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zegermans posted:I was under the impression that the DEA hasn't been GeStaPo'ing their way through legalized states in spite of their legal right to do so because of Obama? yeah that's what I thought too but apparently obama is now A Bad President so even when he did right he is still wrong
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zegermans posted:I was under the impression that the DEA hasn't been GeStaPo'ing their way through legalized states in spite of their legal right to do so because of Obama? Where you in a coma during the first 4 years of Obama? The DEA (thanks to the Obama admin and people like Holder) was raiding and incarcerating dispensaries and growers left and right. This is what led to the total legalization in places like Colorado. UHD posted:yeah that's what I thought too He was a bad president. The country is no better off than it was 8 years ago (unless you're wealthy, of course) and now the few pitiful things he did get around to passing are going to get deleted by the Republicans.
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Dec 1, 2016 16:09
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"States' rights" only means states rights when it's about segregation and voting laws.
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Dec 1, 2016 16:14
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Keith gets it https://twitter.com/keithellison/status/804335807091933184
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Dec 1, 2016 16:18
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:This is what led to the total legalization in places like Colorado. So what you're saying is that he was an accelerationist who got things done?
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Keith is a good guy. I hope we see more people like him come forward for the good of the country.
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I like Keith but he really needs to come up with a good answer for his Farrakhan dealings otherwise he's going to fall into the emailghazi trap of "WHY CAN'T THEY KEEP THEIR STORY STRAIGHT?!"
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zegermans posted:So what you're saying is that he was an accelerationist who got things done? What I'm saying is you're an idiot if you think Obama did anything meaningful to stop the stupid war on drugs.
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Dec 1, 2016 16:20
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zegermans posted:I like Keith but he really needs to come up with a good answer for his Farrakhan dealings otherwise he's going to fall into the emailghazi trap of "WHY CAN'T THEY KEEP THEIR STORY STRAIGHT?!" I feel like there's only 2 approaches on this one: Trump method: deny reality, say it never happened and you can't prove otherwise Honesty: Yep, that happened and I acknowledge it but at the same time that's not me anymore because people change.
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ThinkProgress has a good interview with him up today: https://thinkprogress.org/keith-ellisons-plan-to-save-the-democratic-party-organize-organize-organize-c983a27486df#.f8n2sky84
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Serf posted:I feel like there's only 2 approaches on this one: I agree, I'm just saying he needs to the latter, and soon - maybe do a press conference or something before there's a DNC vote just to get it out there. It would be a good test of his messaging ability.
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zegermans posted:I like Keith but he really needs to come up with a good answer for his Farrakhan dealings otherwise he's going to fall into the emailghazi trap of "WHY CAN'T THEY KEEP THEIR STORY STRAIGHT?!" nah that's not likely to happen. Only Hillary fell in the emailghazi trap.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:nah that's not likely to happen. Only Hillary fell in the emailghazi trap. Yes she's the only person who wasn't able to give a single succinct catch-all response to head off a complex, evolving situation. Anyway lets save this post for when we get NYT articles in March about Ellison's past being Bad Optics.
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Serf posted:I feel like there's only 2 approaches on this one: Third approach: admit you believe in the Nation of Islam and say that we must restart the space program in a big way to reinvent a mother wheel so that we can put Americans to work creating mountains. This will help fix climate change as we re-balance the earth. And I get that Chomsky isn't infallible and he has apparently had some problems, but his spreading his work would definitely help more Democrats come around on foreign policy that isn't constantly committing heinous war crimes. Think of it like this: socialist and communist parties spread material all throughout the US. Most people didn't dig all of the pamphlets, but the spread of the views in them helped us get some good stuff done.
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Fiction posted:"States' rights" only means states rights when it's about segregation and voting laws. To be fair, states rights also led to marijuana legalization, gay marriage early on in several states, etc.
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zegermans posted:Yes she's the only person who wasn't able to give a single succinct catch-all response to head off a complex, evolving situation. He's already a congressman. The first Muslim to be elected to congress actually. It's irrelevant to his constituents and the people that he works for in the party. Only weird hypocrites would concern troll something like this and ignore everything bad dear abuela did.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:He's already a congressman. The first Muslim to be elected to congress actually. It's irrelevant to his constituents and the people that he works for in the party. Only weird hypocrites would concern troll something like this and ignore everything bad dear abuela did. Have you seen the current state of the American media? They are all concern trolls, almost to a man.
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in other keith news the afl-cio is considering endorsing him which probably means tom perez is not gonna throw his hat into the ring http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/keith-ellison-dnc-aflcio-labor-232040 i honestly don't think there's gonna be a major labor union left for the other candidates to get the support of and if the dnc committee decides to elect someone with no labor union endorsements lol just lol
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zen death robot posted:Who the hell didn't know what a fish fry was? just change the thread title to "'The gently caress is a fish fry?' -- Fulchrum" so people don't have to keep asking
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Alter Ego posted:Have you seen the current state of the American media? They are all concern trolls, almost to a man. I was referring to certain goons suddenly "concerned" that real progressives (which are backed by Sanders) are suddenly taking leadership roles.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:I was referring to certain goons suddenly "concerned" that real progressives (which are backed by Sanders) are suddenly taking leadership roles. It's mostly because you assume the media's treatment of Clinton was because she was a horrible human being, while we recognize that we live in a post-facts world were a progressive will get the same treatment.
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Dec 1, 2016 16:48
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The idea that we can't push on both economic and social issues was always a canard put forth by people in the pocket of finance.
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zegermans posted:I like Keith but he really needs to come up with a good answer for his Farrakhan dealings otherwise he's going to fall into the emailghazi trap of "WHY CAN'T THEY KEEP THEIR STORY STRAIGHT?!" Jesus loving Christ.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:I was referring to certain goons suddenly "concerned" that real progressives (which are backed by Sanders) are suddenly taking leadership roles. Keith Ellison is going to be DNC chair; even Chuck Schumer got the message early and said he'd support him. I hope he's capable, because I'd love to see a Democratic Party that actually gives a poo poo.
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I like how Obama was blasted for being black, yet did nothing progressive or helpful for the black community while president. He left them in the dust. All the rage from Reps with none if the benefits for Dems and minorities. Actually, uh...what has Obama accomplished? I genuinely can't think of much other than Obamacare, and all of the good stuff (SSM, LGBT non-discrimination, etc.) was by the Justice Department, State legislatures, or cabinet members. Which, uh, we've completely lost. What is his legacy, anyway?
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zen death robot posted:Who the hell didn't know what a fish fry was? Fulchrum
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Pollyanna posted:I like how Obama was blasted for being black, yet did nothing progressive or helpful for the black community while president. He left them in the dust. All the rage from Reps with none if the benefits for Dems and minorities. He was the first president that wasn't white. And the (soon to be nonexistent) ACÁ
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thats weird, i cant find the other 12 followup tweets where he explains that actually the economic message is more important, and social justice flows from economic justice. he just left it at that, weird
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:He was the first president that wasn't white. And the (soon to be nonexistent) ACÁ im the accent on the second A
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Pollyanna posted:What is his legacy, anyway? It's looking like his legacy is his efforts to have a good legacy destroying his legacy
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bump_fn posted:im the accent on the second A I thought there was something on my monitor
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bump_fn posted:im the accent on the second A acá is spanish for "here" and i agree
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zegermans posted:It's mostly because you assume the media's treatment of Clinton was because she was a horrible human being, while we recognize that we live in a post-facts world were a progressive will get the same treatment. He's already a congressman. I don't think shits gonna come up to sink him because it would have sunk him when he ran for congress. It didn't sink him. Now he's running to be the DNC chair, a position that's less "visible" than the position of congressman. I doubt he NYT is going to write an emailghazi (whatever that means) story about his past connections with some dude from the Nation of Islam.
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Pollyanna posted:What is his legacy, anyway? Taking a country that was losing 300,000 jobs PER MONTH into 8 years of positive job numbers.
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Pollyanna posted:I like how Obama was blasted for being black, yet did nothing progressive or helpful for the black community while president. He left them in the dust. All the rage from Reps with none if the benefits for Dems and minorities. freed lots of non-violent drug offenders, which provides argument fuel for actual progressives to pass drug law reforms that he's too spineless to support himself other than that and obamacare and the ability to talk coherently in public not much
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The ACA will be remembered as the foot in the door that put us on the path to a reasonable healthcare system. The genie is out of the bottle in the sense that you can't just revoke 20 million people's health insurance and expect the electorate to be happy. It's a lovely model with a ton of problems, but no other system got it right on their first try.
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loquacius posted:I liked the Pappy O'Daniel vs Homer Stokes comparison better So I was feeling a bit under the weather last night so I spent the evening in bed watching O Brother Where Art Thou for the first time in years. And yeah, this is a great comparison. (Pappy refusing to greet a constituent because "We ain't one-at-a-timin', we're MASS COMMUNICATIN'" was particularly on the nose.) Of course, since Brother is a fairy tale, provoking the reform-minded populist into having a public racist meltdown actually doomed his candidacy. ED(it) BALLS DONE R U N N O F T
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zegermans posted:Taking a country that was losing 300,000 jobs PER MONTH into 8 years of positive job numbers. Low paying, zero benefits jobs that will soon be destroyed to the Trump presidency. He could have literally legalized pot and he would have been an amazing president. But now all he did will be lost, sadly.
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