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Sickening posted:1. Not understanding the 1+ 1+ from motorist doesn't go on the stack, only the crewing does. It does go on the stack actually, but it resolves before the vehicle turns into a creature. To be fair that interaction is extremely unintuitive (a vehicle becomes crewed when the crew ability is activated, not when the ability resolves). The other two are inexcusable though.
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I've lost games to other players who are as familiar with the rules as I am (very) to a Copter getting Harnessed Lightninged for three with the Veteran Motorist trigger "on the stack". That really is unintuitive, but good to know!
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Dec 4, 2016 19:51
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Sickening posted:+2 look at the top 3 and draw any of the nonland permanents. 6 is a pretty big demand for a card, even a pretty beefy walker. Definitely seems like sideboard material at the very least, though.
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Dec 4, 2016 19:52
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TheKingofSprings posted:6 is a pretty big demand for a card, even a pretty beefy walker. 6 is not super demanding in standard and hasn't be for awhile. The plus takes over games and the minus is very powerful. Needs a shell around it though.
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Dec 4, 2016 19:56
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it's cool that they found a way to combine the boring planeswalker design of card draw and creature removal with the boring standard design of midrange white creatures
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Dec 4, 2016 19:59
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I have an Abzan Walker deck forming in my head right now, although possibly 2 6cmc guys in Ajani and Sorin won't fly. The oaths in those colours seem complimentary too. And are picked up by his plus whilst delivering sorcery effects. But from a budget perspective he's cool because of both his cost and mechanics he won't be a 4 of.
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Dec 4, 2016 20:22
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little munchkin posted:It does go on the stack actually, but it resolves before the vehicle turns into a creature. See, this is a reasonable excuse for a random player. It's not a reasonable excuse for the head judge of a standard event, when you know that there are going to be cars.
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Dec 4, 2016 20:54
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The scene: Round 1 at the Legacy 25k tix thing at GP Denver. Me, our hero: Even or odd on the die? The Eldrazi player I'm about to lose to: Uh lets do high roll. Three tie rolls on one die later... Him: Let's roll two.
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Dec 4, 2016 21:25
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black potus posted:The scene: Round 1 at the Legacy 25k tix thing at GP Denver. This exact scenario is why I started carrying around sleeved copies of Rock Lobster, Paper Tiger and Scissor Lizard.
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Dec 4, 2016 21:31
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Elyv posted:See, this is a reasonable excuse for a random player. It's not a reasonable excuse for the head judge of a standard event, when you know that there are going to be cars. Even moreso when the specific interaction of Veteran Motorist and Smuggler's Copter vs 3 damage removal comes up constantly in the format and is explained on the loving gatherer page for one of the cards. Also this is someone who apparently thought the search on Path was mandatory despite the words written on the card. Voyager I fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Dec 4, 2016 |
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Dec 4, 2016 21:36
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Alris posted:This exact scenario is why I started carrying around sleeved copies of Rock Lobster, Paper Tiger and Scissor Lizard. Used to carry a half-dollar coin with my Magic stuff for this purpose. Lost it for a while but I actually found it this weekend while cleaning out some bulk cards and mismatched sleeves 
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Dec 4, 2016 21:40
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Sickening posted:6 is not super demanding in standard and hasn't be for awhile. The plus takes over games and the minus is very powerful. Needs a shell around it though. lol, "needs a shell around it", as though generic GW midrange goodstuff is some fringe niche archetype that hasn't been dominant for years now, and that this doesn't slot perfectly into at the top end. MiddleEastBeast fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Dec 4, 2016 |
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Dec 4, 2016 21:46
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MiddleEastBeast posted:lol, "needs a shell around it", as though generic GW midrange goodstuff is some fringe niche archetype that hasn't been dominant for years now. G/W hasn't been dominate at all this standard season and its not even close. If this card was legal in standard right now there is a good chance that it alone isn't good enough to make the deck good. I don't really see how this is a "lol" moment.
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Dec 4, 2016 21:50
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Wotc please stop printing good green or white cards at least until your other mistakes rotate out Thanks
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Dec 4, 2016 21:51
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Lol they're printing cards, what clods!
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Dec 4, 2016 21:56
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Just reprint Gloom, Anarchy, and Deathgrip. Format fixed.
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suicidesteve posted:Just reprint Gloom, Anarchy, and Deathgrip. Format fixed. C'mon, that wouldn't fix anything You have to reprint dark ritual as well so people can turn 1 Gloom
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Dec 4, 2016 22:05
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suicidesteve posted:Just reprint Gloom, Anarchy, and Deathgrip. Format fixed. I was going through some old bulk cards today and realized that I kinda miss color-specific hosers. Obviously stuff like Anarchy, Dread of Night, or Chill would be really harsh against some decks but it's space I wouldn't mind Wizards revisiting. They did a little bit of that in Theros (Glare of Heresy, Gainsay reprint etc.) but it wasn't enough IMO.
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Dec 4, 2016 22:34
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In a speculative Abzan walker deck in the new standard, would anyone consider Nissa, Voice of Zendikar over Vital Force? The tokens could help her and other walkers tick up and there may be others from Oath of Gideon plus some creature cards, but it's not going to be a committed token or creature deck. Or is VF just too strong to dismiss?
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Dec 4, 2016 22:54
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I think this new Ajani borders on unplayable in constructed.
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Dec 4, 2016 23:09
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mcmagic posted:I think this new Ajani borders on unplayable in constructed. Christ finally someone notices the 6-cmc planeswalker either has no impact on the board for a turn or leaves itself open to copter.
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Dec 4, 2016 23:10
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mcmagic posted:I think this new Ajani borders on unplayable in constructed. A grand total of 4 cards spoiled and we already have this. I would still prefer 3-4 cmc walkers myself or something on the lines of elspeth for 6 mana. I am bored of +draw -removal walkers though considering how many we have currently.
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Dec 4, 2016 23:13
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Sickening posted:A grand total of 4 cards spoiled and we already have this. I don't think you need the context of an entire set to look at this 6-cmc planeswalker and notice how little impact it has compared to the other two in Standard, much less the 3- and 4-cmc ones.
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Dec 4, 2016 23:15
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Sickening posted:I would still prefer 3-4 cmc walkers myself or something on the lines of elspeth for 6 mana. I am bored of +draw -removal walkers though considering how many we have currently. You're really right about the boring design space. It's very annoying.
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Dec 4, 2016 23:18
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Is there anything better than watching Jim Davis getting eliminated from a tournament
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C-Euro posted:I was going through some old bulk cards today and realized that I kinda miss color-specific hosers. Obviously stuff like Anarchy, Dread of Night, or Chill would be really harsh against some decks but it's space I wouldn't mind Wizards revisiting. They did a little bit of that in Theros (Glare of Heresy, Gainsay reprint etc.) but it wasn't enough IMO. They did it right in Khans block with Rending Volley et al.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Christ finally someone notices the 6-cmc planeswalker either has no impact on the board for a turn or leaves itself open to copter. I mean I noticed  I don't really like the "Walker as top of the curve endgame finisher" style of design personally. I like them best when they're smaller sized and about utility.
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suicidesteve posted:They did it right in Khans block with Rending Volley et al. They sure did. Self inflicting wounds and such were great. The kind of hate any format needs.
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Dec 4, 2016 23:28
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Hot take: Domri Rade was the best Walker.
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80s James Hetfield posted:Is there anything better than watching Jim Davis getting eliminated from a tournament Watching Jeff Hoggland get eliminated
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Dec 4, 2016 23:45
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GeneX posted:Watching Jeff Hoggland get eliminated Jeff losing to tom Ross for the player of the year after being salty as gently caress to him every chance on twitter is the best.
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Dec 4, 2016 23:49
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suicidesteve posted:They did it right in Khans block with Rending Volley et al. I honestly forgot about those. Looking at them now though they are pretty cool.
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Dec 4, 2016 23:52
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80s James Hetfield posted:Is there anything better than watching Jim Davis getting eliminated from a tournament Watching him getting eliminated due to a slow play judge call would be better.
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Toshimo posted:Hot take: Domri Rade was the best Walker.  Give me a new aggro walker, Wizards. Make a R/B Tibalt or something.
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Dec 5, 2016 00:03
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black potus posted:The scene: Round 1 at the Legacy 25k tix thing at GP Denver. People who do this should be publicly executed.
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Sickening posted:Jeff losing to tom Ross for the player of the year after being salty as gently caress to him every chance on twitter is the best. Which round was this? Need to watch!
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Sickening posted:+2 look at the top 3 and draw any of the nonland permanents. Ah. Good. Just what we needed, another 2 years of GW Standard!
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Dec 5, 2016 00:37
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I don't know why I would spend an extra mana on the new Ajani instead of just playing Nissa, Vital Force if I want to grind out my opponents.
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Hellsau posted:I don't know why I would spend an extra mana on the new Ajani instead of just playing Nissa, Vital Force if I want to grind out my opponents. Because this walker means you never draw another land again.
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black potus posted:The scene: Round 1 at the Legacy 25k tix thing at GP Denver. When I attempted to play miniatures games, people would insist on high roll on one die. Using more than one die or using a method that couldn't have ties was so absurd to them that they wouldn't even consider it.
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