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Fart Car '97
Jul 23, 2003

A good anna grenade can make or break a push you'd have to be pretty nuts to want it to go away

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Floppychop
Mar 30, 2012

Too bad the themed map isn't Hanamurna, Numbani, or Lijang Tower. Those are the only maps I ever seem to get to play.

grieving for Gandalf
Apr 22, 2008

timthetatman and moonmoon_ow stream Overwatch like every day and night and they're master/grandmaster level dudes

it helps they're entertaining as well

pakman
Jun 27, 2011

don't watch timthetatman

Watch lassiz instead.

Help Im Alive
Nov 8, 2009

zenyatta voice: play overwatch instead of letting others play it for you

eSporks
Jun 10, 2011

No Safe Word posted:

The difference being that nobody ran heavy in competitive TF2 so this didn't matter. And people still flexed (very rarely) to spy/sniper for singular pickoffs but you can't really do surprise class/hero switches in Overwatch because they reveal your hero picks.
He got ran in payload occasionally. He also got ran in 5cp before they banned his speed gloves. Heavy was just too slow for 5cp, the main tf2 game mode. With overwatch revolving so heavily around Ult balls teams can wait for a slow tank. Most of the tanks aren't even slow either.

This what I meant when I was saying overwatch has no interesting ebb and flow. It's just pure momentum or stalemates.

Smiles
Oct 23, 2012

Slowpoke! posted:

Ana POTGs are always amazing. The only recent game where I have been steamrolled was because of the enemy Ana. Her POTG was literally her nailing every single shot, a grenade and sleep dart on one of our pushes. It was one of those "Ah, that's what happened..." moments.

They're not always: my third potg, during the intro, everyone was like, "omg an Ana potg" then it just showed me shooting my buddies and then shooting an enemy genji once that someone else finished off. I guess it was less me doing a good job and more everyone else not having big plays (and the potg algorithm going, ehhhhh I'll give it to Ana who cares), but whatever I'll take it. :)

mcbexx
Jul 4, 2004

British dentistry is
not on trial here!



Matchmaking dropped me DEAD into a 3 vs 3 with a score of 0-2.

GG, as kids say these days, GG.

We still won, though.

Raskolnikov
Nov 25, 2003

I "made" a Dva theme xbox controller because I am a painful weeb. https://xboxdesignlab.xbox.com/en-US/customize/body

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Kashuno
Oct 9, 2012

Where the hell is my SWORD?
Grimey Drawer

Raskolnikov posted:

I "made" a Dva theme xbox controller because I am a painful weeb. https://xboxdesignlab.xbox.com/en-US/customize/body



:swoon:

Dyz
Dec 10, 2010
Don't nerf the grenades healing or debuff, just lower its duration by a second or 2. It always seems to last a bit too long.

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

Ana's Grenade should be a toggle that you designate for anti-heals or heals, not both :colbert:

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

Away all Goats posted:

Ana's Grenade should be a toggle that you designate for anti-heals or heals, not both :colbert:

What why would you want this

Sashimi
Dec 26, 2008


College Slice

Fusion Restaurant posted:

TBH I don't really think that there are any good podcasts for overwatch, but maybe I've missed one.

for other content I'd recommend:
Flame's YT
Steel's YT tips guides
All of skyline's videos
Seagull https://www.twitch.tv/a_seagull
Harbleu's twitch
Ajcel https://www.twitch.tv/ajcel
Thanks for posting these, it's irritating sifting through the hordes of terrible streamers and youtube channels to find anything worth watching.

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

Macaluso posted:

What why would you want this

I'm tired of seeing Ana every game and how hard she is to dive in on

Papercut
Aug 24, 2005

Sashimi posted:

Thanks for posting these, it's irritating sifting through the hordes of terrible streamers and youtube channels to find anything worth watching.

A few more I like:

https://www.twitch.tv/dspstanky (Lucio)
https://www.twitch.tv/iddqdow (hitscan insanity, seriously)
https://www.twitch.tv/custaa (Zen/Ana)

Rirse
May 7, 2006

by R. Guyovich
Jeez, why hasn't the Symmetra change been added yet?

resistentialism
Aug 13, 2007

Probably because she's a little over-tuned.

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

resistentialism posted:

Probably because she's a little over-tuned.

If anyone is over-tuned it's Lucio

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh
the solution to Ana's grenade is not to make it even more complicated than it already is

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
It's not complicated at all currently. It's just too good. Nerf the heal amount or something and leave the rest.

Jeza
Feb 13, 2011

The cries of the dead are terrible indeed; you should try not to hear them.
A fair way to nerf it would be to address it's AoE splash damage. The non-healing debuff is already insanely strong, I don't really get why it also deals damage on top of that.

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh

Bottom Liner posted:

It's not complicated at all currently.
Yes, it is. It does something nothing else in the game does(both damage and heal in a splash AoE), and then inflicts a status effect which is also caused by nothing else in the game(doubled healing from all sources), and then additionally inflicts another status effect which is caused by nothing else in the game(blocked healing from all sources).

It gives her splash damage on cooldown, burst splash healing on cooldown, and two totally unique status effects. It does like 4 loving things and 2 of them are separate effects which are completely unique to her character. It would be at least a bit more straightforward if the antiheal halved healing(so it was the inverse of the boosted heals) instead of being its own thing.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
Complicated =/= an ability that does a lot. It's simple as gently caress to use, throw a grenade, it heals allies, hurts enemies, stops heals on them. Is D.va's shield complicated just because it has a cooldown timer before it can recharge, is a toggle, is a directional projected shield, and has an energy bar?

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh
D.Va's barrier is relatively complicated, yeah, but for different reasons than the ones you gave(it interacts with most things but not all things, and the things that don't interact with it is slightly different than the things that interact with barriers).

Also there's a lot of complexity in when to use Ana's grenade because not only does it give huge burst heals to your allies and shut down enemy healing, it's also your only source of self heal, so you have to evaluate at all times whether it's worth using and putting on cooldown when it may be more useful in the near future. The multitude of effects means it's more difficult to tell when you should and should not use it, and adding a toggle on top of that that changes how it works would be awful

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
Yes the details of specific skills can get complicated when you list out all of the nitty gritty stuff, but every skill in this game is intuitive to use and simple enough for a child to understand. That's called depth. This is not LoL where every new champ brings new levels of skill bloat.

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Also there's a lot of complexity in when to use Ana's grenade because not only does it give huge burst heals to your allies and shut down enemy healing, it's also your only source of self heal, so you have to evaluate at all times whether it's worth using and putting on cooldown when it may be more useful in the near future.

This is precisely what I'm talking about. That kind of choice of when to use a skill or save it is great design, not an issue of it being complicated. I agree adding anything to it is a stupid and terrible idea.

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh
I didn't say that it was too complicated, but it's quite complicated in comparison to other skills and should not be moreso

Smiles
Oct 23, 2012

Pls dont nerf ana when im 34 wins away from being able to afford her gold gun :(

Schneider Inside Her
Aug 6, 2009

Please bitches. If nothing else I am a gentleman
Ana's grenade is hosed. It makes her impossible to dive on as you have to burn your way through 300hp while copping 80 damage bodyshots, deep in enemy territory.

Unoriginal Name
Aug 1, 2006

by sebmojo
Just bring the radius back down. If it has all of your character benefits tied to it, why does it need to be easy to hit?

Papercut
Aug 24, 2005

Unoriginal Name posted:

Just bring the radius back down. If it has all of your character benefits tied to it, why does it need to be easy to hit?

Right, people are coming up with all these ways to nerf it when the very obvious thing is just to revert its last buff, which even at the time people thought was silly.

terrified of my bathroom
Jan 24, 2014

GAY BOATS

Macaluso posted:

If anyone is over-tuned it's Lucio

lucio's gotten pretty much nothing but nerfs, he's honestly really weak outside of speed aura being the single most mandatory ability in the game at high levels

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.
delete lucio, use assets to make new hero, make speed aura the default movement speed, make amp it up speed achievable via bunnyhopping :getin:

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

terrified of my bathroom posted:

lucio's gotten pretty much nothing but nerfs, he's honestly really weak outside of speed aura being the single most mandatory ability in the game at high levels

the joke is he does lots of tunes

terrified of my bathroom
Jan 24, 2014

GAY BOATS

Macaluso posted:

the joke is he does lots of tunes

fukc you

Kerrzhe
Nov 5, 2008

Papercut posted:

A few more I like:

https://www.twitch.tv/dspstanky (Lucio)
https://www.twitch.tv/iddqdow (hitscan insanity, seriously)
https://www.twitch.tv/custaa (Zen/Ana)

https://www.twitch.tv/prolikechro

if you want to watch someone play nothing but junkrat and still be in top 500

(he is also super chill and nice and i really enjoy watching him play, he deserves more viewers)

Kerrzhe fucked around with this message at 07:01 on Dec 7, 2016

Tzen
Sep 11, 2001

I loving love this game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1-fTR5MQ3s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28JdpxGR4Fo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJeYy6m8ejc

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

A man after my own heart.

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug

you're the meaning in my life, you're the inspiratiooon.

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Ra Ra Rasputin
Apr 2, 2011
I wouldn't mind if anna's grenade only improved her own healing, it gets a bit silly when other healing skills get improved by 100%.

Anna grenade + soldier heal can keep a team alive in a zarya ult, anna grenade turns roadhog heal into a full heal.

Ra Ra Rasputin fucked around with this message at 12:37 on Dec 7, 2016

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