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I'm fine with people only really knowing how to play one character well since I'm kinda in the same boat, but if the one character you know how to play is one of the worse ones in the game maybe it's time to learn someone new.
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You should learn at least one damage/tank/support. Doesn't take too long tbqh, a lot of stuff carries over between heros
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wowow getting this $15 20m ethernet cable was one of the best investments i've had, my ping is more consistent and now my aim on ana's improved from 60% towards 70% also got two more ana potgs, feelsgoodman
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IronicDongz posted:You should learn at least one damage/tank/support. Doesn't take too long tbqh, a lot of stuff carries over between heros Last night I had a guy in one of my placement matches who absolutely refused to play anything but DPS and spent 3 straight points of KOTH having an argument with another guy on our team who wanted to run a triple tank comp but also refused to play tank. It was the single most unpleasant game of Overwatch I've had in a while.
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You can probably play something like Mercy to a passable standard if you have basic position skills.
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Elliotw2 posted:I'm fine with people only really knowing how to play one character well since I'm kinda in the same boat, but if the one character you know how to play is one of the worse ones in the game maybe it's time to learn someone new. Hell I'm fine with them playing a bad character if they're drat good in general. I've seen plenty of 3000+ players run Torb/Bastion and absolutely crush the opposition. My problem is the 52% Win-Rate Torb on Eichenwalde offense who talks smugly about his gold medals because he doesn't loving realize all he's doing is picking off over-extenders while never pushing for the point. Duck and Cover posted:My point is stop blaming the torb/hanzo/whatever and focus on winning through playing better. I'm not playing rock paper scissors and am not switching just because some rear end in a top hat thinks I'm being "countered". I'm going to play whatever I feel like which more often then not is torb. I can play the majority of heroes just fine, because most heroes have a deliberately low ceiling/floor. If you don't think you're being countered then you don't understand the basic concepts of this game at all. Competition mode is for actually trying, not for running a single class that makes you feel good because you can reliably get headshots (Hint: the map objective is more important than headshots.) This is why Hanzo/Widow/Torb give everyone else the feelbads. Those classes don't play friendly with most objectives and in a game with similarly skilled players, it ends up being which team has less gimmick characters having the better chance to win.
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Dec 2, 2016 15:32
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I'll never switch the hero I'm playing if I have a cool skin for it, even if I'm being countered 
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Dec 2, 2016 15:38
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Learn how to play against your counters and never switch.
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Dec 2, 2016 15:40
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Turtlicious posted:What if I want to have fun? Then play quickplay and rejoice, my friend E: but if you are a Pharah in comp and the other team has a soldier with any degree of competency for the love of God switch
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Dec 2, 2016 15:48
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If blizzard didn't want attack torb they wouldn't have made his turret upgrades faster
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I would like to attack torb
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Queering Wheel posted:I usually try to give people the benefit of the doubt if they insist on going with an unoptimal hero. I think people should have a chance to try. Maybe they really do kick rear end with Torb or Widow or Bastion. But if it's clearly not working and they refuse to switch, they deserve any anger that comes their way. I hate this attitude. Let people play what they want and don't bitch at them. They don't deserve to be bitched at because they won't switch heroes. And the idea that "it's clearly not working" is bullshit too. Ok so you saw the guy make a couple of dumb plays. So what? What about all of your lovely plays? What about when you didn't help him? And how are people supposed to get better at a hero when they get bitched at for practicing them in comp? Comp is the hardest mode, and you should practice in the hardest mode if you want to get better.
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Dren posted:I hate this attitude. Let people play what they want and don't bitch at them. They don't deserve to be bitched at because they won't switch heroes. And the idea that "it's clearly not working" is bullshit too. Ok so you saw the guy make a couple of dumb plays. So what? What about all of your lovely plays? What about when you didn't help him? And how are people supposed to get better at a hero when they get bitched at for practicing them in comp? Comp is the hardest mode, and you should practice in the hardest mode if you want to get better. If you want to play whatever you feel like there's a mode that's perfect for you, and if you are actually that Widow/Hanzo/Torb that is exactly as great as you think you are I'll be happy to be proven wrong in comp. If you're not though please don't drag everybody else down by failing to do anything but plink a Reinhardt shield and kind of sit there awkwardly flinging arrows/missed headshots outside of a teamfight on the point. I have seen a couple of Hanzos that did exactly the opposite of what I expected and I was very happy about it. They are also in the extreme minority. If you can't make concessions for the good of a team then comp is not for you, please go play in quickplay.
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Wow. 5 wins, 4 losses and a draw came out to 1912. In 8 of the matches I had at least 2 golds, in 2 of them I had 4. Dispirited by how much I actually suck now. Think I might shelve this for a while.
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Dren posted:I hate this attitude. Let people play what they want and don't bitch at them. They don't deserve to be bitched at because they won't switch heroes. And the idea that "it's clearly not working" is bullshit too. Ok so you saw the guy make a couple of dumb plays. So what? What about all of your lovely plays? What about when you didn't help him? And how are people supposed to get better at a hero when they get bitched at for practicing them in comp? Comp is the hardest mode, and you should practice in the hardest mode if you want to get better. There is a point where you can tell that a person is constantly making an obvious error, and often switching can help. I do hate the people who assume that we wiped once so we need to change every hero and not just that half of our team was off dicking around away from the fight.
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Dren posted:I hate this attitude. Let people play what they want and don't bitch at them. They don't deserve to be bitched at because they won't switch heroes. And the idea that "it's clearly not working" is bullshit too. Ok so you saw the guy make a couple of dumb plays. So what? What about all of your lovely plays? What about when you didn't help him? And how are people supposed to get better at a hero when they get bitched at for practicing them in comp? Comp is the hardest mode, and you should practice in the hardest mode if you want to get better. gently caress you.
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Dren posted:I hate this attitude. Let people play what they want and don't bitch at them. They don't deserve to be bitched at because they won't switch heroes. And the idea that "it's clearly not working" is bullshit too. Ok so you saw the guy make a couple of dumb plays. So what? What about all of your lovely plays? What about when you didn't help him? And how are people supposed to get better at a hero when they get bitched at for practicing them in comp? Comp is the hardest mode, and you should practice in the hardest mode if you want to get better. I'm not a big getting mad at videogames guy, but I don't think it's unreasonable when I see people stress out about people who pick moronic heroes. It doesn't help, but it's understandable. I've seen people pick Widow and die 3+ times without managing to get a kill on a payload map. That's pretty crippling for your team. It's OK to practice heroes in Comp, necessary even, but I guess there's an expected basic level of skill you should probably get to first in QP. And even then, it's OK to play them in Comp, but if it's going disastrously wrong, you should just swap for the sake of the other 5 players on your team and then try again next time without compromising the entire match.
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People in QP also get mad if you don't switch lol
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Just mute whoever complains really, playing bad heroes is not reportable anyway
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Most people are legitimately trying to win and accusing them of being the problem and telling them to switch is a lovely thing to do. I'm not going to qualify this with "sometimes there really are extremely terrible players who could benefit from switching" or say that people should go to quick play if they don't want to switch (you get yelled at there too). It's lovely to tell people they are the problem and they need to switch no matter how badly you think they are doing. One person probably isn't dragging your team down all by themselves and just because you happened to notice Hanzo missing three arrows in a row doesn't mean that he's the reason your team lost. Would the team have done better if those had all been headshots? Sure. Would the team also have done better if you had not done some dumbass thing? Yep.
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In my experience people who need to switch aren't bad shits who should only play mercy, it's that someone took the role they're more comfortable with and trading a but will help them be more comfortable and thus win more. I have played with people that were garbage roadhog because someone took their reaper and after some shuffling we actually recovered and won.
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IronicDongz posted:You should learn at least one damage/tank/support. Doesn't take too long tbqh, a lot of stuff carries over between heros Reaper/Soldier 76 are pretty much free heroes for anyone who has experience playing fps. The tanks for the most part are all dirt easy. TheKingofSprings posted:If you want to play whatever you feel like there's a mode that's perfect for you, and if you are actually that Widow/Hanzo/Torb that is exactly as great as you think you are I'll be happy to be proven wrong in comp. If you're not though please don't drag everybody else down by failing to do anything but plink a Reinhardt shield and kind of sit there awkwardly flinging arrows/missed headshots outside of a teamfight on the point. Quick play has pretty much zero redeeming qualities and I will not be playing it.
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Torb is actually good now, guys.
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Our pharah can't lead her rockets and is getting shot out of the sky constantly by their 76, mc cree, and widow? Nah its cool let him play pharah it isn't his fault he is dying it is everyone else's fault for not killing the 76/mc cree/widow
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Dren posted:I hate this attitude. Let people play what they want and don't bitch at them. They don't deserve to be bitched at because they won't switch heroes. And the idea that "it's clearly not working" is bullshit too. Ok so you saw the guy make a couple of dumb plays. So what? What about all of your lovely plays? What about when you didn't help him? And how are people supposed to get better at a hero when they get bitched at for practicing them in comp? Comp is the hardest mode, and you should practice in the hardest mode if you want to get better. The problem with playing comp to get better at Torb is that at the end of the day you're still going to be hamstrung by the fact that you're playing Torb. Yeah, sure, if you're good enough you can get very far with just Torb, but the people who do that are extreme outliers and in general you are going to climb farther faster if you're practicing heroes who are strong in a variety of situations and can comfortably adjust your role to fit your team's needs. I'm all for playing comp to get better, but I am very much of the opinion that having a versatile hero pool and being able to play the character that is best for the situation is a necessary part of 'getting better.' Yeah, there are some players who are so good at one hero they can slampick the same thing every match and completely dominate with it regardless, but even those players would only get better if they could also play other heroes to the same level. Opposing Farce fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Dec 2, 2016 |
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Yes, please let people play Pharah.
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Season 2 placement matches went 8-2 for me. I'm at 1-4 currently. Feels good man.
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Elliotw2 posted:In my experience people who need to switch aren't bad shits who should only play mercy, it's that someone took the role they're more comfortable with and trading a but will help them be more comfortable and thus win more. I have played with people that were garbage roadhog because someone took their reaper and after some shuffling we actually recovered and won. Yes that's fine and it happens all the time. I'm talking about people who, when told no when they ask someone to switch, go from asking to telling them they are the problem and constantly bitching. Like if you ask Roadhog to switch and he says no then oh well you have a not great Roadhog on your team, it happens all the time so deal with it, don't bitch at the guy all round.
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Maybe the game should come with a handbook of rules and directions telling them how to play the game "properly". If you don't read it cover to cover prior to launching the game it causes your computer to burst into flame and bans your account.
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klockwerk posted:Maybe the game should come with a handbook of rules and directions telling them how to play the game "properly". If you don't read it cover to cover prior to launching the game it causes your computer to burst into flame and bans your account. this is a good idea, this way no one will ever have to tell anyone to switch
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SadisTech posted:Wow. 5 wins, 4 losses and a draw came out to 1912. In 8 of the matches I had at least 2 golds, in 2 of them I had 4. Dispirited by how much I actually suck now. Think I might shelve this for a while. Also, don't worry about medals too much either.
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Wildtortilla posted:Season 2 placement matches went 8-2 for me. I'm at 1-4 currently. Feels good man. Maybe you just became better during s2 and are facing better teams now, meaning that you might still place higher even if you lose?
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Dren posted:Most people are legitimately trying to win and accusing them of being the problem and telling them to switch is a lovely thing to do. They aren't trying to legitimately win if they only know one character in the entire roster. That's the problem with 2500-2999, you have all these guys that are good at one class but never ever branch out and never realize their true potential. It's like Chess, you might be good at using the Rook, but if you never play with the Pawns or the Queen; then you're never going to excel.
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Just say "hey dude, that character doesn't seem to be working, could you try another *class name here*. If they say "gently caress off you prick" you can proceed to abuse them. Thor-Stryker posted:They aren't trying to legitimately win if they only know one character in the entire roster. I was almost at masters using only roadhog, haha dogstile fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Dec 2, 2016 |
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"Justice Rains from Above" (Pharah/Mercy only) is possibly the best brawl ever. Gotta land those body shots. Or punish anyone foolish enough to land. "This is Iilos" (Roadhog/Lucio only) is pretty funny too.
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IronicDongz posted:It's not like unoptimal picks is greifing, I wouldn't go that far. But also don't be surprised that people, who naturally want to win, are unhappy with your unoptimal picks/refusal to swap. TheRationalRedditor fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Dec 2, 2016 |
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dogstile posted:
I don't doubt that at all. The issue is that you have the potential to do even more when you learn at least one of each role (Though slam-picking a tank is less grievous than sucking up a dps slot.) Defenders tend to eat up any other slot and provide less throughput than their brethren. People that play defenders always seem less likely to be willing to switch to other roles when they're needed in comp, which is being vocally exacerbated in this thread.
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Hot take: if you aren't playing in a 6-stack like God intended you deserve to get queued into Duck and Cover.
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