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B4Ctom1 posted:Name the loadout game Starboard centerline: AN/AAQ-33 Port centerline: AN/ASQ-213 2x 370gal Drop Tanks 2x AGM-88 (Dunno if HARM or AARGM) 2x AIM-9X 2x AIM-120C-7 All with the practice round blue bands
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darnon posted:Or you get kickin' rad cluster munitions like the SFW where you can take out a column of vehicles each with their own EFP. I think I read about these in a Tom Clancy novel flying from Houston to Seattle. Maybe the one where China invades Russia for the gold and oil in Siberia, and launches nukes at the US?
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darnon posted:Or you get kickin' rad cluster munitions like the SFW where you can take out a column of vehicles each with their own EFP. For some reason, I always pictured EFPs as shaped contact explosives, not something that shoots at a tank from 30 feet in the air.
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Arglebargle III posted:This makes a lot more sense. The cluster munitions I've seen have always detonated promptly; here I was thinking there was this whole other class that was designed to not explode. Whatever was used in Laos, yeah. Something like 80 million failed and they are shredding kids hunting for scrap metal to sustain a life. e: link http://www.reuters.com/article/us-laos-clusterbombs-idUSTRE4AQ0HD20081127 Herv fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Dec 7, 2016 |
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Add Cambodia, Nam, African campaigns, Afghanistan in the 80's...
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hogmartin posted:For some reason, I always pictured EFPs as shaped contact explosives, not something that shoots at a tank from 30 feet in the air. EFPs vs. HEAT EFP: Misznay-Schardin Effect Penetration scales linearly with diameter Standoff distance relatively unimportant HEAT: Munroe Effect Penetration scales as a multiple of diameter Standoff distance highly important HEAT can penetrate much better than an EFP, *if* the round goes off at the proper distance from the armor. If it doesn't, penetration falls off rapidly. EFP doesn't really care about that, but doesn't penetrate as much in the first place. So for top-attack stuff where you don't have much armor to get through in the first place, EFP's fine. Bewbies has, I believe, written about the extreme deadliness of Russian artillery in Ukraine firing anti-armor cluster munitions, coupled with UAVs for spotting. That's not a capability to abandon.
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EFP is basically HEAT used to fling a copper slug right?
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my kinda ape posted:EFP is basically HEAT used to fling a copper slug right? I don’t know that I’d go that far, but they both use shaped charges. Platystemon fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Dec 8, 2016 |
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B4Ctom1 posted:Name the loadout game Pretty sure that's the default WW load out in Falcon BMS. You need to post some of the weird asymmetric "one of everything" loadouts they fly in Iraq/Afghanistan.
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Godholio posted:It was used to test airflow against F-22 wing geometry without relying on it to actually keep the airplane up. That 757 put up a lot of hours testing F-22 avionics, software, and wing poo poo before Raptor 01 ever flew. Coming in from a while ago, but no, those wing-looking things are part of the sensor package that's installed in the F-22.
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Of course now I can't find where I read that forever ago. It seemed odd (because it's clearly not the same shape) but from a reputable source. 
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Oh hey, Canada decided to buy some planes. http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?mthd=tp&crtr.page=1&nid=1167179&crtr.tp1D=1&_ga=1.120653448.1241698686.1476469970 https://airbusdefenceandspace.com/newsroom/news-and-features/canada-selects-airbus-c295w-for-fixed-wing-search-and-rescue/
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He's an awful person but at least you can't say he thinks like everybody else. Probably worth screencapping in case he deletes it.
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Somehow I can't help but think this is related to the 'fantastic meeting' between Trump, Ivanka, and Shinzo Abe. Cozying up to Abe, Duterte, Sharif, Tsai Ing-wen...hell, I'm sure if she wasn't in the process of being ousted, he'd have called Park Geun-hye by now. He's calling all the people you would to make China intensely nervous about encirclement. Pretty sure Pakistan won't drop China's support until we decide to stop droning their citizens, though.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Somehow I can't help but think this is related to the 'fantastic meeting' between Trump, Ivanka, and Shinzo Abe. Cozying up to Abe, Duterte, Sharif, Tsai Ing-wen...hell, I'm sure if she wasn't in the process of being ousted, he'd have called Park Geun-hye by now. I'm not sure China is nervous about "encriclement". I mean, pretty much all of these groups are being actively harassed by China.
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Warbadger posted:I'm not sure China is nervous about "encriclement". I mean, pretty much all of these groups are being actively harassed by China. I don't know - but I wouldn't be surprised if we re-open Subic Bay (talk about a billet worse than Guam), begin/theorize making port calls in Taiwan, provide Japan with better weapons technology, put more men and materiel in South Korea... "You can build your islands - we'll just set up bases and strategic partnerships with your neighbors."
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StandardVC10 posted:He's an awful person but at least you can't say he thinks like everybody else. Probably worth screencapping in case he deletes it. He's not wrong there. Regarding China, something like 80% of China's energy resources (not to mention all sorts of other imports) comes through the Strait of Malacca, so if you really want to put the screws on them, submarines and Singapore are the key.
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Mortabis posted:He's not wrong there. He very definitely is.
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Sperglord Actual posted:He very definitely is. Eh, he kind of isn't. I mean it's tasteless as gently caress for an american politician to say on loving Dec 7, but they did show a lot of competence and skill in how they organized the strike. The decision to conduct the strike, well that's another matter
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Cyrano4747 posted:they did show a lot of competence and skill in how they organized the strike. Two words: fuel tanks.
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Sperglord Actual posted:He very definitely is. How so?
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"Today marks the fiftieth anniversary of 9/11, when nineteen nationally-unaffiliated Muslim men showed incredible initiative in taking advantage of lax airline regulations to wage a surprise attack on America that ~changed everything~." - Ivanka Trump, Chief Executrix of The Incorporated States of America, September 11, 2051. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Dec 9, 2016 |
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Did Gingrich also say that Estonia isn't a real country and should correctly just be a suburb of st Petersburg?
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Throatwarbler posted:Did Gingrich also say that Estonia isn't a real country and should correctly just be a suburb of st Petersburg? Yes, he said something to that effect. One can safely assume he doesn't believe it, little comfort as it is, seeing as he was a major proponent of their NATO membership in the '90s. Gingrich isn't stupid; he's just lacking in scruples or intellectual honesty.
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Phanatic posted:How so? "Professional brilliance" is not the phrase one should use to describe a highly risky and probably unnecessary operation that was authorized by political blackmail and executed by a carrier force under the command of a badly out-of-depth torpedo specialist who let a couple of talented subordinates do all the flight planning, and that's not even getting into the decades-old doctrinal flaws that caused it to completely miss the forest for the trees. As for those talented subordinates, one of them crammed his memoirs with self-serving bullshit that poisoned western understanding of Pearl Harbor and Midway for decades. The other went into far-right politics after loving up IJN fighter procurement during the war.
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Sperglord Actual posted:"Professional brilliance" is not the phrase one should use to describe a highly risky and probably unnecessary operation that was authorized by political blackmail and executed by a carrier force under the command of a badly out-of-depth torpedo specialist who let a couple of talented subordinates do all the flight planning, and that's not even getting into the decades-old doctrinal flaws that caused it to completely miss the forest for the trees. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE.
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Sperglord Actual posted:"Professional brilliance" is not the phrase one should use to describe a highly risky and probably unnecessary operation that was authorized by political blackmail and executed by a carrier force under the command of a badly out-of-depth torpedo specialist who let a couple of talented subordinates do all the flight planning, and that's not even getting into the decades-old doctrinal flaws that caused it to completely miss the forest for the trees. So, it wasn't professionally brilliant except in all of the ways that are germane to the discussion, got it.
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Sperglord Actual posted:"Professional brilliance" is not the phrase one should use to describe a highly risky and probably unnecessary operation that was authorized by political blackmail and executed by a carrier force under the command of a badly out-of-depth torpedo specialist who let a couple of talented subordinates do all the flight planning, and that's not even getting into the decades-old doctrinal flaws that caused it to completely miss the forest for the trees. Now tell us any other navy that could've pulled that off to the same level of success. 
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xthetenth posted:Now tell us any other navy that could've pulled that off to the same level of success. Mers-el-Kabir was a pretty good success.
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xthetenth posted:Now tell us any other navy that could've pulled that off to the same level of success. Well, if Erwin Rommel had joined the Kriegsmarine...
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Hitting the tank farms and fleet oilers at Pearl would have done more damage to the USN's ability to fight than sinking every obsolete battleship in the harbor that day. The Pearl Harbor attack was launched to cripple the US pacific fleet while the Japanese southern operation secured supplies of oil, and they never stopped to think how a shortage of oil storage and transport could equally cripple the USN. This is gay black hirohito territory, but sink Neosho and Coral Sea can't happen for lack of UNREP, don't damage Shokaku and deplete the 5th Carrier Divisions air groups at Coral Sea and the balance of power at Midway starts to look real bad, if it even happens. Japan still gets buried under a pile of Essexes but it would probably take a while longer.
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I'm really not gonna talk poo poo about the Japanese for not having a perfect grasp on the center of gravity of the US fleet, especially when part of the reason those ships were important was to sustain the operations that the US adopted as a consequence of not having a battle line any more, when they pulled off a cross-ocean strike with six decks and radio silence and the US still hadn't figured out how to make the contents of one deck take off in concert.
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This isn't airpower but anything best korea is still cold war sooooo here's some people who left dear leader's embrace. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyqUw0WYwoc I love the story about the guy who couldnt afford to buy a plastic bottle for his drunk dad...so when he was escaping he tried to pick up one that was in the floating as trash but his guide said no they're plenty of new ones in China and he imagined China must be super rich. This would've been circa 2003. EDIT: No, no its when the same guy carefully explains as though it is not obvious that a man should not be publicly executed for stealing rope to feed his family. CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Dec 9, 2016 |
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That Works posted:Mers-el-Kabir was a pretty good success. A strategically vital victory, but it was only one battle in one location, and compared geographically to the Pearl Harbor operation, practically in England's back yard.
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Sperglord Actual posted:Well, if Erwin Rommel had joined the Kriegsmarine... If Erwin Rommel had joined the Kriegsmarine, he would have attempted Operation Sea Lion. That’s the kind of leader he was. It would of course have been a complete failure. But it would have shortened the war, making him an accidental hero.
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Pinback posted:I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE. Fuchida Mitsuo spent the rest of his life spinning stories about how "we totally were going to hit the tank farms during our third wave, yes indeedy I pushed for it vehemently, but the admiral decided we'd done enough and we went home over my protests because I really really wanted to hit those tank farms" despite the fact that his own post-war interrogation transcripts have him saying "why would we hit the tank farms? We were after the capital ships." Also he constructed a timeline of the Battle of Midway that the west ate up (the valiant sacrifice of a torpedo squadron lured the CAP to a lower altitude, which allowed the next attack to smash the carriers, whose decks were packed with aircraft being re-armed), despite being complete bullshit and completely refuted in Japan since the 1970s. Western historians never bothered to learn to read Japanese and translate the official records of the IJN until recently. Oh, and Fuchida also invented a story about being allowed aboard the Missouri to observe the surrender for reasons. Apparently it was totally cool with the US Navy to allow him to wander around freely and he had a great time.
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McNally posted:Also he constructed a timeline of the Battle of Midway that the west ate up (the valiant sacrifice of a torpedo squadron lured the CAP to a lower altitude, which allowed the next attack to smash the carriers, whose decks were packed with aircraft being re-armed), despite being complete bullshit and completely refuted in Japan since the 1970s. Interesting, this story is still pretty much everywhere near as I can tell.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Eh, he kind of isn't. If you read the rest of his tweets, it was only one part of a chain, where he says that we can be surprised by our enemies and need to stay vigilant. That one on its own seems tasteless but it's a perfectly valid point combined with the others.
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