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Libertine posted:Orlando seems like a team that needs to make some deals but I feel like they are probably going to get robbed in any trade they make because their GM sucks rear end. They gave away: Tobias Harris Channing Frye Moe Harkless Oladipo And came away with after all that: Serge Ibaka 2 2nd round picks what a deal
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Yeah, the Magic are run like poo poo. What they really need to do is fire their GM before he ruins the team more.
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Dec 6, 2016 20:18
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Tae posted:They gave away: Don't forget the cap space to sign Jeff Green
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quote:Five and half years ago, a call had come into Myers inside the Warriors’ facility. Within 48 hours of the 2011 draft, the San Antonio Spurs had flown in Thompson for a clandestine workout and meeting with Gregg Popovich and R.C. Buford. bullet. dodged. no offense THE NORTH I guess everything worked out in the end though. 
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Dec 6, 2016 20:19
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Apparently DMo's contract is 4/37 only if he's in Brooklyn. The Rockets match means it's 4/31 What in the actual gently caress was BJ Armstrong thinking?
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The end of Portland's bench currently has an average PER of 23 and 0.213 WS/48. So who wants Napier, Layman, Quarterman and Connaughton in exchange for your star player?
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Dec 6, 2016 20:23
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Intruder posted:Apparently DMo's contract is 4/37 only if he's in Brooklyn. The Rockets match means it's 4/31 What? Do you have a source? Poison Pills usually don't exist for full on RFAs like this, and I've never see a, what, reverse poison pill? Edit: Oh Bonus clauses, yeah those don't transfer. So it's 4/31 non-guarenteed. BJ decided to play chicken I guess.
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:The end of Portland's bench currently has an average PER of 23 and 0.213 WS/48. trade them for rudy gay or carmelo tbh
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Lockback posted:Edit: Oh Bonus clauses, yeah those don't transfer. So it's 4/31 non-guarenteed. BJ decided to play chicken I guess. Thanks, I didn't have the details on how that worked, someone posted a tweet elsewhere without any detail
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Intruder posted:Thanks, I didn't have the details on how that worked, someone posted a tweet elsewhere without any detail Right, so Nets included Bonuses that are attainable (which I think mean milestones that the player has achieved in the previous 2 seasons or something), but those don't need to be matched in a RFA. Attainable bonuses count as the contract for cap purposes. This is really rare for that reason in an RFA match situation, and in normal contracts the achievable bonuses are not something people usually care about. This looks like a hugely dumb move by DMo and BJ. Here are the terms. There is no reason Houston capitulates here. Worst case they just do nothing then cut him next year and DMo loses a year of playing time and doesn't get any money. quote:The Nets signed Motiejunas to a partially guaranteed four-year deal that could’ve been worth $35 million. The $4 million-plus in attainable bonus clauses in the Nets’ offer sheet weren’t applicable in the Rockets’ match. Ultimately, the base deal that Motiejunas would have had with Houston was worth $31 million if the Rockets picked up every option over the course of the four-year deal.
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I get why both the Rockets and DMo are doing this. Morey should have just let him go, he clearly doesn't want to be there and would probably hurt their locker room. I guess he just can't stand to view a player as anything other than an asset in this kind of situation.
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Dec 6, 2016 20:51
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Spacebump posted:I get why both the Rockets and DMo are doing this. Morey should have just let him go, he clearly doesn't want to be there and would probably hurt their locker room. I guess he just can't stand to view a player as anything other than an asset in this kind of situation. That's kind of unfair. I'm pretty sure almost every team in the league has matched RFAs, its part of the CBA and something the players and owners agreed to. Calling out Morey as some heartless monster for using the rules the players agreed to build the best team he can (aka, his job) seems weird to me.
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Lockback posted:That is not true, Duncan's BPM was almost 5 points difference, last year he didn't show up on RPM for some reason, but the year before he was one of the top guys in +/- when you account for teammates and opponents. He didn't play a ton of minutes, but it takes a load off your defense when someone can come in and reliably play ++ defense for 20 minutes a game. With Duncan off the floor the Spurs had a 100.9 defensive rating, still good enough for best in the league. It's just weird as gently caress to have such a collapse defensively like this with all signs pointing to it being Kawhi.
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straight up brolic posted:Strong armed by BJ Armstrong Thanks Obama
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Spacebump posted:I get why both the Rockets and DMo are doing this. Morey should have just let him go, he clearly doesn't want to be there and would probably hurt their locker room. I guess he just can't stand to view a player as anything other than an asset in this kind of situation. I can't believe that other GMs/owners would be too happy with Morey if he let a player just strongarm his way out of his RFA status It could also hurt the Rockets ability to deal with future RFAs
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Lockback posted:That's kind of unfair. I'm pretty sure almost every team in the league has matched RFAs, its part of the CBA and something the players and owners agreed to. Calling out Morey as some heartless monster for using the rules the players agreed to build the best team he can (aka, his job) seems weird to me. Yeah, if Dmo really wanted to be off the team, the right choice was to take the QO and then enjoy his inevitable trade at the deadline after telling the rockets he won't resign. He wanted his cake and eat it too. He wanted to make as much money as possible AND choose where he played. On top of that, the guy has huge injury concerns that complicate matters further. Dmo and BJ armstrong are to blame for this situation, not the Rockets.
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Lockback posted:That's kind of unfair. I'm pretty sure almost every team in the league has matched RFAs, its part of the CBA and something the players and owners agreed to. Calling out Morey as some heartless monster for using the rules the players agreed to build the best team he can (aka, his job) seems weird to me. Like I said, I get why both sides are doing what they are doing. I just think that when your main reason for matching someone that clearly doesn't want to be there is something like "we might be able to trade him, who cares if he wants minutes we can always cut him next year." You should maybe not match that guy. DMo also just wants to further his career in the best way possible for himself. Skipping the physical is extremely unprofessional so it's not like DMo is handling this perfectly. It's just a dumb situation all around. Spacebump fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Then he should have signed the QO. There was basically no way any team was going to give him a deal the Rockets would be unwilling to match e: You can argue RFA as a whole kind of sucks and screws the players and I'll nod and probably mostly agree with you, but the Rockets aren't exceptionally evil for using the process even if Morey does view players more as assets than people Intruder fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Quadrapellegiance posted:trade them for rudy gay or carmelo tbh They need an interior stopper, not whatever Gay and Carmelo are at this point.
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Bashez posted:With Duncan off the floor the Spurs had a 100.9 defensive rating, still good enough for best in the league. It's just weird as gently caress to have such a collapse defensively like this with all signs pointing to it being Kawhi. How many minutes has Kawhi played with Pau and LMA? Maybe it's more that teams are realizing you can put either of those two dudes in the pnr blender and Kawhi has to compensate.
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Spite posted:How many minutes has Kawhi played with Pau and LMA? This sounds like a job for NBAwowy.com edit: I'm on nbawowy.com and I have not figured out the answer
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Tae posted:Doesn't DMO have a sort of no-trade clause or something? I remember hearing that the rockets matching means the only out of his contract is basically cutting him before the playoffs. He can't be traded for three months which takes him past the trade deadline. That was why the Rockets set the deadline for him to make a deal with them, after that negotiations stopped Not a good look for the team admittedly e: three months with his permission. A full year until they can trade him regardless of his permission
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FIBA rules prevent DMo from playing in Europe now that he signed an offer sheet Man, I don't know where he goes from here
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Intruder posted:FIBA rules prevent DMo from playing in Europe now that he signed an offer sheet Stops being a baby and plays for the Rockets.
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Jack's Flow posted:https://twitter.com/tomhaberstroh/status/806148842563452928 Yeah gently caress he's so good off ball, his cuts are unreal.
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Fire Barack Obama, hire Dan Fegan, somehow get a max contract playing for some team next year. e: He didn't show up to his physical lol. And just when I was enjoying some drama free Rockets basketball. https://twitter.com/ChronSports/status/806196285732745216 quote:"We have our rights," Motiejunas' agent B.J. Armstrong said. "We're not going to show up. We'll see what happens. We'll see what the Rockets do. We have our rights." loving brilliant
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Either DMo and his agent are incredibly dumb or they think DMo is likely done playing basketball professionally because of his injuries. That contract looks like a "hey I get paid in off the chance I can stay healthy" deal. Brooklyn had to know that Houston would match. I wonder if Brooklyn signed DMo as a favor to BJ Armstrong. But BJ Armstrong isn't exactly a power player in the NBA. I mean look at this client list. http://basketball.realgm.com/info/agent-client-list/BJ-Armstrong/102 I guess Brooklyn is going to go hard after Draymond in 4 years?
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Getting in early on the Bruno Caboclo free agent frenzy e: So the Rockets can return him to free agency where he won't be able to sign with Brooklyn. Everyone on the Rockets has been pretty conciliatory and nice about this whole thing, I'm pretty sure it's just him wanting more money than he could possibly get combined with BJ Armstrong being an idiot Jarrett Jack weighs in https://twitter.com/Jarrettjack03/status/806238171046494208 chunkles fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Spacebump posted:I just think that when your main reason for matching someone that clearly doesn't want to be there is something like "we might be able to trade him, who cares if he wants minutes we can always cut him next year." You should maybe not match that guy. DMo also just wants to further his career in the best way possible for himself. Seems disingenuous to interpret the situation through the lens of "the Rockets are only matching to flip him to some other team asap", I think they genuinely want him on the team. He performed extremely well in 14-15 when Howard missed half the season. If he's healthy, he should look even better in D'Antoni's system. And they aren't going to bury him on the bench either, Capela's averaging 23 minutes a game and Ryan Anderson 32, the rest of the minutes at the 4 and 5 are up for grabs for him, Montrezl Harrell, and ancient Nene, so he could easily end up averaging 20-25 minutes a night if his back is healthy. EDIT: Intruder posted:Apparently Utah is making a better offer than the Brooklyn one so I guess DMo is hoping to return to RFA so he can take that one instead Why the hell did his agent sign the Brooklyn deal if there was the possibility of a better one floating around out there? I legitimately feel bad for D-Mo, his agent should be way better than this. houstonguy fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:Either DMo and his agent are incredibly dumb or they think DMo is likely done playing basketball professionally because of his injuries. That contract looks like a "hey I get paid in off the chance I can stay healthy" deal. Brooklyn signed the lowest risk contract I've ever seen for a player like that. Especially given their cap situation. If DMo was totally done Brooklyn loses $5mil and he has no cap hit next year. Thats why Houston didn't even let the ink dry before matching, any team that thinks DMO has a 10% chance of playing again (which includes Houston since they offered him the QO) would want him on that contract.
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Intruder posted:Apparently Utah is making a better offer than the Brooklyn one so I guess DMo is hoping to return to RFA so he can take that one instead If this actually is what is happening then there might be a bigger problem here. I'd imagine the league will come down hard on both Dmo and BJ if he is refusing to go to camp because he has a better deal in place.
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Lockback posted:Brooklyn signed the lowest risk contract I've ever seen for a player like that. Especially given their cap situation. If DMo was totally done Brooklyn loses $5mil and he has no cap hit next year. Thats why Houston didn't even let the ink dry before matching, any team that thinks DMO has a 10% chance of playing again (which includes Houston since they offered him the QO) would want him on that contract. I just realized DMo is probably going to pretend to be hurt for the next couple months so Houston will cut him, he will get his $5m and then be able to sign elsewhere. Also I'm pretty sure that if DMo is cut he could sign with Brooklyn. I think the rule is just for trades.
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Sheriff posted:Why the hell did his agent sign the Brooklyn deal if there was the possibility of a better one floating around out there? I legitimately feel bad for D-Mo, his agent should be way better than this. The offer wasn't made until after the offer sheet was signed. Keep in mind I'm going off second hand information here so I don't know how much of this is actually true Paul Zuvella posted:If this actually is what is happening then there might be a bigger problem here. I'd imagine the league will come down hard on both Dmo and BJ if he is refusing to go to camp because he has a better deal in place. I don't know if there's actually a rule about it in place though. If we're going to say that the team is using its ability to match an offer sheet to keep him here against his will, we also have to say that if there's nothing prohibiting this then the player and agent are using their leverage to get a better offer https://twitter.com/calvinwatkins/status/806211886555561984
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