SUK ZONE: it's all a pointless exercise and you're just screaming into the void

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Fidel Cuckstro: Jul 2, 2007

comingafteryouall posted:

Did a single person the GOP primary actually have combat experience?

Ben Carson knifed a dude.

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:16

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loquacius: Oct 21, 2008

frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:

Counting for nothing is better than counting for someone you don't endorse or want.

If it makes you feel better, think of it less as a serious proposal and more as a TV show pitch

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:17

Bushiz: Sep 21, 2004; The #1 Threat to Ba Sing Se; Grimey Drawer

Didn't Ben Carson turn out to have not knifed a dude?

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:17

Shinjobi: Jul 10, 2008; Gravy Boat 2k

Honestly, I'm hoping Ellison gets the DNC soon. I've been on the fence about sticking with the Democrats or attending DSA meetings.

Give me some good news, DNC.

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:17

greatn: Nov 15, 2006; by Lowtax

frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:

I'm not sure it's possible to "ruin" Power Rangers

Obviously you've never seen Operation Overdrive.

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:18

Captain_Maclaine: Sep 30, 2001; Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

comingafteryouall posted:

Did a single person the GOP primary actually have combat experience?

No, and the only ones who even served in the military were Graham and Gilmore.

But yeah if we're going by strictly who's dropped bodies, Cruz is definitely up there.

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:19

Pollyanna: Mar 5, 2005; Milk's on them.

Shinjobi posted:

Honestly, I'm hoping Ellison gets the DNC soon. I've been on the fence about sticking with the Democrats or attending DSA meetings.

Give me some good news, DNC.

no reason you can't cross the aisles and do both, start proselytizing DSA stuff within the DNC :getin:

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:19

Nix Panicus: Feb 25, 2007

Zikan posted:

it's over barring haim saban dropping a video of keith saying "death to isreal" repeatedly

I'd vote for him twice as hard though.

Assuming, you know, we actually voted for the DNC chair.

Serf posted:

seems to me that gritty reboots are what we need right now

This has never been true. There has never been a need for a gritty reboot of anything, ever.

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:21

logikv9: Mar 5, 2009; Ham Wrangler

frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:

I'm not sure it's possible to "ruin" Power Rangers

Have you seen the concept art for alpha 5??

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:23

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

logikv9 posted:

Have you seen the concept art for alpha 5??

the movie looks like they're just copying transformers

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:23

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

Shinjobi posted:

Honestly, I'm hoping Ellison gets the DNC soon. I've been on the fence about sticking with the Democrats or attending DSA meetings.

Give me some good news, DNC.

the election is in feburary so you'll be waiting awhile

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:25

Shinjobi: Jul 10, 2008; Gravy Boat 2k

Zikan posted:

the election is in feburary so you'll be waiting awhile

gently caress everything

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:26

UHD: Nov 11, 2006

primary 2016 II: the bernier

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:26

Hail Mr. Satan!: Oct 3, 2009; by zen death robot

logikv9 posted:

Have you seen the concept art for alpha 5??

Unless it's a cardboard box painted red, it can't really be anything but an improvement.

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:27

GlyphGryph: Jun 23, 2013; Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:

A citizen should never have their vote counted for someone they didn't actually cast a vote for.

We live in a majority based representative system. The bulk of the population have their votes count for all sorts of things and people they would never actually vote for. Hell, a poo poo ton of the time our vote share actually gets applied by candidates we actively voted against! We vote for the people we want to make decisions on our behalf - that is literally how our democratic system functions, why is it so very bad in this one particular instance but okay literally the remaining 99.99% of the time, even though this is one of the few instances where our votes are guaranteed to be being applied by someone we actually support?

Like, I think the current system has some major flaws - I would love it if congressmen's votes were only be worth the portion of their electorate they actually won, for example. But this seems like the least bad context for this principle to apply.

Personally speaking I would much, MUCH rather vote for a "Kingmaker" I can trust to care about the same things as me, without worrying about their personal baggage or political chops, and let them do the hard work of identifying the candidate best capable of making those values reality. They'd be able to do all sorts of important poo poo I can't do or wouldn't have time to do, like actually going and talking to people, and knowing their hangers-on, and stuff like that.

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:29

Serf: May 5, 2011

I think we ought to be going to local meetings and beginning the push for socialist policies there, from the ground up. It won't be easy, but I mean of course it won't. We either sit back and do nothing and let the party drift right or into irrelevance or we put work into changing it.

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:30

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

Shinjobi posted:

Honestly, I'm hoping Ellison gets the DNC soon. I've been on the fence about sticking with the Democrats or attending DSA meetings.

Give me some good news, DNC.

u should go to DSA meetings

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:31

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

DSA is closer to an actual political party than the democrats, even tho they can't run candidates lol. they actually do stuff in communities other than canvassing and phonebanking

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:33

Al!: Apr 2, 2010

Bushiz posted:

Didn't Ben Carson turn out to have not knifed a dude?

pshhhhhhhhhh next youre going to tell me he didnt hit his mother with a hammer

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:34

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:

I'm not sure it's possible to "ruin" Power Rangers

get rid of bulk and skull

there i ruined it

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:35

greatn: Nov 15, 2006; by Lowtax

Al! posted:

pshhhhhhhhhh next youre going to tell me he didnt hit his mother with a hammer

In Smash brothers he did.

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:34

Ace of Baes: Jul 7, 1977

Serf posted:

I think we ought to be going to local meetings and beginning the push for socialist policies there, from the ground up. It won't be easy, but I mean of course it won't. We either sit back and do nothing and let the party drift right or into irrelevance or we put work into changing it.

It's easy, just don't open with socialism, or if you do, make sure you say Democratic Socialism, focus on workers rights, UHC, fight for 15, stuff the party already supports but gets sidelined usually.

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:36

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Karl Barks posted:

DSA is closer to an actual political party than the democrats, even tho they can't run candidates lol. they actually do stuff in communities other than canvassing and phonebanking

Why can't they run candidates?

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:37

comingafteryouall: Aug 2, 2011

Karl Barks posted:

DSA is closer to an actual political party than the democrats, even tho they can't run candidates lol. they actually do stuff in communities other than canvassing and phonebanking

The Democrats are incredibly active in the wall street and DC communities

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:39

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

Abrasive Obelisk posted:

Why can't they run candidates?

actually i'm not sure if they can't, or just don't. i know a fair amount of members are entryists, and view democrats as the vehicle. there are huge impediments put in place to prevent third parties from getting votes, so it's probably a good strategy

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:39

Darkman Fanpage: Jul 4, 2012

Baloogan posted:

stantis is a cuck

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:39

Streak: May 16, 2004; by Nyc_Tattoo

Homeless Friend posted:

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:46

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Serf posted:

I think we ought to be going to local meetings and beginning the push for socialist policies there, from the ground up. It won't be easy, but I mean of course it won't. We either sit back and do nothing and let the party drift right or into irrelevance or we put work into changing it.

i agree with this post

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:46

logikv9: Mar 5, 2009; Ham Wrangler

frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:

Unless it's a cardboard box painted red, it can't really be anything but an improvement.

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:49

Darkman Fanpage: Jul 4, 2012

logikv9 posted:

wtf

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:50

paranoid randroid: Mar 4, 2007

Darkman Fanpage posted:

stantis is a cuck

an immense cuck

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:51

paranoid randroid: Mar 4, 2007

this was the guy who was hot and bothered for Gary loving Johnson of all people

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:52

Serf: May 5, 2011

logikv9 posted:

a new alpha 5 for a new America

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:53

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

logikv9 posted:

aye yai yai

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:54

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Captain_Maclaine posted:

No, and the only ones who even served in the military were Graham and Gilmore.

But yeah if we're going by strictly who's dropped bodies, Cruz is definitely up there.

Rick Perry.
Although no one will blame you for forgetting about him.

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:55

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

logikv9 posted:

hahahaha

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:57

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Concerned Citizen posted:

i wouldn't even really call her legendarily incompetent. i would say that if you ran the same campaign she ran with, say, joe biden as the nominee, he would have won easily. hillary as a candidate was bad enough that it lead to the weird results we saw. the campaign did all the right stuff from a technical point of view - it raised a ton of money, allocated its resources fairly well, invested deeply in data and analytics, and managed its staff well across multiple states with surprisingly little drama. as far as a presidential campaign goes, it was actually shockingly well run. but for reasons we don't totally know yet, there were flaws in the analytics models. they were giving the campaign bad strategic advice - the data told them PA, MI, and WI were locked up and OH was tied.

here's where it gets sad: the campaign made the crucial decision early in the campaign to eschew persuasion - wherein field organizers/volunteers speak to people the data says are less likely to support clinton - in favor of a base turnout strategy. so they played big in milwaukee, but ignored waukesha county. their logic was that the general election calendar was too compressed to do both effectively, so they should focus on just one. this was a mistake because it did not allow them to validate their support models.. had their field data come back from the persuasion canvasses and revealed in aggregate that the analytics models were wrong, they could have been trained in that data and it would have shown that they were losing areas they needed to win big. and that would have lead to a wildly different strategy than the one they pursued.

from a non-technical point of view outside the mechanics of running a modern presidential campaign, i think they essentially poll-tested the campaign into the ground. it was very slick, the ads had incredible production values (most ads are terrible in that regard), and every message was something that everyone can agree with. i think the issue is that voters at this point are so accustomed to seeing ads that everyone can agree with that they see right through them. the message is sterile and boring, which doesn't translate to any kind of enthusiasm. for the clinton campaign, they thought "boring is good" because they were ahead. that was a mistake.

She lost an election to a man who doesn't actually understand what he was running for; HRC was so loving terrible she lost a popularity contest to a Scooby Doo villain.

# ? Dec 7, 2016 18:00