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Inspector_666 posted:So if he loses a few MPH he ends up with a high-90s FB and a mid-80s slider, both of which he throws for strikes about 60% of the time. I don't know a ton about Chapman but his slider seems to be poo poo and when his fastball was only hitting 99-100, teams were hitting him. He's dominant when he's on but he just feels like a guy who becomes really mediocre if he loses a few miles on that fastball.
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I mean he got his last three outs in the World Series throwing nothing but sliders. As long as he doesn't fall apart in the next 2-3 years the deal is fine
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When they say 3 years Full opt out. Is that team or player opt?
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ScottyJSno posted:When they say 3 years Full opt out. Is that team or player opt? Opt-out is player choice. Team option is the other. At least that's how I've always seen it used. Niwrad posted:I don't know a ton about Chapman but his slider seems to be poo poo and when his fastball was only hitting 99-100, teams were hitting him. He's dominant when he's on but he just feels like a guy who becomes really mediocre if he loses a few miles on that fastball. Maybe the Yankees will just teach him a cutter 
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Has to be player because otherwise it's a worse deal than what Melancon got.
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Poor Melancon, only held the record for a relief pitcher contract two days.
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Kinda pissed that piece of poo poo garbage wife beater Aroldis Chapman got a ring and $86 million AND improved his current franchise via trade all in the last 6 months.
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A dude like that just won our goddamn presidency. So I'm no longer gonna be shocked about any rear end in a top hat finding massive amounts of success in life.
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Vernacular posted:Who does, then? The guy who cranks the elaborate series of pulleys and levers that run the dinger machine gets to have dental insurance and a free hot dog every shift. not a polish though, that's extra Mr. Meagles fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Dec 8, 2016 |
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now i can root for rajai davis to yard him every time.
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I guess the scouts saw what everybody else saw in Giolito during his time in the majors. Nats lineup will be really interesting with Turner/Eaton/Murphy and hopefully Harper in MVP form behind them. Would've liked to have kept Lopez, but at the same time Giolito looked really awful last year in basically every facet and it wouldn't have been worth it for the White Sox. A lot of that was the hype but..man. He just didn't look anywhere close to big league ready. Santheb fucked around with this message at 08:17 on Dec 8, 2016 |
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i just tried to google the white sox "the kids can play" ads from 2000 to saucily post in this thread and got nothing but pictures of the laroches
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I'm okay with Chapman's contract I would have preferred a non wife beater/shooter though Ugh I do not like rooting for him at all
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Popete posted:My main reason for not wanting to hold on to Chapman is that he seems super volatile. If he loses a tick off his velocity he becomes pretty drat hittable because he doesn't throw much else. His control is already pretty shaky but he gets around it by getting guys to start their swing early and miss on terrible pitches out of the zone. See: World Series Game 7
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I'm glad the least likable team in baseball signed that piece of poo poo, makes everything simple.
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He got Dustyed by Maddon that's hardly his fault
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Intruder posted:He got Dustyed by Maddon that's hardly his fault Didn't say it was, and you're right. That's exactly what happened. I was just pointing to an example of what happens when he can't hit 102 with his fastball.
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Professor Funk posted:I feel like I'm living through last offseason again with people (on Twitter etc.) talking about Betances/Chapman and K/9. It doesn't matter; the Yankees are going to win like 76 games next year. Why would they be worse than they were last season?
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The MLB portion of the Rule V draft is over. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/2016-rule-5-draft-results.html V: The Padres are filling in their roster with an infielder from the Cardinals who hasn't played above rookie ball and are rumored to be getting the Twins' pick, a pitcher who hasn't pitched above A ball. It looks like A.J. Preller is still trying to win at his OOTP MLB game.
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tadashi posted:The MLB portion of the Rule V draft is over. Hm, surprised nobody took Cave again this year. Not surprised that Torrens went, but I would be pretty amazed if he stuck.
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In a pure baseball move, I love the chapman deal. Guy's an elite arm and the yankees have infinite money. However, He is also a shithead and that makes me feel very complicated. Also a friendly reminder that the Yankees have about 74 million coming off the books next offseason. They are gonna be big time spenders again soon enough.
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If the Mariners come out of the winter meetings with only Phil Humber 2.0 I'm gonna be pretty annoyed because this rotation is in no way one that gets you to the playoffs.
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Inspector_666 posted:I think it's a defensible contract from a years/money standpoint. Money, sure, but years? 2011's top 10 relievers, by fWAR: 1. Craig Kimbrel (3.2 fWAR in 2011): 1.2 in 2016, worst of his career. 2. Jonathan Papelbon (3.0): 0.3 3. Sean Marshall: Hasn't pitched since 2014. 4. David Robertson (2.6): 1.0 5. Mariano Rivera: Hasn't pitched since 2013. 6. John Axford (1.9): 0.2 7. Mike Adams: Hasn't pitched since 2014. 8. Joel Hanrahan: Hasn't pitched since 2013. 9. Ryan Madson (1.7): 0.3 10. Greg Holland: Hasn't pitched since 2015. Relievers break. It's what they do. If Chapman is a Rivera-level exception to the rule I'll be ecstatic and it'll be a great contract. But somehow, I don't think that's likely.
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JeterianGiftBasket posted:Money, sure, but years? If in the 5th year of Chapman's deal he's garbage, I'll still take it. Even Papelbon was good last year.
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Rule V results per MLB Trade Rumors 1. Twins (39) RHP Miguel Diaz, Brewers 2. Reds (38) C Luis Torrens, Yankees 3. Padres (33) IF Allen Cordoba, Cardinals 4. Rays (39) RHP Kevin Gadea, Mariners 5. Braves (39) RHP Armando Rivero, Cubs 6. As (40) No selection 7. D-backs (38) RHP Tyler Jones, Yankees 8. Phillies (40) No selection 9. Brewers (39) LHP Caleb Smith, Yankees 10. Angels (39) RHP Justin Haley, Red Sox 11. Rockies (37) No selection 12. White Sox (38) RHP Dylan Covey, Athletics 13. Pirates (38) LHP Tyler Webb, Yankees 14. Marlins (37) No selection 15. Royals (39) No selection 16. Astros (39) No selection 17. Yankees (39) No selection 18. Mariners (40) No selection 19. Cardinals (39) No selection 20. Tigers (39) LHP Daniel Stumpf, Royals 21. Giants (40) No selection 22. Mets (40) No selection 23. Orioles (36) OF Aneury Tavarez, Red Sox 24. Blue Jays (38) RHP Glenn Sparkman, Royals 25. Dodgers (40) No selection 26. Red Sox (39) IF Josh Rutledge, Rockies 27. Indians (38) LHP Hoby Milner, Indians 28. Nationals (38) No selection 29. Rangers (39) LHP Mike Hauschild, Astros 30. Cubs (35) No selection SECOND ROUND Reds C Stuart Turner, Twins Orioles OF Anthony Santander, Indians However, I also saw this https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/806868291650277376 So who knows how accurate the rest of it is
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I don't wish the Yankees any particular ill will but I continue to hope that Chapman's rotator cuff will blow out like an old tire
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Intruder posted:Rule V results per MLB Trade Rumors The Tweet was from the 2nd round of the minor league portion of the Rule 5 draft. It moves pretty fast since teams have lists and don't need to do any negotiating with the players.
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Torrens sure is a choice, he's a 20 year old in A ball who can't hit for poo poo.
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Popete posted:For 29 other teams I don't think Chapman is worth the money. But as many have said it's the Yankees so what do they care? They have the closer spot locked down for awhile. I care because the Yankees do have a ceiling. It's a very high ceiling, I'm not saying "woe is me" but I would still rather they dump that money on someone else. Also I have no interest in rooting for Chapman.
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Paul Zuvella posted:Torrens sure is a choice, he's a 20 year old in A ball who can't hit for poo poo. He got traded to the Padres, too, so they effectively ended up with the top 3 picks. They are just loading up that empty space on their roster with Rule V guys, it seems. They can always send them back, I guess.
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Paul Zuvella posted:Torrens sure is a choice, he's a 20 year old in A ball who can't hit for poo poo. He can hit when he's healthy, he just hasn't been (shoulder stuff.) tadashi posted:He got traded to the Padres, too, so they effectively ended up with the top 3 picks. They are just loading up that empty space on their roster with Rule V guys, it seems. They can always send them back, I guess. Rule 5 guys have to stay on the 25-man all season, so their empty 40-man doesn't factor in much. They'd have to be willing to pretty much burn a roster spot to keep Torrens. Which who knows, maybe they are. It is the Padres. I think Webb has a very good chance of sticking on Pittsburg though. FlamingLiberal posted:If a player gets traded to another team I believe the Rule V rules don't apply Nope, the restrictions transfer to the new team.
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Tender Bender posted:I care because the Yankees do have a ceiling. It's a very high ceiling, I'm not saying "woe is me" but I would still rather they dump that money on someone else. Also I have no interest in rooting for Chapman. The only "ceiling" they have is getting under the Luxary Tax after next season. Which they are going to do. Also not to mention, this team won 84 games last year with a completely poo poo offense. If Sanchez puts in a full good year, Bird is close to his 2015 level, Halliday mashes some taters and one of their new outfield guys hits, they are going to have a servicible offense and compete for like 87-90 wins, which is a playoff birth. Inspector_666 posted:I think Webb has a very good chance of sticking on Pittsburg though. Yeah, Webb has a real chance to be a actual MLB LOOGY
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FlamingLiberal posted:If a player gets traded to another team I believe the Rule V rules don't apply I could swear they still do but  I mean that seems like it would create an extremely easy way to circumvent the system, just have two teams who are drafting back to back take each others' preferred pick and then trade them for each other
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Cubs traded for Caleb Smith for cash considerations following the Rule 5 draft, in Cubs chat.
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Tender Bender posted:I care because the Yankees do have a ceiling. It's a very high ceiling, I'm not saying "woe is me" but I would still rather they dump that money on someone else. Also I have no interest in rooting for Chapman. Who? This is a pretty thin FA class.
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Intruder posted:Rule V results per MLB Trade Rumors Rutledge comes home.
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mcmagic posted:Who? This is a pretty thin FA class. I'd say the issue will be in 2 years when there's a really good free agent class, Chapman may or may not be losing a bit of speed off his fastball, but they're still paying him $17 million a year for three more years.
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