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Either Star Marine is enabled for multiplayer to Evocati or it's not. The only evidence so far that it is, is the GIF from a new reddit account, it seems odd that both Derek and TheAgent say it's not when it would be trivial for a hardcore Citizen, or CIG to prove them wrong. If it's not enabled for multiplayer then where did the GIF come from? The video the GIF was based on must have come from CIG, even someone hacking the files for offline can't show other players. Let's all take firm positions one way or the other on this, I bet multiplayer Star Marine isn't enabled as that's funny.
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Dec 1, 2016 15:30
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AP posted:Either Star Marine is enabled for multiplayer to Evocati or it's not. It's a GIF made from a series of individual Photoshopped images. If they were serious, they would have posted a video instead. And CIG's own silence on the matter, is the only answer you need as to whether or not SM is already enabled for play in 2.6
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Dec 1, 2016 15:30
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I don't think they can release the full version of Squadron 42 in the first quarter of 2017, but if CIG wanted to they could release the prologue demo (contains a few missions that set up the story line for the main campaign). Originally the intention was to show the prologue at Citizencon but CIG barely missed the deadline (suggesting that the prologue was already almost ready for prime time). The original 2016 release date was based on the assumption that all available resources would be focused on the development of Squadron 42 and that Star Citizen itself would be placed on the back burner. As we've all seen that's not really what happened. Massive amounts of dev hours have been spent on new PU features and technologies which has logically slowed down the Squadron 42 development process (you can find dev comments stating how programmers were mainly focused on the PU and not the single player campaign). This is THE main reason why Squadron 42 is delayed and I can say it with some certainty since we have reliable sources that confirm it. Personally I'm most excited for Star Citizen 3.0 which should be arriving in Q1 2017 (my personal estimate, CIG still says it'll come out this year). 3.0 will give us a ton of cool poo poo like planetary landings and procedural missions. 3.0 will the ultimate proof that Star Citizen, as imagined by Chris, can be done.
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Dec 1, 2016 15:33
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MoMA if you just said that the game isn't very good right now you could go after Derek and how wrong he's been over the past few days. Most of Derek's arguments have to do with him having SUPER SECRET SPEC-OP DOUBLE AGENT MOLES and if you could just discredit that you could finally be on the other end of a nice meltdown for once. People like Agent and AP don't mind being wrong but for Derek it results in a catastrophic disaster (hilarity) every time.
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Dec 1, 2016 15:36
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D_Smart posted:It's a GIF made from a series of individual Photoshopped images. If they were serious, they would have posted a video instead. This makes MoMA flipping out so much weirder and dumber. Which is an achievement, because it was already weird to do and super loving dumb.
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Dec 1, 2016 15:36
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D_Smart posted:It's a GIF made from a series of individual Photoshopped images. If they were serious, they would have posted a video instead. I don't think it's faked, the attention to detail and CIG production standards is too good. Just look at the guy clipping through the stairs on the right, that's the kind of minor detail most people would leave out.  
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Dec 1, 2016 15:37
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D_Smart posted:It's a GIF made from a series of individual Photoshopped images. 
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Dec 1, 2016 15:39
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Why doesn't someone just see if that clip is from the livestream?
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Dec 1, 2016 15:42
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thatguy posted:MoMA if you just said that the game isn't very good right now you could go after Derek and how wrong he's been over the past few days. Most of Derek's arguments have to do with him having SUPER SECRET SPEC-OP DOUBLE AGENT MOLES and if you could just discredit that you could finally be on the other end of a nice meltdown for once. People like Agent and AP don't mind being wrong but for Derek it results in a catastrophic disaster (hilarity) every time. I have trouble keeping up with half of what Derek says because I get stuck on trying to figure out what's true and what is him just spinning out bullshit to gently caress with this thread, Reddit and CIG in equal measure. I figure there's no real point keeping up cause if he's right he'll let us know he called it and if he's wrong someone will demand he recognise he was wrong and I can just nod my head and go "Oh okay" Even this gif thing I don't even know what the gently caress.
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Dec 1, 2016 15:43
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TheLastRoboKy posted:This makes MoMA flipping out so much weirder and dumber. Which is an achievement, because it was already weird to do and super loving dumb. Him and the Shitizen contingent are flipping out in various meltdowns because CIG - once again - gave me material to point and laugh at. They really didn't think CIG would do something as dumb (<--- LOL!!) as releasing a 2.6 build to testing sans Star Marine. That's why he was all gloating when word came out that invites had been sent out. Then the reality of the situation (SM missing in action) settled in. I'm glad of it.  The funniest part? They released 2.5x under the guise of 2.6. It basically only contains the flight model changes and other smaller tweaks which they've discussed and shown in their lovely videos these past months. This is what they promised for 2.6, and which is supposed to go live this month. It's not. Like, at all. 
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Dec 1, 2016 15:43
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AP posted:I don't think it's faked, the attention to detail and CIG production standards is too good. What I mean by it's fake is that they they extracted the frames and manipulated them, then made a GIF from those individual images. By all accounts, that GIF is constructed from images extracted from one of the live stream videos. That's why parts of it look nothing like the video Parias released. Again, this is simple. All CIG has to do is come out and say, yeah, SM is active in 2.6 for Evocati testing. But guess what? When they DO enable it and push an active build, that's when they're going to come out with an official statement. I can almost guarantee it. Just wait. Two Weeks.
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Dec 1, 2016 15:45
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Propagandist posted:Why doesn't someone just see if that clip is from the livestream? it's not.
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D_Smart posted:What I mean by it's fake is that they they extracted the frames and manipulated them, then made a GIF from those individual images.
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Dec 1, 2016 15:47
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Moma is a funny and good poster and his chastisement of beer was so powerful I would be surprised if Beer didn't spit blood and almost die.
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Dec 1, 2016 15:48
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D_Smart posted:By all accounts, that GIF is constructed from images extracted from one of the live stream videos. That's why parts of it look nothing like the video Parias released. The UI is the livestream is way different.
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Dec 1, 2016 15:48
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If we are taking stands I'm going with they released a buggy and broken star marine to avocado that is so poo poo that even avocados don't want to talk about it.
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Dec 1, 2016 15:49
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A Neurotic Corncob posted:it's not. I was reading a post elsewhere (I think it was on FDev) where someone pointed out why they think it's from the live stream. Regardless, it's definitely not from the files in the 2.6 Evocati leaked build. All you have to do to confirm this, is compare that GIF to the video Parias released which is in fact based on pre-existing files - and is a video, not a GIF. Also, how interesting is it that with all this SM talk going on, this Evocati tested decided to make a video of 2.6 glitches, and not SM? Yeah.
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Decrepus posted:Moma is a funny and good poster and his chastisement of beer was so powerful I would be surprised if Beer didn't spit blood and almost die. I was chastised?
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Dec 1, 2016 15:50
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tooterfish posted:I feel fine about giving smaller studios a lot more leeway tbh. 
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Dec 1, 2016 15:50
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Star Marine is the defining aspect of 2.6. Example: http://imperialnews.network/2016/10/starmarine/ INN posted:Star Citizen Alpha 2.6 will feature the long awaited launch of Star Marine... There's amazing mental gymnastics from some posters on the F:D Star Citizen Thread that its plausible a developer might not know if Star Marine is in 2.6 or not. I just can't see it. I'm sure its big news in the company. They've also tried to shift the narrative from "Star Marine is not in 2.6" as meaning its not accessible or playable to "Derek said Star Marine does not exist but it does, you've just got to hack the game and you can run around the levels." Its some kind of crazy to even call that Star Marine without multiplayer interaction using server and network code. If Star Marine turns up in a later build I'd call that out as being 2.7 as its a significant update.
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AP posted:The UI is the livestream is way different. Yes, I am aware of that. But here is the thing. Either they made so much UI progress since then, or they didn't. So if you compare the UI in the GIF to Parias' video, which do you think is the current (hint: that would be the latter). This is all pointless anyway, SM isn't enabled in 2.6 for gameplay. That's basically the long and short of it. It's a fine hill to die on, and I'm already at the top and have no intentions of changing my stance on this.
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alphabettitouretti posted:This is the lamest loving attempt at a burn. Imagine posting this unironically. I love this list because the promise of Star Citizen is never the reality of Star Citizen.  Even basic things like being "grounded" in your wank pod with a timer. This mechanic was never in any explanation of how things in the game will work. How about the GTA stars limit for being "naughty"? Was this anywhere in their design that Chris stammered out? All of these placeholder items that they never fleshed out and continue to be built upon are what the end product is going to resemble. It will be a mash of "well here's what we kinda threw in there" with them claiming that getting a wanted level, and then going to push a button somewhere constitutes the deep and immersive "hacking" mechanic. Eventually you will get to press use on rocks on a planet maybe, and this will be "mining". You already have your highly detailed spaceman life simulator. With oxygen in blood streams and all that. What is it? Oh, you press a button and your guy stabs a syringe into his arm through whatever he's wearing and you heal. Go ahead and justify how awesome and immersive it is and that playing doctor is everything you hoped for. All these promises will never be realized, and the only thing people can do is try to justify the huge lie vs the grim reality of what eventually makes it into the game. Even with their half-assed mechanics, they're looking at another 20+ years of development. 100s of Star systems? Haha! They're still on 1, 5 years in. When do you think the pipelines will kick in? Before or after an artist is hand placing crabs on a procedural planet? Do they realize how impossible of a task that is, even for a single planet? No, of they don't. That's what makes this a magical experience for everybody. Also each time they justify poo poo mechanic D in place of Chris Roberts highly detailed dissertation on the subject instead of getting angry about the huge deviation, they shoot themselves in the foot. CIG is just going to point at you guys when they suddenly declare Star Citizen done and say "look at all these guys totally happy with this cobbled together poo poo! Thousands of hours of gameplay they say!" 
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If you take out all the junk before the gameplay starts it still leaves 500 frames to edit. Even if you consider that probably half of them are duplicates because Star Citizen doesn't run at 60 FPS that's 250 frames to manually edit in Photoshop.
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Dec 1, 2016 15:54
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I was chastised? Get on our level.
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D_Smart posted:Yes, I am aware of that. But here is the thing. Either they made so much UI progress since then, or they didn't. So if you compare the UI in the GIF to Parias' video, which do you think is the current (hint: that would be the latter). That's going to make it a lot harder to claim you were right if you do turn out to be wrong but it will be funnier when you do it anyway, so win-win I guess.
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TheLastRoboKy posted:This makes MoMA flipping out so much weirder and dumber. Which is an achievement, because it was already weird to do and super loving dumb. I figure moma had a meltdown because he figured out his secret source was good for maybe 2 hours warning of something about to happen and in the end he figured out he's been lied to again. He also bought an Idris and Javelin over the sale weekend, so must be loving pissed with himself for being conned yet again. His secret source at CIG is probably in QA and laughing at what a gullible idiot he is. I might be wrong, but I bet I'm close to the truth.
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lazorexplosion posted:Like does anyone think there will still be people making the pointless dull repetitive trips Kareah if you can just jump straight to Star Marine to shoot people? Their own design by their own design kills participation in their own world. It's bizarre and stupid. Its somehting lots of MMo face one day or another. People clamor for "More stuff to do" all the time, but Mmos that give to this demand too easily end up with a very dilute playerbase, causing people to post about "nobody doing X content now, cant find any groups" on the forum and in game chat. This discourage new players while the older whales clamor for still "more stuff to do", starting a vicious cycle like the one that Everquest end game suffered. The smart MMOs allow for all players to participate in most content and make rewards interesting for everyone. The old title "City of Heroes" had this anchored in its base design and this allowed it to survive for a very long time. You could bring a Level 1 to a level 50 raid and while he would not be the MVP, he would survive and have fun and the next day you could raid a level 5 dungeon as a level 50 and still get, if not incredible, level approriate rewards. EVE also have this figured, all ship class, from cheap frigates to $texas mothership having a role to play in end game content. Elite also do this, as you can explore the galaxy in a slightly pimped out Sidewinder or a very costly *Conda. Cant wait to see how CIG will tackle the problem since it cant be solved by selling more ships.
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King of Cheeses posted:Star Marine is the defining aspect of 2.6. There is that. As I said over there: quote:
For my part, if they intended to release SM as part of 2.6, it stands to reason that the assets would already be included in the build. That's just standard practice. Since it's not yet ready for testing, they didn't enable it - yet. That's pretty much the long and short of it. What's left to be seen is if they are going to enable it any time soon, and whether or not 2.6 goes live by year end. I'm betting that it won't; and that it would be in testing through to the end of the year. Unless CIG decide to ignore all the blockers and release it anyway. Then continue to release 2.6.x or even 2.7 in the new year; even as 3.0 remains all but a memory. They're hosed. Completely.
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thatguy posted:If you take out all the junk before the gameplay starts it still leaves 500 frames to edit. Even if you consider that probably half of them are duplicates because Star Citizen doesn't run at 60 FPS that's 250 frames to manually edit in Photoshop. Yes - or they edited it "in place"
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If SM was actually out and playable in any form aside from hacking it into the game .... don't you think there would be a howl of delight from the backers ? NDA aside there would be so many people willing to risk their account being deleted simply to prove all the evil smarties wrong They'd even spin it with a "well I can just buy another completionist package anyways I don't care if they ban me" 
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D_Smart posted:This is all pointless anyway, SM isn't enabled in 2.6 for gameplay. That's basically the long and short of it. It's a fine hill to die on, and I'm already at the top and have no intentions of changing my stance on this. I disagree, I think you thought the 20k coffee machine was a minor thing and buried it in the middle of a blog. This shows intent, if Star Marine multiplayer isn't enabled, if CIG produced the source video for the GIF internally then how did it leak as part of a deception to let idiots like moma think that multiplayer Star Marine was enabled? Who benefits most if Citizens think there's more progress happening than there is, with a sale coming up in December?
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D_Smart posted:Yes - or they edited it "in place"
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Reading over that spreadsheet of stretch goals. (Mind you it doesn't include the million other things promised in the various 10 for the Chairmen etc, I noticed the Crucible. I do not recall anything about the machine so I look it up. quote:A so-called “flying toolbox,” the Crucible is the ship you want on your side when you suffer an asteroid collision or survive a pirate attack! Structurally, the Crucible consists of a cockpit, drive unit and workshop. The Crucible’s workshop is versatile: it can be used as a base for conducting EVA repairs (complete with requisite tool storage) or it can use magnetic grapplers to attach directly to a ship hull. In this situation, the workshop actually opens to space and allows a repair crew direct access to a damaged ship. The workshop can either maintain artificial gravity or allow for zero-g repair operations, depending on the needs of the mission. The Crucible’s cockpit is also outfitted with an array of repair tools, including dual purpose mounts that can exchange weapons for tractor beams and remote manipulator arms. Ahahahahaah. Never change RSI.
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Did they remove the rotation of the station rings? Is this the kind of thing moma meant when he was talking about regression.
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Starmarine is definitely the most expensive FPS ever published. I mean, 45 USD for a 4VS4 basic deathmacth/capture the flag fps. Elo ranks ? Matchmaking ? What are those ?
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D_Smart posted:So if you compare the UI in the GIF to Parias' video, which do you think is the current (hint: that would be the latter). The UI in the bottom right changes depending what armour you have on, so they are very close.
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thatguy posted:I would be more inclined to believe that Chris Roberts himself loaded up Star Marine and recorded and posted that video. Not likely.
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Unless you're some cinematic CryEngine/Photoshop/After Effects magician you aren't going to be faking something like that. The only logical answer is that Derek and all his "sources" are wrong and/or lying (hilarious) or someone from CIG made this (even more hilarious) to gently caress with people.
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