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Zenostein
Aug 16, 2008

:h::h::h:Alhamdulillah-chan:h::h::h:

Polsy posted:

ugh, you reminded me I'll never have a multiple of 25 ever again



Think of it as a reminder to actually pay attention to what you're clicking.

Lest you be like me and wipe an account by accident (in a game without login-based portability).


Also I really gotta remember to not use the teams with the overload idols when there's a health floor for each song…

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ZepiaEltnamOberon
Oct 25, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
Finally getting around to posting this since I dunno when I'll have the time again.

One thing I really appreciated was Dia chewing the group out for trying to get a jump in rankings via a change in costume and then her pointing out that this boost wouldn't really last, which turned out to be true. It's especially meaningful cause we saw Muse try to go down that route when they thought they didn't really have the impact that A-RISE did as they were getting ready for the match against them. Of course, Muse took.... a far more extreme and dysfunctional approach, whereas Of Course took something that could work as an idol group theme.

Of course, the issue is that the outfits were just an act, and none of the cast (save Yoshiko) is actually into that stuff beyond Chika thinking it sorta looks cool. In other words, it's a ratings grab and one that doesn't really think too much about the future. If the new outfits and concept had been received well, would Of Course have continued to stick with the concept? Or would they have just switched away once they lost interest? The first, obviously, would be them not being true to themselves, while the second shows insincerity. Cause there's a different between going through different costumes and going through different concepts. And either way, Dia's prediction would have come true either way, just later than expected.

In the end, Of Course comes to the same conclusion that Muse came too, and decides not to force a concept. They decide to just be true to themselves.

On another note, the theme of the girls feeling that they don't have anything interesting about them continues again. It's what inspired Chika to start the school idol group in the first place, and it's why Yoshiko pretends to be Yohane. In essence, Yoshiko adapted a concept because she wanted to stand out. This, and Dia's aforementioned point about trying to stand out, draws comparisons to Cinderella Girls and it's concepts, as well as Mishiro's (bullshit) claim of wanting to inspire regular / plain girls to admire and want to become idols.

Like, Miku's very first statement to the girls of New Generations in episode 2 of CG is, if I recall correctly, asking them what sort of concepts they want to take, telling them that being a cat is already taken. Which opens the way for how concepts play into CG, something I already posted a lot about using Sana as an example. Though not all the idols stick with concepts. New Generations doesn't really have a single concept in the way that Miku or Mika or Riina or Ranko do. Anya is Russian, but it's not really a major part of who she is an an idol. Kaede is the biggest idol in 346, but she's just a top idol whose main thing is that she's really good to her fans.

But one thing I don't recall talking about was what you'd do when you have idols with overlapping concepts. Like, Miku is a cat girl idol, but what would happen if you had other idols take on cat traits? Bam, Miku's suddenly looking at competition. I'm pretty sure there's a glasses idol who's thing is literally wearing glasses and making glasses jokes. Haruna or whatever her name was. But glasses? How many idols with glasses are there? Hell, even Miku wears glasses! She's incredibly cute with glasses on! Or them off! Miku is just cute period!!!!

I was gonna post more about how Miku treats her concept as a on-the job thing and a professional thing but then I realized I went waaaaaaay off the point I was talking about so I'll leave it here.

ZepiaEltnamOberon
Oct 25, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
Have I mentioned how much I like Miku.

Sylphid
Aug 3, 2012

Polsy posted:

Yeah, the tour is the least new player friendly event, the later requirements are just not possible if you don't have the higher-end idols for them.

This is something I hope they change in future Parades. Without a lot of SRs, you're going to hit the wall pretty fast, but even if you do, there's a different kind of wall just beyond it. The score potential between SRs and SSRs is not inconsiderable.

Futaba Anzu
May 6, 2011

GROSS BOY

Zettace
Nov 30, 2009
The goodies for completing the areas in Parades aren't really that great anyways. The only good stuff is in the very last stages and even those are pretty difficult without multiple SSRs.

You can still get all the good stuff by grinding points and you can do that in the beginner areas just as well. Just consider it a point grinding event like a token event or groove with "optional" missions that will give you some extra bonus goodies.

Honestly, I like it the way it is. The current difficulty gives a sense of achievement and you can't actually be locked out of the nice rewards even if you do hit a wall.

Polsy
Mar 23, 2007


Can't believe Anzu was one of the top 10 new species winners.

Zettace posted:

You can still get all the good stuff by grinding points and you can do that in the beginner areas just as well. Just consider it a point grinding event like a token event or groove with "optional" missions that will give you some extra bonus goodies.

For the second SR 40,000 points or 1,000,000 fans feels like a pretty tall order but it's hard for me to tell how much you can manage at lower levels when you keep getting stamina refills from level ups. Personally I don't think I could get the points but I could probably manage the fans if I put in some more effort.

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

Any recommendations for which events in there would be good for grinding fans? Like is the 3 song mission gonna give me more or fewer fans for my energy than a 1 song one?

also I left you guys comments I think but its not clearing that advent calendar square - top right on the second board. has that changed since the moeidolatry page?

Polsy
Mar 23, 2007

Super No Vacancy posted:

also I left you guys comments I think but its not clearing that advent calendar square - top right on the second board. has that changed since the moeidolatry page?

The panel board goes away after you complete it so I can't check, but I'd be surprised if it changed. I don't have a comment from you, personally.

Polsy
Mar 23, 2007

Oh, also, if you see this message your comment was rejected for containing banned words

Polsy
Mar 23, 2007

Hate-Senpai posted:

Have I mentioned how much I like Miku.

I feel like you've mentioned it. It's kind of impressive how litte overlap there is in CG considering there's nearly 200 idols, but it doesn't leave them any room to grow of course.

Sylphid
Aug 3, 2012

Polsy posted:

Oh, also, if you see this message your comment was rejected for containing banned words



Can't believe you were so mean to a level 11 Producer.

Sylphid fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Dec 4, 2016

Zenostein
Aug 16, 2008

:h::h::h:Alhamdulillah-chan:h::h::h:

Super No Vacancy posted:

Any recommendations for which events in there would be good for grinding fans? Like is the 3 song mission gonna give me more or fewer fans for my energy than a 1 song one?

also I left you guys comments I think but its not clearing that advent calendar square - top right on the second board. has that changed since the moeidolatry page?

Using the highly scientific method of checking just one place, my gut instinct is that they're all basically the same.

西
2 star 香川
full clear
306 pt
12051人

1 star鳥取
full clear
159 pt (318)
5684人(11368)

Actually, in this highly scientific test, you are ever-so-slightly penalized for doing multiple songs at a go points-wise, but not fans-wise. While that does sorta gel with how, for example, token events work, I really don't think that's enough to worry about one way or the other.

I'd say the best events would be 上方 1 and 2. Their only requirements are score: 350k total for two songs or 200k for one. That should be reasonably doable (probably the two song one is easier if you're not full of SRs/not playing master?).

drat sight better than, for example "at least one FC." Nothing guarantees you will gently caress up quite so well as needing to do it.

Zettace
Nov 30, 2009

Zenostein posted:

drat sight better than, for example "at least one FC." Nothing guarantees you will gently caress up quite so well as needing to do it.
I cheesed it by doing a song on the lowest difficulty but I was still sweating bullets as one gently caress up will ruin the entire 3 song effort.

Zenostein
Aug 16, 2008

:h::h::h:Alhamdulillah-chan:h::h::h:

Zettace posted:

I cheesed it by doing a song on the lowest difficulty but I was still sweating bullets as one gently caress up will ruin the entire 3 song effort.

Yeah, except I'll almost definitely gently caress up a song on debut by dicking around while waiting for notes, and I've mostly forgotten the pro maps, so I mostly pray for 1–2 doable daily songs and then slam in a saite jewel, which is usually a sure shot.

Man it is super unpleasant loving up the first two songs… (or loving up saite jewel, or having one of those fairly rare non-gamecenter-related blips in the game…)

God I hate the FC required ones.


But hey on the plus side I managed to FC chocolate tiara finally. …except it's an event, so that doesn't count :v:

Sylphid
Aug 3, 2012

Zenostein posted:

But hey on the plus side I managed to FC chocolate tiara finally. …except it's an event, so that doesn't count :v:

Still better than FCing that very same song, but via a practice ticket.

taser rates
Mar 30, 2010
If you're not worked about difficulty, I believe the higher cost stamina events are more efficient in terms of fan gain rate per stamina point spent, at least if you can consistently meet the conditions, so just do whatever the most expensive one you're valuable of doing is.

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

usamin power agaiiiiiiiiin

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

I can't get the 200,000 score ones but the 45 energy/1000 note/fewer than 30 miss sets seem to get me a lot of cinderella slippers which i am also in severe need of so i'm doing those rn

Zenostein
Aug 16, 2008

:h::h::h:Alhamdulillah-chan:h::h::h:
I like how you're getting screwed on stamina costs if you play below Pro, personally. It's like the idea never entered their minds.

Sylphid posted:

Still better than FCing that very same song, but via a practice ticket.

I keep forgetting those exist. Like, the last time I used one was by accident, because I hit the ticket button with another part of my hand while reaching for something.

Man, I was pretty confused for a while there.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
SRW Fanatic




A terrible secret revealed.

Cialis Railman
Apr 20, 2007




Futaba Anzu
May 6, 2011

GROSS BOY

Argas posted:

A terrible secret revealed.


i'm legitimately getting triggered

Zenostein
Aug 16, 2008

:h::h::h:Alhamdulillah-chan:h::h::h:
It was basically inevitable.




Like evolution.



I know Nico's kinda an rear end in a top hat, but why's she getting in on this? She never really struck me as a dog person.

graybook
Oct 10, 2011

pinya~
The SKINWALKER's adaptability knows no bounds.

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


Zenostein posted:

I know Nico's kinda an rear end in a top hat,
Wow, rude!

Julias
Jun 24, 2012

Strum in a harmonizing quartet
I want to cause a revolution

What can I do? My savage
nature is beyond wild

Made my morning :allears:

Yes_Cantaloupe
Feb 28, 2005
Nico is a friend to all who are small and oppressed.

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

wah the event song recommender changed all the songs I can't sight-read all these different ones on pro. why have you forsaken me usamin power

edit: good news i used a 30 energy drink for a two-song event and failed the first song about 8 notes in

Super No Vacancy fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Dec 5, 2016

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

omg both of my next rewards are mikus

Do I pretty much just immediately star power those together or is that not optimal somehow

Zenostein
Aug 16, 2008

:h::h::h:Alhamdulillah-chan:h::h::h:

Just call it like I see it.

Super No Vacancy posted:

omg both of my next rewards are mikus

Do I pretty much just immediately star power those together or is that not optimal somehow

For when star levels matter (Caravans), I'm not quite sure a 2-star SR is better than a 10-star R, except for the better center skill; and I think ultimately only the star level of your center counts for live awards and stuff anyway, so it doesn't matter too terribly much right this instant.

However you're probably not swimming in SRs, so your support team could probably use a boost. For now it might be better to level the two of them separately, if you can swing it. The support team's made of the 10 highest total-appeal idols (for that song) that aren't on your present team, and then you get half of that unit's total appeal added for your overall appeal (the green bit of that bar on the unit select screen). So if you can swing it, having an 'unused' SR+ in there is a pretty nice help, although it'll take a while to level up two SRs and then max affection for both…

Allarion
May 16, 2009

がんばルビ!

Super No Vacancy posted:

omg both of my next rewards are mikus

Do I pretty much just immediately star power those together or is that not optimal somehow

All star power does is affect your drop rate of items, and only applies to your center leader. Basically star power if you intend on using Miku as your leader, otherwise, it's probably better to use the extras as fusion fodder to potentially level up a better idol's skills. (I still star fuse everyone just cause I'm OCD about these things)

Zettace
Nov 30, 2009
A 2 star card is useless anyways. Don't bother.
Either keep the duplicate (for lack of SRs, making a team of a single idol, support member) or use it to boost the skill of another idol since SRs give a huge bonus to that.

Polsy
Mar 23, 2007

tbf, there's like 5 Mikus if you get them all

e: oh, has that 15,000-point Mika always been there? Not sure how I missed that when I was looking at how to get her without completing a stage eariler

Polsy fucked around with this message at 08:31 on Dec 6, 2016

Yes_Cantaloupe
Feb 28, 2005
I forget who, but someone wanted LL×Jojo fanart a while back.

X

X

Yes_Cantaloupe
Feb 28, 2005
uno mas

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Zenostein
Aug 16, 2008

:h::h::h:Alhamdulillah-chan:h::h::h:

Polsy posted:

tbf, there's like 5 Mikus if you get them all

e: oh, has that 15,000-point Mika always been there? Not sure how I missed that when I was looking at how to get her without completing a stage eariler

hah, I'd forgotten about the stage-unlock ones; I thought that 15k Mika was the only reasonable one…

e:
What the gently caress is this
西 5—徳島
Song level 26+, 1 bad/miss, note total fewer than 600.

What the gently caress. Why is it fewer?

I mean, I failed it anyway, which is good because oh my god if that was the sole failure condition…

Well, at least there's far more options for that than I thought…

Zenostein fucked around with this message at 10:45 on Dec 6, 2016

Polsy
Mar 23, 2007

Zenostein posted:

Also goddamn, that app gets laggy if you leave it open for more than like, 20 minutes. What the gently caress, mobage.

Oh, it does still do that for me after all. I guess it's been a while since I've used the app version for a long stretch.

Polsy
Mar 23, 2007

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Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


Yes_Cantaloupe posted:

I forget who, but someone wanted LL×Jojo fanart a while back.

X

X


It was me. These are great! I'm actually getting a huge Jojo board gaming playmat sometime next week. I'd have gotten a LLxJJ one if I knew of any 5500x5500+ art. The LL ones I saw in that resolution were all widescreen so you'd lose a couple girls to the side. Only way to fit all 9 would've been in a circle.

This is the mat: It was on sale for $35 during black friday weekend.

Chill la Chill fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Dec 6, 2016

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