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Alhazred posted:For a brief period of time having syphilis was fashionable, having it meant that you were a player. A disease with promiscuity as a late stage symptom is just so metal.
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Corrode posted:Funnily enough this is what I was referring to in the first place, so we've come full circle! I figured that was the exact thing you were referencing. I hope that I was at least able to make it a little more clear for readers by expanding it out a little... Who knows.
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Carl Killer Miller posted:Weirdly enough, morphine and other opiates are now an approved and verified treatment for cough in end-stage COPD/Emphysema patients. It's not actually that weird since opiates have a long history of use as antitussives. Codeine and hydrocodone cough syrups are pretty commonly used in cases of severe coughing, the kind where you tear up your throat and cough up blood. On a similar note, while the US classifies heroin as a drug with no medical value it's still commonly used for palliative care in the UK (where it's just called diamorphine since 'Heroin' as a brand name was abandoned long ago what with it being fairly tainted by it's own reputation).
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the future is WOW posted:On a similar note, while the US classifies heroin as a drug with no medical value it's still commonly used for palliative care in the UK (where it's just called diamorphine since 'Heroin' as a brand name was abandoned long ago what with it being fairly tainted by it's own reputation). Wow, I wouldn't have guessed it, but you're right, heroin is schedule I, unlike cocaine and methamphetamine, which are both schedule II. I thought smack was only as bad as crank, turns out it's as bad as weed itself.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:It really is a tragic story; she was apparently not all that bright and just didn't understand the intrigue of a royal court. As was said she wasn't that great of a student but she didn't write well at all and barely spoke any of the languages one would be expected to at court. She was literally a teenager when she was thrust into an already unstable political situation that she just didn't get. France already had bad enough issues that the king at the time (Louis XV) basically couldn't enter the actual city of Paris dressed like a king. Him and his court had to dress down and pretend they weren't royalty. France also got a sound thrashing in the Seven Year's War and was in crazy debt; it didn't help that Louis XV liked to gently caress pretty much everything and the royal expenditures involved a rather large number of mistresses. He was apparently a mix of a decent but declining ruler and a petulant manchild. A lot of the problems that Marie Antoinette and Louis XVI faced were based entirely on simmering resentment toward the royalty that they had absolutely no hand in. So what you're saying is that she didn't have a good head on her shoulders.
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yo rear end is grass posted:So what you're saying is that she didn't have a good head on her shoulders. No, more that she should have quit while she was still ahead.
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Dec 8, 2016 11:59
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Before I even saw the post about heroin, I somehow found myself wondering how long humans have been doing injections in general. Turns out that the first "successful" human injection was 1844. That's not recent-recent, but it does really highlight how relatively recent a lot of things we totally take for granted are. Though for a worse thought, the first *un*successful injections of humans were in the 1660s; apparently it turned out poorly enough that the entire idea got shelved for two drat centuries. EDIT: for even weirder, remember that the entire idea of Germ Theory was still a fringe idea until the 1860s.
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:Before I even saw the post about heroin, I somehow found myself wondering how long humans have been doing injections in general. Turns out that the first "successful" human injection was 1844. I guess the smallpox vaccine doesn't count as an injection? That came around in the late 1700s and was mandatory in Denmark from 1810.
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Dec 8, 2016 12:12
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Powaqoatse posted:I guess the smallpox vaccine doesn't count as an injection? That came around in the late 1700s and was mandatory in Denmark from 1810. The "smallpox vaccine" from the 18th century was just deliberately infecting yourself with the less deadly Cow Pox 
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Dec 8, 2016 12:26
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Rutibex posted:The "smallpox vaccine" from the 18th century was just deliberately infecting yourself with the less deadly Cow Pox Yeah sure, but it still involved poking a hole in the skin and putting a substance in there.
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Powaqoatse posted:Yeah sure, but it still involved poking a hole in the skin and putting a substance in there. That's variolation, different process from injection. With variolation they just slice your skin a little and jam ground up scabs into the wound. You can see why that fell by the wayside after they refined injection. Though at least the military smallpox vaccines are done by gouging you repeatedly with a gunked needle, not like a flu shot or anything, so maybe smallpox is still a form of variolation. TapTheForwardAssist has a new favorite as of 12:39 on Dec 8, 2016 |
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Conversely, trepanning is old as gently caress. Only in the last century has it actually done any good. 
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Platystemon posted:Conversely, trepanning is old as gently caress. That's definitely the face I'd expect to be made when being trepanned.
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Dec 8, 2016 14:33
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Kassad posted:It could come from "venez m'aider" (come help me), which is an actual sentence. Just shortened to the last word for the sake of brevity/clearness. You got me wrong, there's nothing wrong with 'm'aider' technically. It's just not really used in French as far as I know. French is my first language technically but I'm more fluent in English, if it helps.
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Dec 8, 2016 15:17
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Platystemon posted:Conversely, trepanning is old as gently caress. Way older than those (circa 1600? to my eye) - successful trepannation goes back to the Stone Age. We know it was successful because the bone healed before the patient died. yo rear end is grass posted:So what you're saying is that she didn't have a good head on her shoulders. It was better than nothing v  v
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Safety Biscuits posted:Way older than those (circa 1600? to my eye) - successful trepannation goes back to the Stone Age. We know it was successful because the bone healed before the patient died. Ape-men have been successfully trepannationing each others heads with rocks for millions of years. Of course "success" is a relative term.
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quote:When Mr Gladstone visited the North, you well remember when word passed from the newspaper to the workman that it circulated through mines and mills, factories and workshops, and they came out to greet the only British minister who ever gave the English people a right because it was just they should have it ... and when he went down the Tyne, all the country heard how twenty miles of banks were lined with people who came to greet him. Men stood in the blaze of chimneys; the roofs of factories were crowded; colliers came up from the mines; women held up their children on the banks that it might be said in after life that they had seen the Chancellor of the People go by. The river was covered like the land. Every man who could ply an oar pulled up to give Mr Gladstone a cheer. When Lord Palmerston went to Bradford the streets were still, and working men imposed silence upon themselves. When Mr Gladstone appeared on the Tyne he heard cheer no other English minister ever heard ... the people were grateful to him, and rough pitmen who never approached a public man before, pressed round his carriage by thousands ... and thousands of arms were stretched out at once, to shake hands with Mr Gladstone as one of themselves Probably the only time a Chancellor of the Exchequer has ever evoked such a reaction.
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bunnyofdoom posted:What the hell did even do to deserve that? Here's a big block o' text from Wikipedia summarising his career as chancellor leading up to that quotation: quote:Gladstone's budget of 1860 was introduced on 10 February along with the Cobden–Chevalier Treaty between Britain and France that would reduce tariffs between the two countries. This budget "marked the final adoption of the Free Trade principle, that taxation should be levied for Revenue purposes alone, and that every protective, differential, or discriminating duty ... should be dislodged".[46] At the beginning of 1859, there were 419 duties in existence. The 1860 budget reduced the number of duties to 48, with 15 duties constituting the majority of the revenue. To finance these reductions in indirect taxation, the income tax, instead of being abolished, was raised to 10d. for incomes above £150 and at 7d. for incomes above £100.[47] And then it's the quote I posted.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Probably the only time a Chancellor of the Exchequer has ever evoked such a reaction. Have you been listening to the When Diplomacy Fails podcast? Actually, I was just thinking of a piece of medical history, but not been able to find it online because the descriptions are too vague for Google. I read it in an old book, but cannot remember the title beyond it being about Scientific anecdotes. Basically, it was back in the day before Nitrous oxide was known to work as an anaesthetic. Scientists knew that nerves worked by electrical methods (Volta and his frog legs being a perfect example thereof) and so people surmised they might be the way to prevent pain during surgery. Apparently, one scientist got it into his head to try and over-stimulate a nerve to prevent further signals. So to test it, he put an electrical current through a nerve in his tooth. Been trying to remember who it was, but with no success.
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Samovar posted:Have you been listening to the When Diplomacy Fails podcast? No, I've actually not heard of that. What is it about?
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Wheat Loaf posted:Reading the Wikipedia page on people who disappeared mysteriously, it's clear there's two kinds of disappearances: there's people who were kidnapped, or murdered and their remains never recovered, and those are very tragic examples; the other kind is stuff like this man: One example is Romulus Augustus, popularly considered the last Roman Emperor in the west. He was overthrown by the German warlord Odacer, but according to several histories, Odacer spared him and let him go into exile in southern Italy. After that... we have an ambiguous letter thirty years later that may refer to him, but that's all. No idea when he died, where he died, or what he did with the rest of his life. Constantine XI, last Emperor in the east also met an ambiguous fate. He almost certainly died during the fall of Constantinople, but nobody witnessed it, and no body was ever recovered. You would think that keeping track of the Roman Emperor would not be such a challenge...
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Angry Salami posted:Constantine XI, last Emperor in the east also met an ambiguous fate. He almost certainly died during the fall of Constantinople, but nobody witnessed it, and no body was ever recovered. More understandable, I suppose, because Constantine is meant to have either removed anything that would have identified him as emperor or donned the armour of a common soldier and went out to fight to the death after the Turks breached the city.
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Dec 9, 2016 14:26
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Angry Salami posted:Constantine XI, last Emperor in the east also met an ambiguous fate. He almost certainly died during the fall of Constantinople, but nobody witnessed it, and no body was ever recovered. Obviously he fled to Russia and became the first Tzar. Caesar = Tzar
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In any area with a hint of Roman contact, at some point it was trendy for leaders to be called a variant on Caesar.
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Angry Salami posted:
A body disappearing during a chaotic battle is probably not that weird. Speaking of important missing people, no one knows where Olav The Holy is buried. He fell in battle in1030 and is concidered the eternal king of Norway and founder of the Norwegian church. He was buried then dug up and his corpse was moved to an unknown location.
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A missing emperor is nothing. There are dozens of roman emperors that we have no idea about their deaths (many in the same year ). Rome lost an entire legion from the historical record. Not as in "it was defeated in battle" the 9th legion just disappears from the records without any mention! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legio_IX_Hispana quote:Legio nona Hispana ("Spanish Ninth Legion"), also Legio VIIII Hispana or Legio IX Hispana, was a legion of the Imperial Roman army that existed from the 1st century BC until at least AD 120. The legion fought in various provinces of the late Roman Republic and early Roman Empire but was then stationed in Britain following the Roman invasion in 43 AD. The legion disappears from surviving Roman records after c. AD 120 and there is no extant account of what happened to it.
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Samovar posted:Apparently, one scientist got it into his head to try and over-stimulate a nerve to prevent further signals. So to test it, he put an electrical current through a nerve in his tooth. And fell out of his chair?
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Nobody knows where Ghengis Khan is buried either, great pains were taken to hide his tomb. Also Australia lost their prime minister in the 60s, but that was more of an accidental thing.
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zedprime posted:In any area with a hint of Roman contact, at some point it was trendy for leaders to be called a variant on Caesar. Mehmed II of the Ottoman Empire proclaimed himself Caesar of Rome after conquering Constantinople, on the basis that the city had been the seat of the Roman Empire for more than 1,000 years when he conquerered it, and he was actually recognised as such by the Eastern Orthodox church, because there was still a great deal of resentment towards western Europe in general and the Vatican in particular over the sacking of Constantinople by the Venetians during the Fourth Crusade.
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Angry Salami posted:One example is Romulus Augustus, popularly considered the last Roman Emperor in the west. He was overthrown by the German warlord Odacer, but according to several histories, Odacer spared him and let him go into exile in southern Italy. After that... we have an ambiguous letter thirty years later that may refer to him, but that's all. No idea when he died, where he died, or what he did with the rest of his life. 'Course, part of that is people didn't really consider him ~The Roman Emperor~ at the time. Julius Nepos was the legit Western Emperor, Romulus was a 14 year old puppet put forward by his Germanic father in 475. For everybody at the time, Nepos was the legit ruler, then the Imperium went to the Eastern Emperor Zeno, until 800 when the West decided Irene wasn't legit so Charlemagne was the true heir of Constantine V. The whole thing with Romulus started because of Edward Gibbon and his hateboner for Christian Rome/Byzantium making a big deal about the End Of The Western Empire, so now people think Charlemagne's empire/the HRE was supposed to restore the WRE after a supposed gap in the Imperium.
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Ichabod Sexbeast posted:Nobody knows where Ghengis Khan is buried either, great pains were taken to hide his tomb. When the Russian army occupied Mongolia, part of their campaign to slander and destroy the memory of Ghengis Khan included making the area around the mouth of the Onan River a taboo zone. It was generally believed that he was buried somewhere in that area, as it had been his tribe's preferred territory, and it was where he returned to hunt and ride between campaigns. When Mongolians were able to return to the area, it had been torn up by tanks and there was evidence of quite a bit of digging. Whether they ever found his tomb or not is anyone's guess, but they drat sure tried.
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Do non Brits/Irish know about Shergar? "Shergar (3 March 1978 – c. February 1983) was an Irish-bred, British-trained racehorse, and winner of the 202nd Epsom Derby (1981) by ten lengths – the longest winning margin in the race's history. Two years later, on 8 February 1983, he was stolen from the Ballymany Stud, near The Curragh in County Kildare, Ireland by masked gunmen and was never seen again" What happened next was a comedy police show and conspiracy theories. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shergar
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learnincurve posted:Do non Brits/Irish know about Shergar? This is like a Monty Python skit: IRA special operations team kidnaps a horse, can't figure out what to do with it, and machine guns it to death while trying to collect the ransom anyway.
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Ichabod Sexbeast posted:Nobody knows where Ghengis Khan is buried either, great pains were taken to hide his tomb. Isn't that the prime minister who drowned and later had a swimming stadium named after him?
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Der Kyhe posted:Isn't that the prime minister who drowned and later had a swimming stadium named after him? http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2967
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learnincurve posted:Do non Brits/Irish know about Shergar? The popular joke is that he was stolen by Lord Lucan.
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Byzantine posted:'Course, part of that is people didn't really consider him ~The Roman Emperor~ at the time. Julius Nepos was the legit Western Emperor, Romulus was a 14 year old puppet put forward by his Germanic father in 475. Julius Nepos was no more "legitimate" than Romulus Augustulus. He was a puppet of a foreign general who ultimately didn't care enough who ruled Italy to back up any claim to the empire he might have had. Romulus was indeed considered Roman emperor by contemporaries, but the office at that point had hardly any power even in name and in practice none whatsoever. It's also stretching the facts quite a bit to describe him as Germanic; he was the son of the Roman noble Orestes, who was from Pannonia (in the Balkans) and had had a job as Attila the Hun's secretary some time before the "legitimate" Julius Nepos made him his military commander. Orestes promptly told Julius Nepos to get hosed and put his teenage kid in charge instead, which gives a good idea of exactly how legitimate he was perceived to be. Part of the reason why Romulus' fate is lost to history is because precisely nobody cared about him]. He was just some kid who got given an increasingly meaningless title in support of his father's military ambitions, and it got scrapped entirely the next year when those ambitions were crushed.
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Wheat Loaf posted:No, I've actually not heard of that. What is it about? It's a podcast about the political/religious settings that lead to major wars, primarily in Europe. There was a series on Britain throughout the Victorian age that quotes the passage highlighted. Pretty interesting stuff.
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SodomyGoat101 posted:Onan River  Link for heathens: Onan Re the missing Roman legion: did contemporary sources find it strange, or is it just something historians noted centuries later? Like, we don’t know what happened to the Declaration of Independence’s handwritten Fair Copy, but the fact that the people who were there never discussed it suggests that the document’s fate was common knowledge and no one bothered to write about it. Platystemon has a new favorite as of 02:38 on Dec 10, 2016 |
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