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Furnaceface posted:I have to assume that the fan that comes with the CPU probably wont cut it, what should I be looking at if I want to get something for the i5-6600 I plan to purchase? I am extremely uncomfortable setting up any kind of liquid cooling on my own so Im hoping to avoid that if possible. Yes. The 6600K is just flat out better and if you can get it at the same effective price why not. Buy a Z-series motherboard too and then you can overclock down the road. The Z-series are also effectively the same price as the H170 series and all of the other Intel motherboard chipsets have big compromises involved that you shouldn't make for a gaming system. Don Lapre posted:The stock intel fan works fine. The 6600K does not include a stock Intel fan anyway so...
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He was talking about the 6600 non k originally
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Once you switch to a K, add in the Z motherboard and even just a 212 cooler you're looking at about a 100 dollar premium over a non overclocking setup. If you're not planning on overclocking it's a waste.
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craig588 posted:Once you switch to a K, add in the Z motherboard and even just a 212 cooler you're looking at about a 100 dollar premium over a non overclocking setup. If you're not planning on overclocking it's a waste. Yeah this is my worry about switching over to the k, Im already slightly over my budget without a fan. Im also not as good at computers as I used to be so overclocking isnt necessarily a thing Id be likely to do.
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craig588 posted:Once you switch to a K, add in the Z motherboard and even just a 212 cooler you're looking at about a 100 dollar premium over a non overclocking setup. If you're not planning on overclocking it's a waste. We're not forcing anyone to buy a K processor, but having the Z170 board so you have the OPTION to buy one down the line is very much worth it. The H170 and Z170 might share numbers, but the Z170 has a few more creature comforts that make it worthwhile. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 06:50 on Nov 26, 2016 |
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If you're just running stock clocks/volts then the stock Intel HSF should work OK since it only needs to dissipate something like 65W and can be had for $5-10 on ebay. Local PC shops tend to have them for cheap too though the ones where I live tend to charge $15 that is very YMMV. This one goes for $3+$3.40 shipping as a buy-it-now option. Idle temps should be around 35C and heavy load temps around 80C which is fine. If you want much better temps or less noise or overclocking headroom then a OK aftermarket HSF like the CM212 is a must.
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With SFF type machines being built with limited thermal headroom, I really can't say that everyone will be completely fine with the stock heatsink. My i7-4790k CPU (that I got for a pretty steep discount from Microcenter that made it almost as cheap as buying a i5-4590 with a motherboard that had no discounts) was definitely thermal throttling in my Core V1 case with a GTX 970 also present. Even just running Handbrake and ffmpeg for 4+ days straight was rolling the dice for months and I was going nuts trying to figure out if something was wrong with my RAM or if I had some buggy software (beta software). I removed the GTX 970 and some of the instability of FPS (in my video encoding that is) went away, so I did an experiment by changing the stock heatsink out. Bam, I've had no crashes since. On the other hand, I never really cared too much for extra FPS at the cost of more power consumption (especially in a case with only so good temps) but with how single core performance has stagnated for years and will continue to do so, I think I'll be fine overclocking it years down the line just for gaming scenarios or if it needs it for some faster HEVC transcoding (probably going to get surpassed by hardware though since even high-end CPUs on their own don't reliably do realtime 1080p or 4k h.265 encode it appears).
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necrobobsledder posted:With SFF type machines being built with limited thermal headroom, I really can't say that everyone will be completely fine with the stock heatsink. My i7-4790k CPU (that I got for a pretty steep discount from Microcenter that made it almost as cheap as buying a i5-4590 with a motherboard that had no discounts) was definitely thermal throttling in my Core V1 case with a GTX 970 also present. Even just running Handbrake and ffmpeg for 4+ days straight was rolling the dice for months and I was going nuts trying to figure out if something was wrong with my RAM or if I had some buggy software (beta software). I removed the GTX 970 and some of the instability of FPS (in my video encoding that is) went away, so I did an experiment by changing the stock heatsink out. Bam, I've had no crashes since. This has nothing to do with thermal headroom in the case. That cooler was not sufficient for that processor, which is one reason why Intel stopped including them with their K processors.
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necrobobsledder posted:My i7-4790k CPU (that I got for a pretty steep discount from Microcenter that made it almost as cheap as buying a i5-4590 with a motherboard that had no discounts) was definitely thermal throttling in my Core V1 case It's somewhat known (I mentioned it a handful of times before) that the 4790K throttled with the stock heatsink under heavy load, it just wasn't suitable for the task at hand; which is probably partly why Intel decided to throw in the towel and not bother including that useless hunk of aluminium with the unlocked Skylakes.
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Will Zen beat Skylake/Kaby Lake and change the cpu market as we know it?
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Probably not, but if it's real competition it will at least force Intel to lower prices a bit.
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Otakufag posted:Will Zen beat Skylake/Kaby Lake and change the cpu market as we know it? Best case scenario: Zen is Haswell level architecture for slightly less Worst case scenario: Zen is bulldozer all over again but this time at a new and improved price.
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Kind of crossing my fingers that it'll be competitive and cost the three-fiddy is being rumored to be (lol yeah right), allowing for a 2S battlestation at an affordable price.
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Combat Pretzel posted:Kind of crossing my fingers that it'll be competitive and cost the three-fiddy is being rumored to be (lol yeah right), allowing for a 2S battlestation at an affordable price. Thats the hope. If we get anywhere close to Haswell single core performance, and we get 8 of them for $350, that will throw a wrench into the $1000+ CPU market Intel has been enjoying these past few years hopefully.
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Tom's Hardware has released their i7-7700k review. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-kaby-lake-core-i7-7700k-overclocking-performance-review,4836.html Does anyone know of any other reviews? Looking to see how the 7700k compares to a 4790k. I know it probably isn't an effective upgrade for me, but I just want to see comparatively.
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SlayVus posted:Tom's Hardware has released their i7-7700k review. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-kaby-lake-core-i7-7700k-overclocking-performance-review,4836.html 4.8GHz @ 1.3v is pretty impressive. Begs the question of what Kaby-X is going to do.
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Is it worthwhile to upgrade my 2500k? I'm satisfied up until 64-player Battlefield games.
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Tab8715 posted:Is it worthwhile to upgrade my 2500k? I'm satisfied up until 64-player Battlefield games. Overclock it if you haven't, then see if you're satisfied. A 3570k or 3770k overclocked would also be a drop in upgrade and can provide real tangible increase in performance if you don't want to overhaul your computer completely. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZxZiksWtRQ VulgarandStupid fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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VulgarandStupid posted:Overclock it if you haven't, then see if you're satisfied. A 3570k or 3770k overclocked would also be a drop in upgrade and can provide real tangible increase in performance if you don't want to overhaul your computer completely. How much do those go for used?
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PerrineClostermann posted:How much do those go for used? You can get used 3770k's off eBay for ~$200 if you're at all patient.
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SlayVus posted:Tom's Hardware has released their i7-7700k review. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-kaby-lake-core-i7-7700k-overclocking-performance-review,4836.html 
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:140w on that small a die Haha, time for water cooling!
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PerrineClostermann posted:How much do those go for used? 3570K's are only about $100-150 on ebay. I just saw one go for $80 on SA-Mart. 3770K's seem a bit more rare.
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When are the Kaby Lake X chips scheduled to come out? Or are we still waiting on the Skylake X? It looks to me that the next enthusiastic level chips won't be out until Coffee Lake in 2018 and those will still be 14nm. I really don't want to wait that long to finally build a new PC but the 7700k isn't really impressing me. So when is the 7850k or whatever going to be out?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:When are the Kaby Lake X chips scheduled to come out? Or are we still waiting on the Skylake X? It looks to me that the next enthusiastic level chips won't be out until Coffee Lake in 2018 and those will still be 14nm. I really don't want to wait that long to finally build a new PC but the 7700k isn't really impressing me. So when is the 7850k or whatever going to be out? What roadmaps we've seen have Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X coming out at the same time. Skylake-X will have more cores, while Kaby Lake-X has really high clocks.
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Twerk from Home posted:What roadmaps we've seen have Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X coming out at the same time. Skylake-X will have more cores, while Kaby Lake-X has really high clocks. everything I'm reading says that the 6 cores aren't coming until Coffee Lake next year. Is one coming earlier? And what are the estimated releases? This spring or later? Shimrra Jamaane fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:everything I'm reading says that the 6 cores aren't coming until Coffee Lake next year. Is one coming earlier? I meant to say that yes, they are coming out at the same time. Skylake-X is going to be a big socket, and have 6+ cores just like Haswell-E and Broadwell-E is what I've seen so far.
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Thanks for the info. Man the Intel roadmaps are really confusing. And by the time Sky/Kaby lake X chips come out I'll be asking if I should wait a bit longer for Coffee Lake.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:everything I'm reading says that the 6 cores aren't coming until Coffee Lake next year. Is one coming earlier? Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X will be sharing the same socket, from what things look like, both on a new large socket.
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LGA3647 seems like it's not going to be an enthusiast socket. Kaby-X and Skylake-X will be using Socket 2066 on X299 boards. Also, Coffee Lake isn't due until 2H 2018. Non-X Kaby is going to be around for a while.
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It's disappointing that the 7700k still doesn't seem like a worthwhile upgrade over my OC 2500k. I want to build a whole new PC already but I might as well continue to wait as SSDs continue to fall in price. Are there any motherboards with more than one USB 3.1C port?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:It's disappointing that the 7700k still doesn't seem like a worthwhile upgrade over my OC 2500k. I want to build a whole new PC already but I might as well continue to wait as SSDs continue to fall in price. Quite a few come with 1-2 Type A and only one Type C.
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News came out today that the new Nintendo console will charge over usb-c, while I think this is irrelevant to any sort of motherboard situation I can imagine it's still kind of a mile marker moment, and I'd really want a computer with usb-c going forward because loving everything will run off that now like it or not.
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AMD GPU's for future Intel iGPU's? Well. This wasn't something I expected, but considering Nvidia probably would have laughed Intel out of the meeting for the same sort of deal, I can see this working out as a net positive in the long run, especially say if AMD can use Intel's fabs for the iGPU's possibly?
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Pryor on Fire posted:News came out today that the new Nintendo console will charge over usb-c, while I think this is irrelevant to any sort of motherboard situation I can imagine it's still kind of a mile marker moment, and I'd really want a computer with usb-c going forward because loving everything will run off that now like it or not. Well it's just a tablet, and USB charging is already common on those. It would mean a lot more if it was something like the new PS4/Xbox One revisions using USB-C.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:It's disappointing that the 7700k still doesn't seem like a worthwhile upgrade over my OC 2500k. I want to build a whole new PC already but I might as well continue to wait as SSDs continue to fall in price. Bad news there, SSDs are about to get more expensive. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ssd-hdd-shortage-nand-market,33112.html
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Twerk from Home posted:Bad news there, SSDs are about to get more expensive. Well I'll be waiting long enough that I'm sure the prices will cycle back.
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