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Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

What if their entire parent unit is destroyed as well as the CV Task Force? :colbert:




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Velius
Feb 27, 2001

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Your depth charges get better depending on the current year/month.

Otherwise, there's nothing that can be done to "make the entire IJN better at ASW". You just do the best you can, like selecting the best leaders for that work, with the best ships available for it, and set them up in areas where they will be effective/most useful.

Japan has a series of "E" and "Super E" escort ships which are basically DEs that are excellent at ASW. I'm not sure when they start coming online but I've read plenty of AARs where the Japanese player effectively wins the sub war.

Given what we've seen in this game it seems like "winning" the war against the AI is at least possible. The way the game typically goes is the Japanese side runs wild during early '42 when they get a massive bonus to the preparation level of their forces to simulate preplanning. This ends in March or April, after which the Japanese side usually is done with amphibious attacks and establishes defenses and/or finishes offensive actions in Australia or India. Cleaning up the Philippines, DEI, etc may take longer, but the real rate limiting step is planning the amphibious assaults so you don't lose tons of troops on landing.

The game has what are usually called "lines of death" in India, Australia, and the US West coast which trigger emergency reinforcements for the allies. These can include advanced armor and airframes like P-47s and Shermans, which the Japanese player has no response to in '42. So usually players don't trigger them, and even if they're on pace to keep pushing they stop and hunker down.

Given the nature of the Pacific war it seems like a very competent player could win the early carrier battles as Grey did, then succeed in conquering India to block the land route via Burma. Since the AI tends to sacrifice ships piecemeal, blocking island hopping might be possible by maintaining carrier superiority.

This just requires being willing to spend hundreds of hours beating up the AI when you're already really good at the game, which probably isn't that stimulating.

Velius fucked around with this message at 12:55 on Nov 30, 2016

TehKeen
May 24, 2006

Maybe she's born with it.
Maybe it's
cosmoline.



I love this game.

frankenfreak
Feb 16, 2007

I SCORED 85% ON A QUIZ ABOUT MONDAY NIGHT RAW AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY TEXT

#bastionboogerbrigade
I stopped reading after the third .1.

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


Jobbo_Fett posted:

The game is not THAT groggy.

Look who's laughing now! :iit:

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets






The bomber war continues.







The Port Moresby fighters continue to be an annoyance to me.







After months of chasing them hundreds of miles, we finally destroy these units.



I ordered a general offensive across China.



Our losses are down from 14,000 to 10,000 – we are beginning to get somewhere!





ules can

Heavy losses in China are the price I have to pay to wear down that unit, but we have a chance of getting moving again.

OpenlyEvilJello
Dec 28, 2009

30 November 1942

German merchant raider Thor, gutted by fire following an accidental explosion aboard the adjacent Uckermark (formerly Altmark, of Graf Spee fame) at Yokohama.
Japanese destroyer Takanami, sunk by gunfire of US cruisers in the Battle of Tassafaronga.
US cruiser Northampton, sunk by Japanese torpedoes in the Battle of Tassafaronga. Cruisers Minneapolis and New Orleans suffered the loss of their bows (just forward of the first and second turret, respectively) in this engagement, while cruiser Pensacola was also heavily damaged by a torpedo hit.

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


OpenlyEvilJello posted:

30 November 1942

Cruisers Minneapolis and New Orleans suffered the loss of their bows (just forward of the first and second turret, respectively) in this engagement, while cruiser Pensacola was also heavily damaged by a torpedo hit.

Front_fell_off.flv

Yooper
Apr 30, 2012


My great-grandfather was an aerial photographer in the Pacific theatre. I was digging through some boxes and came upon a few of his photos. I guess my great uncle has thousands like this, so I'm going to hit him up and see if he can digitize them. The names on the ships are too small to read, but I can definitely pick out Japanese characters on the stern.















No idea about the bear, it was mixed in with the rest.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Yooper posted:



No idea about the bear, it was mixed in with the rest.

It should be obvious.

That's a photo of the Kuma. :rimshot:

Mikl
Nov 8, 2009

Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!
That's clearly a Soviet secret weapon.

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
Poor bear.

Reuben Sandwich
Jan 27, 2007

OpenlyEvilJello posted:

30 November 1942

Japanese destroyer Takanami, sunk by gunfire of US cruisers in the Battle of Tassafaronga.
US cruiser Northampton, sunk by Japanese torpedoes in the Battle of Tassafaronga. Cruisers Minneapolis and New Orleans suffered the loss of their bows (just forward of the first and second turret, respectively) in this engagement, while cruiser Pensacola was also heavily damaged by a torpedo hit.
I remember as a little kid my grand-uncle, who served on the Minneapolis, talk about how that night and off Okinawa were the most terrified he was during the war.

uPen
Jan 25, 2010

Zu Rodina!

Grey Hunter posted:




Our losses are down from 14,000 to 10,000 – we are beginning to get somewhere!

Sir! Losses are down from 10 men per minute to a mere 7, we will win this war!

ratchild13
Apr 28, 2006

Fun Shoe
Here's some historical info on the BBs!
http://imgur.com/gallery/ycUYt

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


Why does it feel like they just copy-pasted the Wikipedia entries?

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Crazycryodude posted:

Why does it feel like they just copy-pasted the Wikipedia entries?

" Ok, so this ship never gave up. What a slugger. It's not done yet so read the rest if you want: #World_War_II_.281944.E2.80.931945.29">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Wisconsin_(BB-64)#World_War_II_.281944.E2.80.931945.29"

They literally did, and said as much

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


Yeah I'll admit I didn't read that far, this one's on me.

OpenlyEvilJello
Dec 28, 2009

Yooper posted:

My great-grandfather was an aerial photographer in the Pacific theatre. I was digging through some boxes and came upon a few of his photos. I guess my great uncle has thousands like this, so I'm going to hit him up and see if he can digitize them. The names on the ships are too small to read, but I can definitely pick out Japanese characters on the stern.

These are excellent, thank you. Looks like part of the Japanese operations to reinforce Guadalcanal.

Reuben Sandwich posted:

I remember as a little kid my grand-uncle, who served on the Minneapolis, talk about how that night and off Okinawa were the most terrified he was during the war.

No kidding. Tassafaronga had to be just awful for him. Thank goodness he made it out ok.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

Yooper posted:

My great-grandfather was an aerial photographer in the Pacific theatre. I was digging through some boxes and came upon a few of his photos. I guess my great uncle has thousands like this, so I'm going to hit him up and see if he can digitize them. The names on the ships are too small to read, but I can definitely pick out Japanese characters on the stern.



No idea about the bear, it was mixed in with the rest.

This is super cool, thanks for sharing. I really like this photo in particular and I don't quite know how to put into words why. I'm by no means knowledgeable in the Pacific but I would agree that at a glance it certainly looks like Guadalcanal supply runs.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets






Our planes get another hit in.



Erm? An actual Allied invasion?
They put 25 men ashore who then surrender later on without a combat log.







We hit Hankow again, and our losses drop to 8k – but that may be because so many people died yesterday.



An attack on Nannig does well.






The Allies actually invaded somewhere! Poorly, but its a start.





Graph time! And oh look, no one put their money where their mouth is and made any better graphs, so you get my gud graphs.



Yeah, this was a good month.




The Empire is not really expanding at the moment, but we've had other things to think about.



Ground casualties have remained steady.



Now we get to the good stuff, we lost 270 planes this month, but the allies lost 481. Most of these were carrier based planes.



Though the fog of war is thicker for warships, we still claimed 45 kills for 18 losses this month. That's with most of the suspected carrier kills unconfirmed.



Needs more confirmed CV's.



Now this is a pretty graph – 1,862 points worth of Allied shipping sunk in a month.



Here is the status of the shipyards. I've stopped most of the useless CVE's and I'm concentrating on the big ships.

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Congrats! Pretty successful month. What are the odds you took out the Lexington and the Enterprise? Reasonably sure on that or there a chance they could have managed to slip away even with all the damage they took given I assume you've still been searching in the area wtih your surface fleets the last couple of days with no contacts?

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012


8 days until Musashi. :japan:

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.


Man, what did you lose and then retake in your Allied game?

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


PittTheElder posted:

Man, what did you lose and then retake in your Allied game?

IIRC that big dip was when Grey patched his game and it temporarily wigged out.

AceRimmer
Mar 18, 2009
So did a whole platoon of Marines just defect to the Empire? :confused:
Things are going to get weirder than the Iwo Jima disaster in this LP I think.

TehKeen
May 24, 2006

Maybe she's born with it.
Maybe it's
cosmoline.


McGavin posted:

8 days until Musashi. :japan:

My ship :swoon:

I hope she gets into at least one big fight before the end of the war, even if she has to go down doing it. :allears:

Mycroft Holmes
Mar 26, 2010

by Azathoth
i really want this LP to end and then grey reveals he's spent the past 4 years coding a mod to WitP that turns the game into a Call of Cthulhu strategy game involving Eniwetok and tokyo bay fortress.

Katznmaus
May 29, 2013

Grey Hunter posted:

Graph time! And oh look, no one put their money where their mouth is and made any better graphs, so you get my gud graphs.
:golfclap:
Tried to fix that.

Mycroft Holmes
Mar 26, 2010

by Azathoth
in this timeline, its space battleship north carolina.

A Festivus Miracle
Dec 19, 2012

I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

No new carrier reinforcements for the next 14 months. I trust Grey will take care of his existing carriers with only the utmost care.

Dunno-Lars
Apr 7, 2011
:norway:

:iiam:



A White Guy posted:

No new carrier reinforcements for the next 14 months. I trust Grey will take care of his existing carriers with only the utmost care.

They are safe at the bottom of the sea, don't you worry!

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.
Are they deep enough that illegal salvagers can't get at them? :v:

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

Mycroft Holmes posted:

i really want this LP to end and then grey reveals he's spent the past 4 years coding a mod to WitP that turns the game into a Call of Cthulhu strategy game involving Eniwetok and tokyo bay fortress.

I keep wondering if I should just run a Call of Cthulhu/Trail of Cthulhu PBP game to answer the mysteries of Eniwetok and TBF once and for all.....

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets






The Allies put more men ashore at Luganville – will we get a fight today?



What looks like a new squadron of Liberators supports the attack.



They also roll out Escorts, which are new.



Poor buggers – I've left Luganville well defended as its such an obvious target. Attrition wipes them out in the clean-up phase.







Clunk!







Oh god, I forgot to cancel this attack. Sorry pixeltruppen, the wife and child are sick again and I'm forgetting things. 7,000 of you paid for this mistake.



On the plus side, we get a measure of revenge as we finally take Nanning.







First thing first, cancel attack in Hankow. Sorry guys!



Secondly, the carriers are home, 22 days to repair them all, but two weeks if I'm willing the bring the Shokaku down a week later. (the others are having minor repairs done).

HannibalBarca
Sep 11, 2016

History shows, again and again, how nature points out the folly of man.
those poor bastards in Hankow :negative:

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


Did the Allies just try to land an unsupported base force and nothing else at Luganville? I don't think these are invasions so much as defections...

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Crazycryodude posted:

Did the Allies just try to land an unsupported base force and nothing else at Luganville? I don't think these are invasions so much as defections...

An unsupported Royal New Zealand Air Force base force. :psyduck:

A couple dozen Kiwi clerks and mechanics were just chucked at thousands of prepared Japanese marines.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
The AI learned that trick from Grey when he was running the Allies

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OpenlyEvilJello
Dec 28, 2009

1 December 1942

Australian minesweeper Armidale, sunk by aircraft off Timor.

2 December 1942

Italian destroyer Folgore, sunk off Cape Bon along with four Bizerte-bound transports by RN cruisers and destroyers.
British destroyer Quentin, sunk by German aircraft following the above engagement.
Italian torpedo boat Lupo, sunk by British destroyers in the Gulf of Gabes.

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