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HoboNews
Oct 11, 2012

Don't rattle me bones
Yeah so
What does it mean for America if China's market suddenly fucks itself?

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Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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HoboNews posted:

Yeah so
What does it mean for America if China's market suddenly fucks itself?

A bunch of idiots who bet big on China get hosed and we laugh at them itt

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler
:lol: My father in law just messaged my wife on wechat and asked if it had anything to do with the new ¥1000 bill coming out.

Edit: If this is real, how long until Trump takes credit for taking China down a notch?

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

c-spam cannot afford



Accretionist posted:

Those look like the latest figures. Is that potentially important? I'm not really sure what I'm looking at.

Their currency, if that's correct, just took a 9% nosedive right before markets opening in that part of the world. It's a sign that the economy is in dire straights or direct currency manipulation.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES
If China collapses and the world economy eats it, wouldn't that drive a lot of capital into US debt? That'd be a lot of cheap deficit spending.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

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HoboNews posted:

Yeah so
What does it mean for America if China's market suddenly fucks itself?

Expect housing prices on the eastern seaboard to continue to rise as more money is pumped out of the country.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Mr. Nice! posted:

Their currency, if that's correct, just took a 9% nosedive right before markets opening in that part of the world. It's a sign that the economy is in dire straights or direct currency manipulation.

Or a data fuckup from one of the upstream providers, we aren't sure yet and I'm not ready to celebrate the Chinese Century until we know

Lollerich
Mar 25, 2004

The little doctors are back,
they want to play with you!

Baronjutter posted:

Here's another thing I don't get about China, or more about the rest of the world. How come everyone keeps conducting diplomacy and business deals with the chinese government and firms as if they were western institutions and getting shocked every time they're totally hosed over or china does the most petty short sighted poo poo? "Oh they'd never screw us over on this on this minor thing, we both want a long term relationship and it's in both our interests..." NOPE. They will happily gently caress them selves out of millions of dollars in long term business if they can gently caress you over for a few thousand today. And it's not just about the short term gain, it's like in the business world you lose face for not loving someone over the moment you see the smallest opening.

"Well this western company says they want a 10 year metal fabrication contract, that would keep my company in business and growing for a decade and make me rich, BUT they didn't send an engineer over the watch the work this month so I'd lose massive face if I didn't replace the structural steel they ordered with this scap iron we found out back, thus saving us a few thousand dollars. Surely they won't ever do business with us again, but I'd look weak and lose face for not jumping at this chance to screw over a valued client, oh well I have no choice..."

Companies with experience in dealing with the Chinese rarely get hosed over. You try to make deals where cooperation and good performance will lead to more business for them in the mid/long term.
You take precautions, like establishing a few deals that carry low risks first, later on you try sharing the risk with the manufacturer like only paying after you take ownership of your goods or better yet after passing quality control.
You'll still get hosed over sometimes of course, but it's possible to minimize the risk. Basically, you need people in your company who specialize in dealing with Chinese manufacturers.

Also, the part I bolded: You don't do that. If you send an engineer or QA guy to oversee critical stages of the production process once, you have to do it every time.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Extra points if it turns out to be wrong

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

We will make a big currency adjustment. A yooooooge currency adjustment. A currency adjustment like you've never seen. And Chinar is gonna pay for it.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Accretionist posted:

If China collapses and the world economy eats it, wouldn't that drive a lot of capital into US debt? That'd be a lot of cheap deficit spending.

I am not an economist, so I cannot comment

Pham Nuwen fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Dec 6, 2016

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

Nice!

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

blowfish posted:

We will make a big currency adjustment. A yooooooge currency adjustment. A currency adjustment like you've never seen. And Chinar is gonna pay for it.

tpink
Feb 18, 2013

Melman
"British Villagers Are Baffled by Flocking Chinese Tourists." http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/world/europe/british-villagers-are-baffled-by-flocking-chinese-tourists.html

The opening paragraph just really tells you everything you need to know:

quote:

KIDLINGTON, England — The Chinese visitors fanned out of a tour bus, and suddenly stopped, transfixed, as if marveling at the Venus de Milo or the Eiffel Tower. Then they began photographing an unremarkable 1970s suburban home, an oak tree, a rosebush and a garbage bin.

quote:

One tourist asked a stunned resident if he could help mow her lawn. (She politely declined.) Another jumped joyously on a child’s trampoline in the front yard.

...

Fran Beesley, 74, an occupational therapist, said she was startled to walk out of her house one day and find a Chinese man photographing her front yard as his family waited nearby.

Any guesses as to why this might be happening?

quote:

In point of fact, there is a perfectly logical explanation for why droves of Chinese tourists are coming to Kidlington, and it is hardly going to burnish the local reputation. Sun Jianfeng, a 48-year-old tour guide with Beijing Hua Yuan International Travel, said guides were routinely depositing in Kidlington tourists who did not want to pay an extra $68 for an optional Chinese language tour of nearby Blenheim Palace, Winston Churchill’s majestic ancestral home. He added that some wily tourists had figured out that buying tickets at the palace would cost only about $25, and were secretly sneaking there on foot, irking other tourists, who had already paid full price. As a result, he said, those who opted out of the Blenheim tour were being dropped in Kidlington, which is not within walking distance.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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The XE chart seems to show the RMB back to 6.8

HoboNews
Oct 11, 2012

Don't rattle me bones

Well, guess there's nothing to see here. Everybody move along.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Genuinely bummed that the lives of over a billion people didn't get significantly worse tonight

ass cobra
May 28, 2004

by Azathoth
It would have been so 2016

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

lol

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->

rear end cobra posted:

It would have been so 2016

The Chinese Economy would have been an excellent trophy for 2016 to put alongside American Democracy, the European Union, and like a hundred celebrities

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Fojar38 posted:

Genuinely bummed that the lives of over a billion people didn't get significantly worse tonight

same

Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts



Why is the line before all organic and jiggly, like it had the ability to change if it was supposed to, and the line afterwards looks like someone nailed down the value as a constant?

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe
Woah, is the Chinese government just pegging the price there? It's still constant. I wish I could see the sheer volume of trades.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Blistex posted:

The real reason is that despite driving a 10 ton truck or bus for more than a day, the drivers still don't understand that they have a shitload more momentum and require more stopping space than the compact car they drive at home.

Also specifically with the construction trucks (dump trucks, cement mixers etc) my understanding is they are paid by the kilometer, so they have a strong motivation to speed and blow through red lights and such. These trucks never, ever, ever follow traffic laws and every serious/fatal crash I've seen has been one of them going through a red at full speed and just obliterating someone.


what

Boiled Water posted:

Having read this I still don't fully understand why unless it's penny wise pound foolish extrapolated towards everything.

Penny wise pound foolish might as well be China's official motto.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Truly a fitting end.

quote:

China's futuristic 'straddling bus' now sits abandoned, gathering dust and blocking traffic

China's once-celebrated Traffic Elevated Bus (TEB) has been left abandoned in the middle of a Hebei city road, not having moved once in over two months. Originally touted as the futuristic solution to urban traffic jams, the "straddling bus" is currently causing them.

A local reporter recently checked up on "the future of public transportation" at its testing site in Qinhuangdao, only to find it forgotten in a rusted garage, covered in dust. The bus is currently being looked after by a pair of old security guards who reluctantly admit that they've been forgotten about as well.

"The managers from the company have long drifted away, and I am unable to contact them," said an unidentified guard.

This is quite the reversal from early August when the TEB made its first "test-run" to much fanfare and media coverage on a tiny 300-meter-long strip of road in Qinhuangdao. Unfortunately, testing was abruptly stopped only a few days later after Chinese state media labeled the "straddling bus" a big, fat scam. Nervous investors soon began asking for their money back and public criticism started to far outweigh the positive hype that the headline-catching project once enjoyed.

In early September, it was announced that the TEB would begin testing again, and local residents were invited to take part. However, that arrangement doesn't seem to have lasted very long and the "straddling bus" has since returned to its garage.

Despite its innovative design, critics have pointed out a few flaws with the "straddling bus." For example, only vehicles that are no more than 2.1 meters in height can pass freely underneath the bus, yet vehicles of up to 4.2 meters in height are allowed on most Chinese roads.

A few other concerns include that the 22-meter-long bus may be too heavy and cumbersome for roads in China, which have fallen victim to sinkholes in the past. Also, in the event of an emergency, passengers will be forced to escape from the carriage while suspended two stories above the ground.

But as much as TEB Tech may want everyone to forget about the "straddling bus," it simply refuses to die, living on now as a local traffic nuisance.

To test its invention, the company actually leased part of a city road in Qinhuangdao. Since the bus now remains exactly where it was abandoned , it continues to block three lanes of traffic, annoying residents to no end.

"No one has done anything with it in over two months. It still hasn't been dismantled," said local resident Chen Peng. "Give us back our road so we can pass through."

Unfortunately, locals won't be able to get rid of the "straddling bus" so easily.

The lease for the 300-meter-long test track was set to expire on August 31st; however, in September TEB Tech deputy manager and spokesperson Li Nancang confirmed that the lease had been extended for another year.


With one foot in the grave, it looks like the "straddling bus" finally lives up to its name.

Sorry, kid.



http://shanghaiist.com/2016/12/05/straddling_bus_abandoned.php

THE PWNER
Sep 7, 2006

by merry exmarx
I made some new China friends recently and we had lunch. I asked them how they would feel if a westerner spoke to them in Mandarin. They said they'd think it was great and really impressive because they know how hard it is to learn an unfamiliar language, having learned English.

I then told them that ACTUALLY, Chinese people are incredibly patronising towards any foreigner trying to speak Mandarin. They didn't know what I was talking about. I no longer have 2 new Chinese friends.

Guys... Is this thread.. Wrong??

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Were they under 30 or so? There's a biiiiiig difference there.

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.

THE PWNER posted:

I then told them that ACTUALLY, Chinese people are incredibly patronising towards any foreigner trying to speak Mandarin. They didn't know what I was talking about. I no longer have 2 new Chinese friends.

i wonder about this with a lot of the stories people have about them interacting with locals when it goes horribly

THE PWNER
Sep 7, 2006

by merry exmarx

Grand Fromage posted:

Were they under 30 or so? There's a biiiiiig difference there.

Yes they're 23

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


Baronjutter posted:

What's up with the UK and being obsessed with desperately trying to become BFF's with china lately?

They're idiots who confuse BRICs and Brits

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

THE PWNER posted:

I made some new China friends recently and we had lunch. I asked them how they would feel if a westerner spoke to them in Mandarin. They said they'd think it was great and really impressive because they know how hard it is to learn an unfamiliar language, having learned English.

I then told them that ACTUALLY, Chinese people are incredibly patronising towards any foreigner trying to speak Mandarin. They didn't know what I was talking about. I no longer have 2 new Chinese friends.

Guys... Is this thread.. Wrong??

You just caused them to lose face and they wanted to distance themselves from you.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


THE PWNER posted:

Yes they're 23

There's your answer then.

THE PWNER
Sep 7, 2006

by merry exmarx

Grand Fromage posted:

There's your answer then.

So do people here really just complain cus old Chinese people are xenophobic? Old people everywhere are xenophobic so that sounds pretty normal.

Also they didn't actually run away from me. We had a nice discussion about Mandarin's popularity in the west and the Confucius institute, which I was really surprised to find they had never heard of. They're from the north and I guess there's no foreigners there because they said they'd never actually met a white person who could speak Mandarin before.

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
Oh good Pwner is back

nomad2020
Jan 30, 2007

I can see across the street while looking out the window, the USD conversion has been fixed, and some guy in the colonies talked to some Chinese people. I think we can say China's at least #4 now.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


THE PWNER posted:

So do people here really just complain cus old Chinese people are xenophobic? Old people everywhere are xenophobic so that sounds pretty normal.

No, there are plenty of xenophobic young people and young people are actually more nationalist a lot of the time, since they've been pushing nationalism in school real hard since 1989 for some reason. But the odds of meeting someone cool increase greatly once you're talking to someone in their 20s. The generation gap in both China and Korea is enormous, more of a generation canyon.

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THE PWNER
Sep 7, 2006

by merry exmarx

Sheep-Goats posted:

Oh good Pwner is back

Yes and I actually interact with more Chinese people than many posters in this thread who live in China!


Grand Fromage posted:

No, there are plenty of xenophobic young people and young people are actually more nationalist a lot of the time, since they've been pushing nationalism in school real hard since 1989 for some reason. But the odds of meeting someone cool increase greatly once you're talking to someone in their 20s. The generation gap in both China and Korea is enormous, more of a generation canyon.

Sounds much like the good ol' USA, where half the young people come out as nationalistic state worshipers and the other half are sjw liberal commies.

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