Prosecutors agreed to a manslaughter charge as well EwokEntourage fucked around with this message at 07:07 on Dec 3, 2016 |
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