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A Buff Gay Dude posted:Not really. You can weave in the dark energy bit as a danger of letting galactic civilization expand too much. So on one hand you've got the reapers' need to grow civilizations large and fast and on the other a danger that they could grow it too large. Except they weren't gonna do any of that? The ending was pretty much outlined for us and it involved none of what you said and also was, let's not forget, still written by a Bioware employee.
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marshmallow creep posted:As he shat in my mouth, i sighed with relief. It could be worse, I thought, This could be Dragon Age 2. i literally can't remember the end to dragon age 2 I'm pretty drat sure I played that game!
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Lt. Danger posted:Dark Energy is the same as Disobedient Robots, except more boring and with less (no) thematic resonance. I meant literal as in he was a freaking ghost in the machine
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The Crucible isn't a deus ex machina because it is framed for the entire game as the only way to defeat the Reapers.
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Zzulu posted:i literally can't remember the end to dragon age 2 Some lady turned into a statue
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Alain Post posted:It would be extremely funny if the reason for the extinction cycles was because of poor gas mileage. It would also be really bad but still, really funny. This was carefully built into the lore
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Alain Post posted:Some lady turned into a statue yeah but what was the plot
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A Buff Gay Dude posted:I meant literal as in he was a freaking ghost in the machine Deus literally means "god" though, not ghost.
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marshmallow creep posted:Always get Liara last. God that whole after action report meeting with Liara is hilarious if you do that on a second play through.
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Reclaimer posted:Except they weren't gonna do any of that? The ending was pretty much outlined for us and it involved none of what you said and also was, let's not forget, still written by a Bioware employee. None of the ending was laid out, Drew said the concept was gonna involve dark energy but they hadn't sketched anything out. But dark energy is related to the core concept of the series which is this weird mass effect that underpins all of galactic civilization but we didn't invent.
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The extinction cycles was actually an interesting idea that was poorly explained and even more poorly used as a plot device. It seems like something that would have worked well in a book. For instance, if in the game you had reapers with different personalities, based on the species from which they were harvested, you could open up some good story opportunities. You could meet a reaper who wasn't down with having been harvested in the first place while another reaper was very warlike and gets off on all the suffering that goes into the new reaper creation. You could even write in an ending where the reapers, as a whole, are finally convinced to stop the harvesting. (not via control) It's like they had an idea that actually worked for the reapers motivations but then never went anywhere with it. As soon as they knew it was going to be a trilogy, the writing team should have been hired on as actual full-time employees (rather than contractors which is probably how most of them were paid) with job security and the knowledge they would be writing this for 3-4 more years. Then hammered out ME2 and 3s plots and worked out the kinks. But we aren't allowed to have nice things. Just profit for EA. Looking forward to eating some more ME poo poo in a few months. Mmmmm caca.
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Reclaimer posted:Deus literally means "god" though, not ghost. I meant to type god, my bad
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the ending should have been Shepard romancing Harbinger and getting married and thus forging an alliance through matrimony with the reapers The end credits is all the reapers attending the new couples wedding
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Zzulu posted:the ending should have been Shepard romancing Harbinger and getting married and thus forging an alliance through matrimony with the reapers Would have been better than what we got
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A Buff Gay Dude posted:None of the ending was laid out, Drew said the concept was gonna involve dark energy but they hadn't sketched anything out. But dark energy is related to the core concept of the series which is this weird mass effect that underpins all of galactic civilization but we didn't invent. Found the interview I remembered the deets from, it was obvs a half-remembered work-in-progress but more importantly Karpyshyn goes on to say: "I find it funny that fans end up hearing a couple things they like about it and in their minds they add in all the details they specifically want. It's like vapourware - vapourware is always perfect, anytime someone talks about the new greatest game. It's perfect until it comes out. I'm a little weary about going into too much detail because, whatever we came up with, it probably wouldn't be what people want it to be." Pretty much my point in a nutshell.
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I mean regardless of whether you like it or not the dang Ends were the focal point of the biggest shitfit in online game yelling up to that point like if you were a dude who was like "I would like for Mass Effect to be the new Star Wars" (note: I am not endorsing this) this is like your worst-case scenario they had to release a free "my bad" DLC for it (that was bad in and of itself) and four-and-a-half years later people are still mad and nude and red about it there's probably an OK short book about it that has yet to be written (it's this thread and the previous ones, that's the book)
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Reclaimer posted:Found the interview I remembered the deets from, it was obvs a half-remembered work-in-progress but more importantly Karpyshyn goes on to say: That's the same interview. That doesn't mean it was gonna be bad. Also that's what Drew is going to say because you don't burn bridges in the industry. Funny note, Drew is back at Bioware, which wouldn't have happened had he shat on the ending instead of being diplomatic about it.
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The best part of the last thread was whenever someone new would show up and play the games and wind the whole thing up again. I'm pretty sure I was one of those at some point, too. I played ME3 about 6 months after it came out.
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I hope the master files for Andromeda are corrupted + no backups exist and no more Mass Effect games are ever made again.
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Android Blues posted:Alternate ending that would have been the reality in almost any other triple AAA game: That sounds pretty similar to how Sovereign died.
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That always pissed me off Sovereign empowers Saren and he goes robo-super saiyan and then shepard kills Saren and Sovereign, the immortal god machine, falls apart
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What is Saren was Sovereign?
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The Andromeda footage made me question if ME was ever even actually good, but this thread reminded me 1 and 2 were.
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It was tropey but explained in gameZzulu posted:That always pissed me off No actually it makes him drop his shield. Saren's possession made a bit of sense given what we knew of indoctrination and how the citadel mass effect relay worked, but yeah it was tropey and given the direction they took the plot in 3 it didn't make any sense. Unfortunate. ME3 basically invalidated the whole plot of ME1 lmao. The reapers could have just set their alarm clock a year early and flown in to the edge of the system instead of going right to the Citadel. Total lack of respect for the lore.
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Judge Dredd: you betrayed the LORE! Rico: LORRRRRRE!
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Alain Post posted:Judge Dredd: you betrayed the LORE! If you don't respect your own lore you end up making an ending that shows all Mass Relays exploding when your codex and in game example explicitly state that an exploding mass relay destroys everything within a system or two.
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A Buff Gay Dude posted:If you don't respect your own lore you end up making an ending that shows all Mass Relays exploding when your codex and in game example explicitly state that an exploding mass relay destroys everything within a system or two. Do you know the mechanics behind why it explodes like that or just that it does? A deeper knowledge of the precise workings might give one insight as to how it could be possible to destroy it without the collateral damage.
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alternately you could just show the Crucible blowing up the relays in a way that doesn't wipe out the system and let the loving Wookiepedians deal with it
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Alain Post posted:alternately you could just show the Crucible blowing up the relays in a way that doesn't wipe out the system and let the loving Wookiepedians deal with it Hey you might be onto something there.
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Imo i hope that the milky way fukkin exploded is canon and everyone died.
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Reclaimer posted:Do you know the mechanics behind why it explodes like that or just that it does? A deeper knowledge of the precise workings might give one insight as to how it could be possible to destroy it without the collateral damage. It's a made up thing, of course it's possible to blow one without it Killing everything. Unfortunately if you're telling a good story you would show or foreshadow this and not show/tell only contradictory outcomes.
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It's pretty cool and a testament to the diversity of our species (oh hey that's another plot thread that ME3 discarded completely) and the compassion of our species that people can be retarded and or contrarian enough to argue in favor of ME3 being good but also that such people can be cared for and provided for by those of us who understand it was a steaming shitpile.
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A Buff Gay Dude posted:It's pretty cool and a testament to the diversity of our species (oh hey that's another plot thread that ME3 discarded completely) Moola posted:how does she look worse than femshep from me3? Well, she looks better than custom Femshep faces from ME3, at least. 
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FronzelNeekburm posted:TBQH I'm tired of fantasy universes where every other species is 100% identical all the time except humans, who are special because of diversity/adaptability. I'm pretty partial to settings where humans are like, especially strong because everyone else lives on low-gravity worlds.
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Reclaimer posted:I'm pretty partial to settings where humans are like, especially strong because everyone else lives on low-gravity worlds. But yeah, I'm partial to any setting where humans have any sort of niche, as opposed to "jack of all trades" or "just all-around superior".
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DancingShade posted:I'm getting a serious space teenager vibe from Ryder in that last preview. Milkshakes are pretty awesome though.
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Mymla posted:Mass effect would be pretty cool if Krogan didn't exist, but humans instead filled their role in the galactic community. Bunch of idiot orcs who showed up out of nowhere and started a few wars out of xenophobia/paranoia born from having watched independence day one too many times. I think the consensus IRL prediction is "horrible cockroach race" for humans
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The gameplay trailer sadly looked kinda mediocre. I'd really dig a game that was just DAI: Spacesuit Edition, but the dialogue scene they chose to showcase being so weak makes me dubious. Like, even apart from the animation issues, the text of that short interaction is just so thin and uninteresting. Why show it in your first big gameplay trailer, unless you either think it's good or don't have anything better? Inquisition by comparison had a lot of great conversation scenes and picked some genuinely good ones for its pre-release material.
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Because the game has been in plot and development hell
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A Buff Gay Dude posted:I meant literal as in he was a freaking ghost in the machine Ah yes, like SHODAN or Helios. This is bad because Zzulu posted:That always pissed me off Sounds like a cheap narrative device imho
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