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ElPez posted:Sweden-bashing is, however, especially in the "alt news". There's a (not necessarily big) group of very loud people who specialize in spreading bile around 24/7, and it's p. loathsome. It's not just the usual suspects in the alt-right crowd that parrot this kind of stuff, unfortunately. Sweden is increasingly being seen as some kind of failed state, a barren post-apocalyptic hunting ground for the sinister mohamedans, and I've heard this from avid readers of the Daily Mail to otherwise sensible people whose knowledge of Scandinavia is just limited. That it's essentially garbage neo-nazi propaganda doesn't seem to faze anyone who believe in it, because it serves to vindicate their view that permitting refugees into their country will destroy it, and that is feelgud for lizard parts in the brain.
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murphyslaw posted:It's not just the usual suspects in the alt-right crowd that parrot this kind of stuff, unfortunately. Sweden is increasingly being seen as some kind of failed state, a barren post-apocalyptic hunting ground for the sinister mohamedans, and I've heard this from avid readers of the Daily Mail to otherwise sensible people whose knowledge of Scandinavia is just limited. That it's essentially garbage neo-nazi propaganda doesn't seem to faze anyone who believe in it, because it serves to vindicate their view that permitting refugees into their country will destroy it, and that is feelgud for lizard parts in the brain. I feel that this sentiment is kind of hilarious considering the state of literally every economy we're surrounded by.
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murphyslaw posted:It's not just the usual suspects in the alt-right crowd that parrot this kind of stuff, unfortunately. Sweden is increasingly being seen as some kind of failed state, a barren post-apocalyptic hunting ground for the sinister mohamedans, and I've heard this from avid readers of the Daily Mail to otherwise sensible people whose knowledge of Scandinavia is just limited. That it's essentially garbage neo-nazi propaganda doesn't seem to faze anyone who believe in it, because it serves to vindicate their view that permitting refugees into their country will destroy it, and that is feelgud for lizard parts in the brain. Well, with a record breaking numbers of murders in Malmö which have overloaded the police leading them to deprioritize investigating burglaries, thefts, assault and so forth one might think they have some basis for the idea that Sweden is on the wrong track. Oh, and the people in Malmö having to push by drug dealers in order to pick up their kids at day care. That is surely the workings of a functioning state. http://www.sydsvenskan.se/2016-12-04/polisordern-lagg-undan-vardagsbrott
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murphyslaw posted:It's not just the usual suspects in the alt-right crowd that parrot this kind of stuff, unfortunately. Sweden is increasingly being seen as some kind of failed state, a barren post-apocalyptic hunting ground for the sinister mohamedans, and I've heard this from avid readers of the Daily Mail to otherwise sensible people whose knowledge of Scandinavia is just limited. That it's essentially garbage neo-nazi propaganda doesn't seem to faze anyone who believe in it, because it serves to vindicate their view that permitting refugees into their country will destroy it, and that is feelgud for lizard parts in the brain. I get that a lot from Americans. "You're not such a socialist utopia you say you are!". Um.. we never said that. You guys did.
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Cardiac posted:Well, with a record breaking numbers of murders in Malmö which have overloaded the police leading them to deprioritize investigating burglaries, thefts, assault and so forth one might think they have some basis for the idea that Sweden is on the wrong track. Oh, and the people in Malmö having to push by drug dealers in order to pick up their kids at day care. That is surely the workings of a functioning state. That drug dealer story makes me roll me eyes every time it turns up. The pushers have been hanging around there since forever but it has never inconvenienced anyone beyond this one incident where apparently someone pissed off someone else. I'm not condoning drug dealing but there is no reason to paint the dealers as some sort of terrible menace, and it definitely isn't some glaring symptom of a failing society.
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Beeswax posted:That drug dealer story makes me roll me eyes every time it turns up. The pushers have been hanging around there since forever but it has never inconvenienced anyone beyond this one incident where apparently someone pissed off someone else. I'm not condoning drug dealing but there is no reason to paint the dealers as some sort of terrible menace, and it definitely isn't some glaring symptom of a failing society.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Where will they get their drugs now? Guess they'll have to go back to ordering spice over the internet again and dying in their bedrooms.
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Beeswax posted:That drug dealer story makes me roll me eyes every time it turns up. The pushers have been hanging around there since forever but it has never inconvenienced anyone beyond this one incident where apparently someone pissed off someone else. I'm not condoning drug dealing but there is no reason to paint the dealers as some sort of terrible menace, and it definitely isn't some glaring symptom of a failing society. Yeah dude that is Totally Normal to have children being exposed to career criminals at a young age. Jeez call me conservative or whatever lmao
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Wild Horses posted:Yeah dude that is Totally Normal to have children being exposed to career criminals at a young age. The kids are not being hassled by dangerous thugs. For years it's been a couple of guys who stand around on the street not bothering anyone. Glad we got an unironic "THINK OF THE CHILDREN" though.
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Wild Horses posted:Yeah dude that is Totally Normal to have children being exposed to career criminals at a young age.
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It's so weird how people can have perfectly reasonable, coherent (if misguided by conservo-liberal leanings) opinions, but the moment there is even the slightest hint of muslims or immigration in the context, it's just 'disengage brain', lose all critical thinking skills and regurgitate rightwing nationalist propaganda without thought. That reminds me, wasn't Sweden supposed to have collapsed under the sheer weight of the walking dead style, immigrant, muslim, hordes by now? Or are we back to normal where the real danger is the insidious plot to breed white man out of existence?
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Revelation 2-13 posted:That reminds me, wasn't Sweden supposed to have collapsed under the sheer weight of the walking dead style, immigrant, muslim, hordes by now? Maybe your libshit brain memoryholed it but we had a situation a year ago where we literally ran out of room and had to do a 180 degree reversal in the eleventh hour from a full retard Nation Without Borders-policy to one the most restrictive in Europe.. Had we kept going with the sentiment of this thread at the time, we'd have had shanty towns and highway robber gangs countrywide by now. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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R.I.P. Scandipool, vi klarade oss ganska länge den här gången ändå.
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Echo-chambers are not a great thing for anyone, but it would be nice if we could have a thread without the same three posters responding to every other post with far-right derails, conspiracy theories and propaganda. Even if one believes in this stuff there is more to Scandiavian politics than immigration and I for one would like to be able to get deep into that valuable discourse. I am of course talking about issues such as Swedish pizza and which taco toppings are the best.
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The muslim armageddon is a lot like the socalist revolution: happening any day now
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Beeswax posted:The muslim armageddon is a lot like the socalist revolution: happening any day now This thread being anything but poo poo happens some time after that.
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Karpaw posted:This thread being anything but poo poo happens some time after that.
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I bike past the super scary dealers 2-4 times every week. They look far more bored than scary, which is hardly surprising since they stand outside in awful Nordic weather all evening and night, every night. Big deal. Malmö is far less scary if you live here: a lot of the "scary streets" are literally a strip of about a hundred metres in a suburb, and the killings are almost exclusively organized criminals killing each other. Sure it sucks for the people living on those specific streets, but it is hardly a post-apocalyptic wasteland. The scaremongers are almost always people who never even visited Malmö. However, the pushers moved on lately, and I haven't seen them the last couple of weeks. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Dec 5, 2016 |
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lilljonas posted:I bike past the super scary dealers 2-4 times every week. They look far more bored than scary, which is hardly surprising since they stand outside in awful Nordic weather all evening and night, every night. Big deal. Malmö is far less scary if you live here: a lot of the "scary streets" are literally a strip of about a hundred metres in a suburb, and the killings are almost exclusively organized criminals killing each other. Sure it sucks for the people living on those specific streets, but it is hardly a post-apocalyptic wasteland. The scaremongers are almost always people who never even visited Malmö. The typical 'flashbacker' view of Malmö would be hilarious if it weren't a sort of canary of the zeitgeist. According to flashback all noble Swedes must keep their eyes on the ground in submission when walking the streets of Malmö, lest they be attacked by their mohammedan overlords. Not that Malmö isn't the Kung of Skitstäder. Just not in that way.
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Beeswax posted:The kids are not being hassled by dangerous thugs. For years it's been a couple of guys who stand around on the street not bothering anyone. alright fair enough. i don't know poo poo about poo poo apparently. And kids and drugs are two things that should not mix, sorry but that point still stands
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Wild Horses posted:alright fair enough. i don't know poo poo about poo poo apparently.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I don't get it, do Swedish drug dealers sell drugs to children attending daycare?!
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Wild Horses posted:alright fair enough. i don't know poo poo about poo poo apparently. The tragedy is not that the kids are selling drugs in the wrong place, it's that they get caught up in that lifestyle at all, and there's nobody there to take care of them. They are so incredibly simple to identify, yet there's nothing to do. Personally I'd think it would be better to force them into some other environment, I dunno, make them finish school at some folkhögskola out in the forest where they get space to find a new path, but what do I know. E: for people who obviously don't know the story: Drugs are sold quite openly next to a park that is very popular among families, especially hipster parents. There's also a daycare on the street by the park, where the sellers hang out. The drugdealers mainly use young guys, often underage, to handle the drugs, since they are quickly released if the police catch them. The kids are often from that very area, they grow up next to drug criminals and are recruited at a very young age, ruining their future. It's pretty awful and sad, but hardly scary unless you are looking for propaganda about Malmö being a failed sharia state. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Dec 5, 2016 |
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So I thought, that sounds exactly like drug dealers in Latvia.
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Maybe it would be better to do something about the horrible drug laws that cause drug dealers to be in those parks in the first place. Seems like the most logical solution to me.
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Stockholm Syndrome posted:Maybe it would be better to do something about the horrible drug laws that cause drug dealers to be in those parks in the first place. Seems like the most logical solution to me.
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Fox Cunning posted:Not that Malmö isn't the Kung of Skitstäder. Just not in that way. I hear that apart from maybe an alley or two as a whole it's among the nicer cities in Scandinavia. Good restaurants, good bars and breweries, but smaller, friendlier and cheaper than Göteborg and especially Stockholm. Idyllic in the summer etc. I've never been though, and the dude vouching for it drives tanks for a living so maybe he's used to an apocalyptic wasteland.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:With your laws on alcohol, I'll believe Trump's socialist paradise before the decriminalization of drug use or possession in Sweden.
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lilljonas posted:I bike past the super scary dealers 2-4 times every week. They look far more bored than scary, which is hardly surprising since they stand outside in awful Nordic weather all evening and night, every night. Big deal. Malmö is far less scary if you live here: a lot of the "scary streets" are literally a strip of about a hundred metres in a suburb, and the killings are almost exclusively organized criminals killing each other. Sure it sucks for the people living on those specific streets, but it is hardly a post-apocalyptic wasteland. The scaremongers are almost always people who never even visited Malmö. Well, the police made them uncomfortable around there so they moved on. Also, interesting to see that the thread condones open drug dealing as long as they don't bother anyone. But hey, as long as I can by my weed I am cool with that. It is also interesting to see that the hand grenade attacks, torching of cars and shootings on open street are no longer considered newsworthy and only a problem for the locals. I went to school in Malmö and have been living around Malmö my whole life and Malmö have been going downwards for the last 20 years. We had immigrant gangs robbing other teenagers in the 90s, yugos during that time and that was just a common day occurence. There are places in Malmö with large metallic gates, which weren't there 10-20 years ago. Malmö is a large Potemkin kuliss at this stage. Todays news. But hey, not a problem. http://www.sydsvenskan.se/2016-12-05/stjernfeldt-jammeh-bortvalda-brott-kan-sla-sonder-fortroendet-for-polisen Beeswax posted:Malmö is an ugly city* full of cool people and a really nice sense of community. It's a bizarro-world version of Stockholm, basically. Malmö was originally built on a swamp that was drained. Apparently drain the swamp didn't work. Cardiac fucked around with this message at 08:16 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Cardiac posted:I went to school in Malmö and have been living around Malmö my whole life and Malmö have been going downwards for the last 20 years. I shouldn't have re-iterate why feelings of nostalgia and gut feelings on crime levels are unreliable but your own paper already told you about why this sentiment is very likely objectively wrong so just read that I suppose. Here is the most relevant part quote:Jonas Hult tror att media är ett stort skäl till att folk upplever att kriminaliteten ökar. The crime prioritization debate is another matter but that is also not a Malmö issue, that is national and everywhere. Cardiac posted:Malmö was originally built on a swamp that was drained. Apparently drain the swamp didn't work. Wait, Malmö is our Washington? ... Well, I guess it's still beats Gothenburg that will someday literally slide into the sea.
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