What is with Optimus and faces?General Battuta posted:Man those stills are all really loving well composed. I'm digging the shot of Megatron (?) in the dust storm. I'm not up on most of the Unicron mythos but, if I remember the G1 movie right, he doesn't so much brainwash or corrupt as he makes you an offer. Megatron could have said no, but he didn't. It looks like Prime could have said no, but doesn't.
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https://twitter.com/S4TEWebmaster/status/806226609841860608 Milky Moor posted:I'm digging the shot of Megatron (?) in the dust storm. I'm curious as to why they ditched the Galvatron title from AoE along with that look.
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Dec 7, 2016 01:28
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I hope they ditch the stupid voxel transformations, these movies need the incomprehensible visual gibberish of the chunky mechanical transformations. Robots need to look like they're torturing themselves as they turn into car sponsorships e: like the problem with the voxel transformation is that you understand what's happening, whereas the classic garbage pile loving itself is suggestive of some inner logic but impossible to really grasp. I hope there's a ton of cosmic horror in this movie, all my favorite parts of these weird-rear end idiot films involve ancient starships full of dead machines
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Dec 7, 2016 02:38
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I can only assume the voxel transformations were to help sell how the human-built Transformers were just so much more advanced than Prime and co. They're not cars that can turn into robots sort of haphazardly (or vice versa), they're things that can be a car or be a humanoid robot. They were boring as hell to actually watch, though. One of the best parts of the franchise is the sheer kinetic energy and weight behind each transformation, like how they just rip up highways in the process, and how the transformation differs based on direction, speed and movement.
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Dec 7, 2016 03:18
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banned from Starbucks posted:How is it possible these movies keep getting worse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDIgS-Soo9Q&t=7s Milky Moor posted:They were boring as hell to actually watch, though. One of the best parts of the franchise is the sheer kinetic energy and weight behind each transformation, like how they just rip up highways in the process, and how the transformation differs based on direction, speed and movement. 
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Dec 7, 2016 04:24
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General Battuta posted:I hope they ditch the stupid voxel transformations, these movies need the incomprehensible visual gibberish of the chunky mechanical transformations. Robots need to look like they're torturing themselves as they turn into car sponsorships This series has basically been HP Lovecraft's Maximum Overdrive. Down to a rock band influencing large parts of the music.
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Dec 7, 2016 06:03
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YggiDee posted:I can't tell if I enjoy these movies or if I just enjoy the weird alternate narrative this thread conceived around them. For me it's definitely the second one and I don't care if it's "true" or not I loving love it.  Edit: That shot of Optimus floating in space reminds me of the opening narration to Zeta Gundam, where a dead soldier floated all the way to jupiter after the previous war and the narrator tells us his "souls is definitely not at peace". God I wish I could find that on youtube.
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Dec 7, 2016 08:43
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Milky Moor posted:What is with Optimus and faces? It's an offer followed by forced servitude. Unicron restored Megatron in the G1 movie, and free will wasn't an issue because they both wanted to murder robots and humans. In the following G1 season, Galvatron had been defeated and Unicron reduced to a talking head. Galvatron wanted revenge on everyone, including Unicron, but suffered terrible pain any time he opposed Unicron.
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Dec 7, 2016 09:37
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Donnerberg posted:Unicron restored Megatron in the G1 movie, and free will wasn't an issue because they both wanted to murder robots and humans. Free will wasn't an issue because Megatron's other option was to die in the oblivion of space/Unicron's belly.
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Dec 7, 2016 09:55
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The series converted to full-on satire when they hired Skrillex to make robot sounds. It's like something from a sketch show.
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Dec 7, 2016 12:13
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Donnerberg posted:It's an offer followed by forced servitude. That also happened in the G1 movie. Galvatron disagreed with Unicron about something and started buckling in pain until he changed his mind and agreed to do whatever it was Unicron wanted to do.
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Dec 7, 2016 13:09
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MonsieurChoc posted:For me it's definitely the second one and I don't care if it's "true" or not I loving love it. The core idea of it is obvious enough in the film that everyone picks up on it, like the guy I quoted earlier: "turned them all into slightly more personable Alien Other". For whatever reason, we are five films into this increasing bizarre take on the Transformers mythos and the attitude of a lot of people is that Bay is an idiot who somehow stumbled into everything he's done and the familiar criticisms all have this memetic quality to them. There's no denying that Bay is a very unique director. When you compare him to the Marvel movies, I think it's pretty clear that Bay nails cinematic spectacle better than the directors they attach. The thing that really interests me about him is that while he is the king of spectacle, you really need to pay attention to the films. The films reward focused viewing. The films are also unashamedly a result of Bay's mind, for better or worse, which makes them all the more compelling. I'm sure most people in this thread have seen the video about Bay that points out the parallels between his work and Bay's favorite film which is, and I'm not kidding here, West Side Story. They've also probably read the interview where he claims to love juxtaposing the real and the unreal, which is probably the best way of describing jumping from a walking helicopter blowing up an airbase to Shia's high school antics. I have nothing against Marvel, but I absolutely prefer the sheer balls-to-the-wall energy of the Transformers films. The plots are as bizarre as they are exciting, an excuse for wicked imagery and cool sequences, and characters just die en-masse with the world changing irrevocably in every film. Compare that to Marvel's cinematic universe where, outside of on-the-nose call backs, the world feels slow and stagnant and you know that, even if Tony Stark and Captain American come to blows, things will be okay by the time they take on Thanos (whom you know is coming up, because every Marvel film feels like an exercise in what's coming next - what's the next after-credits, what's the next movie, etc.) Meanwhile, Transformers 3 flat out annihilates the Decepticon cast with TF4 then doing a number on the Autobots. And I don't think anyone expected Lockdown in the guise of the Angel of Death as the main antagonist in TF4. It's not exactly a reading designed to pick up on things that aren't there, or things that are ambiguous or inferring meaning from obscure word choice. Even in the very first film, it's clear that Optimus was not telling the truth about the All Spark and, as the films have gone on, Optimus has maintained his position as an incredibly unreliable figure who broods, sulks and lashes out when things don't go his way. Beyond some pithy words about victory requiring sacrifice, I don't think we ever see Optimus do anything truly heroic (excepting, maybe, defending Sam in TF2 during the forest battle). And, consistently, all Megatron wants is the survival of his planet and his people (most astoundingly pointed out by the Decepticons lamenting the imminent death of their children in TF2). Speaking of, our first image of Megatron in TF3 is him feeding robot babies. The films spend a fair bit of time on that sort of thing. And TF3 is the same film where Ironhide kicks a car (one that is explicitly full of cowering people) into a storefront, one which promptly explodes. It's the film where Optimus flat-out states that he deceived everyone on Earth in order to ensure his continued necessity. This isn't subtext, this is text. I understand why a lot of TF fans have a visceral reaction to the films, but I also think the films are better about the core concept than most forms of TF media. Is there anything really compelling about the noble, selfless Autobots defending Earth from the perfidious Decepticons who want to [kill/enslave/destroy] the people of Earth for increasingly nebulous reasons? I think it's neat that the films find reasons to ensure that the fight stays on Earth. At the same time, though, the film needs a reason as to why Optimus doesn't take the fight off Earth. I think the films really sell the idea of an intergalactic robot civil war to-the-death grudge match really well, but that's also a pretty terrifying concept. I like how the films keep it all somewhat grounded and treats it seriously. I'm really just rambling on a few topics here. But, something else I've considered is the constant criticism that it's a bad idea for the Transformers to be vulnerable to modern-day technology. Wouldn't it be worse if humans couldn't touch the Autobots or the Decepticons, meaning that humanity existed only at the sufferance of Optimus Prime? It'd basically establish both sides of the war as de facto tyrants, walking a planet like giants where the natives have to stay out from underfoot. I don't think that'd be a very good movie, either, nor would it reflect well on Optimus. It's almost as if the character works fine in a cartoon made to sell toys but collapses when brought into a more serious setting. It's like how, increasingly, Megatron is depicted as an idealistic but violent revolutionary who wanted to overthrow Cybertron's corrupt elite and their brutal caste system and Optimus is the guy who, despite his talk of freedom, is basically the boot stomping him down. It's not as if the Bay films are the only ones maybe pointing out the tension in the setting. But, hey, what do I know? I'm just a TF fan who could never get into the Cybertron-centric canon. Oh, and Steve Jablonsky's score is always solid.
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Milky Moor posted:I have nothing against Marvel, but I absolutely prefer the sheer balls-to-the-wall energy of the Transformers films. The plots are as bizarre as they are exciting, an excuse for wicked imagery and cool sequences, and characters just die en-masse with the world changing irrevocably in every film. Compare that to Marvel's cinematic universe where, outside of on-the-nose call backs, the world feels slow and stagnant and you know that, even if Tony Stark and Captain American come to blows, things will be okay by the time they take on Thanos (whom you know is coming up, because every Marvel film feels like an exercise in what's coming next - what's the next after-credits, what's the next movie, etc.) Milky Moor posted:It's like how, increasingly, Megatron is depicted as an idealistic but violent revolutionary who wanted to overthrow Cybertron's corrupt elite and their brutal caste system and Optimus is the guy who, despite his talk of freedom, is basically the boot stomping him down. It's not as if the Bay films are the only ones maybe pointing out the tension in the setting.
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Dec 7, 2016 18:57
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I swear these movies are just loving with people sometimes, in this obligatory oft-repeated hero shot Optimus grabs Marky Mark's daughter and, instead of shielding her, drives her headfirst through a truck. I can't imagine Bay or anyone else saying 'yeah just do something obviously fatal but have her live cause lol', but on the other hand, with all the person-hours that go into CGI you've got to imagine this was sort of on purpose. e: lol he grabs her, has her kind of 'safe' by Transformers standards, passes her off to his other hand, and extends and turns the arm to make her impact head-first. Optimus is playing with his toys 
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Dec 8, 2016 01:59
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Ash1138 posted:That's probably what's got me most excited for this movie, though I'm unsure of how far they'll go with it. Yeah. gently caress, 'peaceful empire' is up there as one of those fantastically paradoxical concepts.
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Dec 8, 2016 02:06
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General Battuta posted:I swear these movies are just loving with people sometimes, in this obligatory oft-repeated hero shot Optimus grabs Marky Mark's daughter and, instead of shielding her, drives her headfirst through a truck. I can't imagine Bay or anyone else saying 'yeah just do something obviously fatal but have her live cause lol', but on the other hand, with all the person-hours that go into CGI you've got to imagine this was sort of on purpose. That scene also features bumblebee blasting all his weaponry straight into the scene of a pile up that occured about 5 seconds earlier, and is undoubtedly full of very confused, soon to be pulped civilians.
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Dec 8, 2016 02:08
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Ash1138 posted:That's probably what's got me most excited for this movie, though I'm unsure of how far they'll go with it. Yeah, I think Prime is monologuing something about how the Autobots will keep humans from bringing harm to themselves.
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Dec 8, 2016 02:27
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In Transformers, the Fermi Paradox is solved by unending shapeshifting robot civil war bouncing from planet to planet. That's your great filter.
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Dec 8, 2016 02:29
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How many 'final hopes for cybertron civilization' have they destroyed by now.
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Dec 8, 2016 02:45
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Where can I find the kicking a car full of people scene? I don't have access to the movie but I'm sure there is a gif or something.
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UmOk posted:Where can I find the kicking a car full of people scene? I don't have access to the movie but I'm sure there is a gif or something. I've got you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZJgZw4KsR4 It's the red convertible at 0:46. There are two people definitely in there, cowering from the imminent fight (below the level of the doors, it looks like). The fight soon kicks off and we don't get a good shot of the inside of the car again and don't see anyone running out of it. Ironhide slams one of the Decepticons down on the car and then kicks it into a building, blowing everything up in the process.
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the best part is that it looks like the glass bus shelter explodes.
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Dec 8, 2016 11:22
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Milky Moor posted:I've got you. Actually, at 32 seconds you can see it's a guy in a blue shirt and somebody else in a darker shirt. Then the shot changes to looking up at the robots tumbling through the air. Then at 42 seconds, we see a guy in a blue shirt running one way, and a guy in a darker shirt running the other way away from the car. They don't show them actually getting out of the car though. Edit: poo poo, nevermind, I'm wrong. At 48 seconds you see somebody in there again. I was so focused on the guys running away from the car that I missed the ones still in it. Edit 2: I think the car is just handled unclearly in the scene and the people are meant to be gone at that point. At 1:00 and at 1:12, the car is still undamaged. We don't actually see anybody touch it. Sideswipe comes close at 1:12 but is moving the other way. The next clear shot is 1:22 and the trunk is up like it's been hit, but the windshield is fine. Then at 1:27 the top of the windshield is smashed down a bit. We never see this damage occur, and the point where Ironhide dumps the Decepticon onto the car is cut in immediately after we see the undamaged windshield. Murphys Law fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Dec 8, 2016 |
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Murphys Law posted:Actually, at 32 seconds you can see it's a guy in a blue shirt and somebody else in a darker shirt. Then the shot changes to looking up at the robots tumbling through the air. Then at 42 seconds, we see a guy in a blue shirt running one way, and a guy in a darker shirt running the other way away from the car. They don't show them actually getting out of the car though. It's definitely not the last time the series is unclear about things in an action scene. For example, the unknown guy who shows up in the fight between Lockdown and Prime just to get blown up, and yet was in no shots prior or following.
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Dec 8, 2016 15:29
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They're just casualties of bad editing.
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Dec 8, 2016 15:56
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Milky Moor posted:I've got you. Christ, I forgot how bad that movie loving was. What a goddamn mess.
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Dec 8, 2016 17:54
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Don't forget the consecutive shots of Apollo 11 with and without the Lunar Module. These are VFX shots! They were specifically made that way! Michael Bay approved them, probably over a chorus of ILM nerds from the Historical Sticklers' Society going "No, actually..."
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Dec 8, 2016 19:06
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Payndz posted:Don't forget the consecutive shots of Apollo 11 with and without the Lunar Module. These are VFX shots! They were specifically made that way! Michael Bay approved them, probably over a chorus of ILM nerds from the Historical Sticklers' Society going "No, actually..." Wasn't this people not differentiating between the various stages of launch properly and just kind of assuming Bay got it wrong? Yes, it was.
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Dec 8, 2016 22:43
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Murphys Law posted:They're just casualties of bad editing. Just like Barricade who vanished from the first film without any sort of fanfare (although, apparently, in the novel he is killed after Optimus takes out Bonecrusher), stayed gone during the second film, showed up to be killed during the third, but is apparently back in the fifth.
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I can't remember where it was said, but I think one of the producers said that Grimlock will be like a big dog in this movie. He also mentioned the Mini Dinobots being literal babies still learning to spit fire and such. I feel like if you read between the lines, Grimlock had babies between movies. Life finds a way and all that.
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Dec 9, 2016 00:55
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Murphys Law posted:They're just casualties of bad editing. I don't think so. I think it is intentionally left ambiguous.
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yeah, consistently editing in such a way that we just kind of gloss over the casualties of hi-tech destruction feels like the exact sort of satirical statement Bay would make.
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Yeah, the glossed over deaths is perfectly harmonised with the fights in the 'totally abandoned city'.
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well why not posted:Yeah, the glossed over deaths is perfectly harmonised with the fights in the 'totally abandoned city'. "The city has been evacuated" Except American Sniper was only partially fictionalised.
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Milky Moor posted:Just like Barricade who vanished from the first film without any sort of fanfare (although, apparently, in the novel he is killed after Optimus takes out Bonecrusher), stayed gone during the second film, showed up to be killed during the third, but is apparently back in the fifth.
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Plot details from various articles (possible spoilers, obviously): -Opening scene will explain TF mythology. -Megatron & Optimus backstory, Quintessions and Primes will be explored. -Optimus will question his leadership and there will be a new prime. -Cade is on the run and is hiding the Autobots from TRF in the junkyard in South Dakota. – Isabela lost her family in Chicago and is with Sqweeks since then. -Sqweeks is broken, can’t transform, and can only say ‘chihuahua’. -Tessa is in hiding and will be explained in the film. -TRF is led by Santos (Santiago Cabrera). -Laura Haddock plays Vivian Wembley and her family is tied with the macguffin of the movie. -Hot Rod has a French accent and he has two vehicle modes; lambo and citroen ds (Vivian’s car) -Anthony Hopkins plays Sir Edmound Burton. -There’ll be a new villain, a different form of a decepticon. -There will be a submarine TF. -Grimlock will be in the beginning of the movie, he’ll have a larger role but not much. -Mini t-rexes who just started to breathe fire. -There will be hints to other spinoff movies. -There won’t be any female transformers in the film. -Cogman is a headmaster. -Decepticon bike and VW van are called ‘Mohawk’ and ‘Hooligan’. -An Autobot was going to get killed by military by accident. -Bumblebee movie script doesn’t have a lot of other TFs, but it may change. The MSJ fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Dec 9, 2016 |
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Snowman_McK posted:Wasn't this people not differentiating between the various stages of launch properly and just kind of assuming Bay got it wrong?
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The MSJ posted:Plot details from various articles (possible spoilers, obviously): I have no doubt that this will contradict the other attempts at detailing the Cybertronian backstory. quote:-There won’t be any female transformers in the film. This continues to surprise me, given how you'd assume there'd be some attempt to work one into it, just for the positive media attention. TF2 seems more and more like an aberration. The TRF is interesting given that Earth still seems set on getting rid of the Transformers. Nice to see that continuing.
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Payndz posted:No, it wasn't. The LM is absent from the Command/Service Module stack on the way to the moon and then appears in the next shot. Actually, it was the final launch stage in the first shot, and the landing stage in the second. Apollo changed configuration in the later stages of the journey. The landing module was well inside, protected, for the launch.
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"Spine, spine, spine..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLRsu4mJmyU
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