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NihilCredo posted:https://www.reddit.com/r/OutreachHPG/comments/5gvynh/new_skill_tree_clarifications/ As if anyone is ever going to respec anyway. We're going to full nerd theorycraft the absolute mathematically optimal skill selection way ahead of time.
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DancingShade posted:As if anyone is ever going to respec anyway. We're going to full nerd theorycraft the absolute mathematically optimal skill selection way ahead of time. And then they're going to buff machineguns to do 50 damage a bullet at 1000m while making the PPC have 400 heat per shot and we will have to respec all over again. Well, okay, maybe not that drastic but you get the idea. The balance of what you want to equip on a mech generally changes every few months due to factors outside your control.
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I guess there might be some positives to this model, like permafucking bads. See Eveonline re: repeated pod-killing or Day1 jump-fatigue changes. In the first instance, people would be coerced into losing all their accumulated skillpoints, in the second, people who didn't keep up on patch notes logged in and after jumping their capital ship a few times found they had to wait six months to jump it again. Both cases were eventually removed, and softened, respectively. Nothing like having a progress-resetting treadmill in your game.
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Both of the above make good points. It also bears repeating during this time of change that buffs and nerfs may come and go but hardpoints and geometry don't change. Pick your mechs accordingly folks.
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DancingShade posted:Both of the above make good points. read: buy clan mechs forever mostly
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Azuth0667 posted:My poor PPC awesome That Jenner was all 
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The cost of mechs is already prohibitive I've shown the respec model to people who were interested and but hesitant but it made them recoil into not wanting to play Paying for respecs is horribly discouraging mechanically unless the cost is almost a token (say, 50k cbills) and gives the user all their stuff back.
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Swiller of Beer posted:That Jenner was all I have an excuse to master the awesome now at least so I can fit 2x ppc modules and 2x erppc modules.
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ZenVulgarity posted:The cost of mechs is already prohibitive Note that it sounds like if you want your stuff back it will cost MC. Yeah gently caress you 
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Just when I was thinking about maybe rampaging around in my stupid Atlas again, welp guess not! Wait, can I not sell mechs? Goddamn this interface is bad. Dreadwroth fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Dec 7, 2016 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:Note that it sounds like if you want your stuff back it will cost MC. Hopefully it's not that awful. Getting half back for a small amount of CB or all for a little MC seems reasonable. then as long as you can have extra xp banked (which you will if you use the robot frequently) all you've really lost is some potential XP to convert and a match worth of CB.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Note that it sounds like if you want your stuff back it will cost MC. Hope you guys have high hopes for MW 5  So after the franchise dies again after the new single player, how long do you think it will take for another stab at it? Will Star Citizen come out first?
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Mechs are popular, so sometime soon I imagine. Just not Battletech universe maybe.
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WebDO posted:So after the franchise dies again after the new single player, how long do you think it will take for another stab at it? Will Star Citizen come out first? I hope not, because "never" isn't "eventually."
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WebDO posted:Hope you guys have high hopes for MW 5 It depends on what you define as "the franchise." If you're talking the MW universe in general we've got that  battletech game coming out, and those guys have a habit of making sequels to their poo poo so that might be a train that keeps on chugging.
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Cyrano4747 posted:It depends on what you define as "the franchise." If you're talking the MW universe in general we've got that I'm well aware that a good developer is going to make a good game based in the franchise using the only good thing to come out of PGI - the art. But since a good developer isn't making MW5...And a good developer doesn't currently hold the franchise rights...
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WebDO posted:I'm well aware that a good developer is going to make a good game based in the franchise using the only good thing to come out of PGI - the art. Don't PGI's rights to the MW portion of the license expire in a couple years? I thought I saw someone mention up-thread how they were probably squeezing out MW5 now because it's a poo poo or get off the pot moment. I'm sure I'll hate myself for this in a few years, but goddamn microsoft spend some of that money you're getting licensing office as a loving subscription service and claw that one back.
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aniviron posted:And then they're going to buff machineguns to do 50 damage a bullet at 1000m while making the PPC have 400 heat per shot and we will have to respec all over again. tire balancing 
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Dreadwroth posted:Just when I was thinking about maybe rampaging around in my stupid Atlas again, welp guess not! Go to the inventory tab on the left of the main screen to sell things, like mechs, you don't need.
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Man, the grid iron of all things has really clicked for me. I'm running 2 UAC5 in it with modules and really tearing poo poo up. I know it's just a crappier versoin of a 4G build, but it's good enough and I'm picking up some good c-bills with that 30% bouns
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Dreadwroth posted:Just when I was thinking about maybe rampaging around in my stupid Atlas again, welp guess not! Only ones you can't sell are (L) loyalty variants. But they came with their associated bays anyways so just think of them as free and ignore em if you dont like em.
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I just thought of somehtign: if they make the xp grind for skills as nuts as it looks like they might the (C) variants might actually be useful again.
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Cyrano4747 posted:I just thought of somehtign: if they make the xp grind for skills as nuts as it looks like they might the (C) variants might actually be useful again. I thought it was limited to experience per variant still?
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Artificer posted:I thought it was limited to experience per variant still? Yeah, I'm just saying that if it requires 400k exp or whatever to max out a mech after the changes, the C variants are going to get there that much quicker.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Yeah, I'm just saying that if it requires 400k exp or whatever to max out a mech after the changes, the C variants are going to get there that much quicker. You are really freaking out over placeholder values briefly seen in a demo.
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Great Beer posted:You are really freaking out over placeholder values briefly seen in a demo. Counterpoint: I'll hold off until I see the changes live, but "hope" is in short supply.
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https://twitter.com/russ_bullock/status/806569664918659072
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On the one hand, I totally agree that it's dumb everyone is freaking out over a placeholder value; it seems unlikely they are gonna make it 750k xp to master a mech. On the other, we have definitely seen "placeholder" values in MWO previews before that went on to become actual values, many times. I'm glad people are freaking out about it so that it doesn't come to pass.
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thats better than a complete reset, also gives xp past mastery meaning now whats the new meta for IS I havent really played since they rebalanced quirks over 10%
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Dying to night gyrs and kodiak 3s is the new meta
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Commoners posted:Dying to night gyrs and kodiak 3s is the new meta and not even to the good kind of kodiak 3s like you'd want
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It makes me sad that the KDK3 is so cancerous to this game, I just want a fun assault with double 20-class autocannons, which is what the KDK3 is by default. But then eeeeeveryone has to go poo poo it up with quad ultras etc.
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aniviron posted:On the one hand, I totally agree that it's dumb everyone is freaking out over a placeholder value; it seems unlikely they are gonna make it 750k xp to master a mech. I don't think you have ever played WoT *shudders*
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Cyrano4747 posted:Man, the grid iron of all things has really clicked for me. I'm running 2 UAC5 in it with modules and really tearing poo poo up. I know it's just a crappier versoin of a 4G build, but it's good enough and I'm picking up some good c-bills with that 30% bouns Alright, I'll bite. what build/engine size are you using here?
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Jack2142 posted:I don't think you have ever played WoT *shudders* Yeah if they bring that grind here it will be time to  .
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aniviron posted:It makes me sad that the KDK3 is so cancerous to this game, I just want a fun assault with double 20-class autocannons, which is what the KDK3 is by default. But then eeeeeveryone has to go poo poo it up with quad ultras etc. They really hosed up by giving it 4 mounts, and hosed up epicly by mounting them so high. TheParadigm posted:Alright, I'll bite. what build/engine size are you using here? STD 240 engine, 2x UAC 5, 1 DHS (required - not like it needs it), and whatever 150 rounds of ammo is in tons. I think 4.5? It's pretty simple. Throw on a UAC5 cooldown module for extra fun times. It's easy to put together, that's just what I cobbled with what I had laying around. It runs a little short on ammo if it's a long engagement, but I feel like it's about right. The only really critical thing is to have enough ammo to last most of a fight and be going fast enough that you're not crippled. YOu don't need to be speedy, just reasonably mobile. Corner poke and hill hump all day every day.
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What are you guys using on your gargoyles? My group ended up on on the same side as WoL a couple times and was wondering what builds you were using.
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Cyrano4747 posted:They really hosed up by giving it 4 mounts, and hosed up epicly by mounting them so high. Well, I heard an interesting thing lately. It was someone who cross referenced a list of NGNG's favourite mechs, the ones they were constantly begging to have in the game, and mechs that got released with super high mounts. Turned out to be a 1:1 match. Only mech that didn't match was the CPLT-K2 which was in the first set of mechs released, but lo and behold upon remodeling the low nose MG mounts become just as high as the PPCs. I hope you share taste in mechs with Phil & Daeron.
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I still have too much money so I decided to buy an Orion because gently caress it I don't really care if it works.
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Finster Dexter posted:What are you guys using on your gargoyles? My group ended up on on the same side as WoL a couple times and was wondering what builds you were using. Two ERPPCs, seven heat sinks, and two small lasers in the CT. You just run around blasting things with the PPCs.
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