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comedyblissoption posted:if the gop won 2008 and pulled the same poo poo with wall st as the dems did, democratic supporters would be screaming bloody murder
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comedyblissoption posted:trump's silver lining is a likely more peaceful foreign policy trump is a guy with no self-control surrounded by insane, hard-right foreign policy hawks on his cabinet. i wouldn't be so optimistic.
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Concerned Citizen posted:to be fair, hillary was actually talking about her plans to help coal miners losing their jobs as the nation's energy profile changes. but that one sentence became the entire media story.
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Concerned Citizen posted:trump is a guy with no self-control surrounded by insane, hard-right foreign policy hawks on his cabinet. i wouldn't be so optimistic.
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comedyblissoption posted:any coal workers is right to be skeptical considering what came of the nafta "retraining" to help those displaced by jobs moving to mexico i agree. but there is only one party with a plan to actually help coal workers displaced by the changing energy economy. but somehow hillary ends up being the bad guy here because she was taken out of context.
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comedyblissoption posted:any coal workers is right to be skeptical considering what came of the nafta "retraining" to help those displaced by jobs moving to mexico this x 1000 There was no reason whatsoever for many people to look beyond that quote because the only part of that whole thing people actually trust Clinton to accomplish is putting them out of work.
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comedyblissoption posted:hillary already has a history of following in the footsteps of kissinger so I'll take my chances w/ the guy preaching isolationism trump isn't preaching isolationism, that's deluded. i have some level of confidence we will go to war with iran in the next 4 years
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relatively speaking trump was the dove candidate compared to the hillary warhawk think about the absurdity that is the democratic party that has led us here
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comedyblissoption posted:relatively speaking trump was the dove candidate compared to the hillary warhawk trump's actual campaign platform includes carpet bombing cities full of civilians and killing the families of terrorists. he wants to end the iran deal and go hard against china. so no, he was actually more hawkish than hillary. the fact that he takes a dovish stance toward russia, a nation that is itself significantly more hawkish than the US, is not an indication that he's gone soft.
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comedyblissoption posted:relatively speaking trump was the dove candidate compared to the hillary warhawk yeah, that poo poo's sustainable!!!
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Concerned Citizen posted:trump isn't preaching isolationism, that's deluded. i have some level of confidence we will go to war with iran in the next 4 years Hillary Clinton warhawking shortly after the Iran Deal: http://www.salon.com/2015/09/10/what_hillary_clinton_wants_you_to_forget_her_disastrous_record_as_a_war_hawk/ posted:Hillary Clinton announced her support for Obama’s Iran deal in a speech on Wednesday. It wasn’t exactly an act of huge political bravery. The deal is happening. It’s secured enough support from Democrats in the Senate to doom any attempts to block it. If Clinton had done anything other than endorsed the deal, she would have created a major headache for herself. Hillary Clinton's past extremely warhawkish stance against Iran: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-politics-iran-idUSN2224332720080422 http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Behind-closed-doors-Clinton-speaks-of-willingness-to-bomb-Irans-facilities-470253
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Concerned Citizen posted:is that ironic No
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Concerned Citizen posted:the fact that he takes a dovish stance toward russia, a nation that is itself significantly more hawkish than the US, is not an indication that he's gone soft. comedyblissoption has issued a correction as of 20:19 on Dec 3, 2016 |
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Concerned Citizen posted:trump's actual campaign platform includes carpet bombing cities full of civilians and killing the families of terrorists. he wants to end the iran deal and go hard against china. so no, he was actually more hawkish than hillary. the fact that he takes a dovish stance toward russia, a nation that is itself significantly more hawkish than the US, is not an indication that he's gone soft. Trump has advocated for less war than hillary. That he wants to pursue any war we get into more violently and brutally has nothing to do with hawkishness. You can be a very brutal isolationist.
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Which isnt saying Trump is an isolationist, he a not, but doesnt see nearly as keen on third way style adventurism as Hillary was
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lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMArIc5Hn_g
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GlyphGryph posted:Trump has advocated for less war than hillary. That he wants to pursue any war we get into more violently and brutally has nothing to do with hawkishness.
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comedyblissoption posted:trump's silver lining is a likely more peaceful foreign policy WAHAHAHA look at u
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americans kill other people, russians kill their own people duh
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yeah the guy that wants to scrap the iran deal is not going to go to war with them when they start their nuclear program back up.
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comedyblissoption posted:hillary already has a history of following in the footsteps of kissinger so I'll take my chances w/ the guy preaching isolationism yeah and look at who took a meeting with kissinger just last week
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Darkman Fanpage posted:yeah the guy that wants to scrap the iran deal is not going to go to war with them when they start their nuclear program back up. No one actually knows what Trump us and is not going to do, because we dont know who is going to be the last one to talk to him before he makes the decision
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comedyblissoption posted:trump's silver lining is a likely more peaceful foreign policy this is bad and dumb
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I can't find any exit poll measuring american war weariness as a factor to why clinton might've lost
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comedyblissoption posted:I can't find any exit poll measuring american war weariness as a factor to why clinton might've lost how many hours a week of Russia Today do you watch
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comedyblissoption posted:I can't find any exit poll measuring american war weariness as a factor to why clinton might've lost
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Haha, she is saying shes not a hawk she just supports "traditional security values" or however she phrased it. Also appeciated the reminder that this was literally her only campaign event that week that was based around kneeling to the wealthy
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Wikkheiser posted:I think war weariness has faded a bit and Americans are now itching to knock some heads around. like crab mentality, only the crabs have guns and just knocked the bucket over and oh god, aw heck
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Darkman Fanpage posted:clinton is done. stop trying to compare trump to her now. he's the president elect, not her. and trying to say that he's not going to use the us military as a cudgel is a mistake. This is true of every president and possible president
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GlyphGryph posted:No one actually knows what Trump us and is not going to do, because we dont know who is going to be the last one to talk to him before he makes the decision All of his cabinet picks and his vp are Iran war hawks so I wouldn't feel too confident on that
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Oh Snapple! posted:like crab mentality, only the crabs have guns and just knocked the bucket over and oh god, aw heck
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MizPiz posted:Honestly, I thought I was jumping in on some joke posts. It was followed directly by 2 paragraphs of how we cannot under any circumstances ever forget about those people, and she had no plan to. At most, this was "you didn't build that", requiring an impossible amount of selective hearing to credibly say it was a reasonable interpretation. quote:So for example, I'm the only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country. Because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business, right? In the middle of three paragraphs about bringing good jobs to coal country, there is one, yes, badly worded bit about getting rid of coal jobs. But even then, it is surrounded by talk about bringing better jobs there, and respect for the people who do those jobs. Main Paineframe posted:They're just trying to appease the Sanders wing without making any real policy concessions or changes beyond the platform changes they made before the election, so they're giving prominent Sanders folks (including Sanders himself) important-sounding leadership-ish positions...which have no power to dictate policy and mainly require them to support incumbent Democrats regardless of their ideological leanings. They are refusing to change policy, which is the real thing they'll never do...except 6 months ago when they conceded almost all the platform over, and people said it didn't count without the right people in leadership. Mr. Jive posted:More states need to have an open primary I think. In RI, I was a registered independent for years but thanks to the open primary I strolled in and voted Dem without any bullshit. My vote registered me for the Dem party. Okay, that's the best case scenario. Now imagine an election with an incumbent Republican wherein voting in the R primary is moot, so we have a large number of right wing poo poo heads trying to sabotage the primary to help the incumbent president. Like, oh, I don't know, the next one. This isn't an outlandish theory. We have Republicans on tape gloating about doing this. It's the only dirty Republican trick they never managed to dial up to 11 after Obama drove them insane cause he was the incumbent. So any reform about this must take into account this reality. What's the proposed fix to that? Joementum posted:Caucuses are great because they're run by the parties, not the states, so the party can make the rules to their advantage by allowing same-day registration, which grows the party and encourages participation. They're also helpful for recruiting volunteers. So the best kind of caucus...is just a regular voting system, mixed with a separate registration drive? How is it still a caucus? comedyblissoption posted:relatively speaking trump was the dove candidate compared to the hillary warhawk Relatively speaking Trump said that we needed to start purposefully targeting civilians to go after the families of ISIS soldiers, and you're an idiot. GlyphGryph posted:Trump has advocated for less war than hillary. Name one war that Hillary supported that we don't have footage of Trump publicly advocating. Trump claims to be an isolationist dove. Like every other claim out of his fat front-shithole, it's bull crap.
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Wikkheiser posted:Obama automated the war like he did the factories. Overseas troop levels in wars have declined. Total troop strength in Afghanistan now is less than half of what Clinton sent on peacekeeping duties to Bosnia. Yeah there are differences between those conflicts, and jury's still out on Trump, but I can see him going in on a war that will "redeem" America from the failures of past presidents. he's gonna pull a reagan and invade a caribbean island. the people of st lucia wont even know what hit em
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Darkman Fanpage posted:he's gonna pull a reagan and invade a caribbean island Then, in something that's totally not a sign of incomparable corruption, Trump hotels will buy that island, evict the survivors and turn it into a casino resort.
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Fulchrum posted:Name one war that Hillary supported that we don't have footage of Trump publicly advocating.
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Concerned Citizen posted:i agree. but there is only one party with a plan to actually help coal workers displaced by the changing energy economy. but somehow hillary ends up being the bad guy here because she was taken out of context. Right, but she was also the husband of the guy who didn't deliver on the NAFTA retraining. Then she went and outright said coal miners and coal companies are going to share the same fate. No amount "well actually"s are going to fix that message.
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comedyblissoption posted:Trump doesn't support escalation in Syria with a no fly zone for one. He's also not stupid enough to keep insisting the libyan war is still good. Trump doesn't support challenging Russia in Syrian but he will certainly deepen our involvement
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