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MiddleOne posted:France is hosed. In the choice between Hitler, Hitler the 2nd and 'Guy who's chances have already been ruined by Hollande' there is basically only one outcome.
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IT's anybody's game now. Grab the popcorn it's gonna get salty.
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:IT's anybody's game now. Grab the popcorn it's gonna get salty. Sorry, in the UK things are about to get sweet.
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YF-23 posted:So does the PS run a primary now? Yes. In january.
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MiddleOne posted:Sorry, in the UK things are about to get sweet. No thanks to Toblerone
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:Yes. In january. So they're basically doomed to get drowned by Trump assuming the presidency and wreaking havoc. Genius.
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dex_sda posted:No thanks to Toblerone It's a British cinema popcorn joke. 
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The ending of a misconceived experiment: https://mobile.twitter.com/GreekAnalyst/status/804412382130778112
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People are seriously considering voting ND back in? I know Syriza completely betrayed them by flinching against Germany in 2015 but this seems ridiculous.
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Take polls with a grain of salt. Especially since it's not election season.
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MiddleOne posted:People are seriously considering voting ND back in? I know Syriza completely betrayed them by flinching against Germany in 2015 but this seems ridiculous. People vote against the last guy who broke everything he touched, not according to ideology, principles, or even the electoral manifesto.
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I'll just go ahead and remind you that, before Trump winning, Brexit winning, Podemos not making second place, Greek polls were the first to have turned out to be massively, big-time wrong on a consistent basis. It's the birthplace of bad polling.
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YF-23 posted:I'll just go ahead and remind you that, before Trump winning, Brexit winning, Podemos not making second place, Greek polls were the first to have turned out to be massively, big-time wrong on a consistent basis. It's the birthplace of bad polling. I guess that's fitting for the birthplace of democracy.
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So France: what's this macron guy like - neoliberal wolf in sheep's clothes, doomed moderate leftist, backstabbing piece of garbage, fascist extraordinaire?
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double nine posted:So France: what's this macron guy like - neoliberal wolf in sheep's clothes, doomed moderate leftist, backstabbing piece of garbage, fascist extraordinaire? Neoliberal wolf...in a business suit, he exists to make sure the center-left has no way to get the second round . Also, there is no way for the "center-left" to cooperate at this point unless PS just complete surrenders and backs Macron. Btw, Macron wants a "de facto" end of the 35 hour work week which puts him economically to the right of Le Pen. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 12:46 on Dec 2, 2016 |
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double nine posted:So France: what's this macron guy like - neoliberal wolf in sheep's clothes, doomed moderate leftist, backstabbing piece of garbage, fascist extraordinaire? There are a few facts about him: _he is from picardie (Amiens), he is the son of a neurologist and his MD wife. His grandma was a school headmistress who had grown up in an illiterate household and he spent a lot of time with her. _he was educated in a JESUIT private school in Amiens and then went to an élite high school Lycée Henri-IV in Paris. Note that JESUIT PRIVATE SCHOOL rarely rhymes with "SOCIALIST CANDIDATE". He got a DEA in philosophy at la defense then went to science po. Then the ENA. So having him painted as an anti system candidate is the most ridiculous thing ever, not that it will stop some in the French press. _he went to the PS under Attali and worked in some commission on economical growth while working at Rotschild bank and becoming millionaire while working on a Nestle/Pfizer deal. _ he married his old high-school french teacher (18 years older them him, i think her children are older than their new father in law) Now do what you want with this knowledge. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 13:10 on Dec 2, 2016 |
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Toplowtech posted:_he is from picardie (Amiens), he is the son of a neurologist and his MD wife. His grandma was a school headmistress who had grown up in an illiterate household and he spent a lot of time with her. Macron is an rear end in a top hat, but those are the worst arguments you could make.
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^^ those aren't arguments AGAINST him; just a brief summary of his life until now, since he is mostly a total unknown value even for the French people, so people kinda need to know where he is from. Also it's actually a lot of good arguments both for and against him for a large part of the population. If he had spent most of his 40s on the political scene, we would know what he is worth before voting for him. You know instead of just "super young minister who hosed Holland and the ps over and is trying to be president now". Kurtofan posted:not sure i like this sequel to Emmanuelle Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 13:28 on Dec 2, 2016 |
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Toplowtech posted:^^ those aren't arguments AGAINST him; just a brief summary of his life until now, since he is mostly a total unknown value even for the French people, so people kinda need to know where he is from. Also it's actually a lot of good arguments both for and against him for a large part of the population. If he had spent most of his 40s on the political scene, we would know what he is worth before voting for him. You know instead of just "super young minister who hosed Holland and the ps over and is trying to be president now". Man, I've been saying for a long time that being conscious of the realities of human existence is, at best, super stressful and it mechanically leads to the contemplation of suicide. Specially politics. This is out of topic and all, but take a breather, go outside, realize that you are 99.9% powerless in all of this and don't let it get to you. Seriously, however mad you are (with reason!) about the Elections, burning out will help nobody, least of all yourself. Stay strong man.
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Dawncloack posted:Stay strong man.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/02/opinions/italy-referendum-preview/index.html By this time on Monday we'll know what Italy will die of: left-wing liberal populism or right-wing fascism populism. (Right now the latter is looking way more likely.)  My personal prediction: NO wins, Renzi resigns, Europe pulls the rug from under the Italian banks which fail, leading to yet another economic downturn, leading to Five-starrers gaining power, leading to them running the country into the ground through their incompetency. Hail satan. You heard it here first, folks. e: accurate depiction of Italian politics right now. 
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I am not sure they will pull the rug out of Italian banks just because of that referendum not going their way. For one, they'd have to contend with a very real possibility of contagion, and Deutsche Bank is very undercapitalized (consider also this and this.), that it has an incredibly big derivatives portfolio etc.etc. Germany will not want to rock that particular boat. I mean, they only closed the liquidity tap on Greek banks because the bailouts had given European banks time to shed the Greek risk and there was an uncooperative government in power. I can't say whether the first is true wrt Italy (though I'd bet it's not) but they don't have MS5 in power yet. And frankly, I am not sure they could pull the same fucker as with Greece, Italy is a G8 economy after all, and so TBTF.
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Mikl posted:e: accurate depiction of Italian politics right now. Tzeentch is Matteo Renzi, Slaanesh is Sylvio Berlusconi, Khorne is Beppe Grillo, but who is Nurgle?
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Recapitalizing Italian banks is not even that expensive (~€40 billion) the issue is that the bailout rules make an orderly process politically toxic because greedy Italians, who bought bank bonds to get higher interest rates, would have to bear losses, something Renzi doens't want.
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double nine posted:So France: what's this macron guy like - neoliberal wolf in sheep's clothes, doomed moderate leftist, backstabbing piece of garbage, fascist extraordinaire? To add to the Macron file: his policies have all completely failed. Take his reform of the transportation business, otherwise known as the "bus Macron" because it opened the way for a ton of bus companies. The initial promise was that it would create about 22000 jobs in that sector. One year later? 1430 jobs created. Because as it turns out we're not the United Kingdom in the mid-80s. Same goes for almost everything he's done in the cabinet, really. A lot of money spent helping private interests and big corporations, and nothing to show for it. But because Hollande is so poo poo, he gets to campaign saying he's not him and get a decent enough following to gently caress up the left's chances. MERITOCRACY IN ACTION!
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ElNarez posted:MERITOCRACY IN ACTION! France owns shares of Renault. Macron wanted to sell half of them but first get Renault to agree that the remaining shares would give twice the voting power, so that the state would get money without losing their part of the boardroom control. To do that, though, he first had to start by buying more share to get enough votes for the decision to pass. And between the moment he made the state buy these shares and the moment the vote had safely passed and he could sell them back, all the fuss and melodrama had lowered the market value of these shares considerably, so it was basically a wash. Congrats Macron, you're so smart! (This story has a bonus: since Renault owns 44% of the shares of Nissan while Nissan in exchange only owns 15% of the shares of Renault and isn't contractually allowed to buy more, despite Nissan being the bigger company of the two, that had the indirect effect of making it look like, when seen from Tokyo, like an attempt to take indirect control of a Japanese company so it was also a minor diplomatic insult.) Everything about Macron is like that. He gets an idea of a "clever hack", but because he overestimate his intellect and knowledge of the issues, it ends up just being a dumb and useless thing that we all would have been better off if it had not been done.
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cebrail posted:Macron is an rear end in a top hat, but those are the worst arguments you could make. Yeah it seems stupid to imply that someone can't be a proper socialist because they went to Catholic school.
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Mikl posted:http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/02/opinions/italy-referendum-preview/index.html Quit being such a chicken little. The banks won't fall just because a referendum won't pass, just like how Renzi won't resign. You'll be fine.
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I don't think you can say whether or not Renzi will resign. Also, calls to stop being a chicken little ring pretty hollow what with what has happened this year. Whether the banks collapse is a different matter; the markets are expecting No to win so if it does it won't be a shock, but it will be a risk.
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I Love Annie May posted:Quit being such a chicken little. The banks won't fall just because a referendum won't pass, just like how Renzi won't resign. You'll be fine. My post was only about 30% serious  but if no wins, Renzi will resign. He's bet too much on this thing.
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What kind of Jesuit schools you have in France?everyone I know that went to one are basically raging social democrats.proper Nordic social democrats not milquetoast third way ones.
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Phlegmish posted:Yeah it seems stupid to imply that someone can't be a proper socialist because they went to Catholic school. quote:What kind of Jesuit schools you have in France? Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Dec 2, 2016 |
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ChainsawCharlie posted:What kind of Jesuit schools you have in France?everyone I know that went to one are basically raging social democrats.proper Nordic social democrats not milquetoast third way ones.
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From a few weeks ago, a funny article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/16/downing-street-must-prepare-for-donald-trump-policy-change-on-sy/ quote:The Trump presidency comes as Britain has already placed billions of pounds worth of orders for American weapons and aircraft. Prof Chalmers said there were now questions about “whether this level of dependency remains acceptable in the new circumstances in which we find ourselves”. Actually it's funny and sad at the same time.
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Cat Mattress posted:From a few weeks ago, a funny article: Watch Britain negotiate a loving not-actually-Brexit.
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blowfish posted:Watch Britain negotiate a loving not-actually-Brexit. I don't think we're going to be that lucky.
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