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Fullhouse posted:I want to get drunk and shoot guns in the woods with hillbilly socialists Used to do that on 4th of July, and apparently according to "liberals" that kind of 'behavior' is why muslims in the middle-east hate us.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Used to do that on 4th of July, and apparently according to neoliberal military-industrial complex snakemen that kind of 'behavior' is why muslims in the middle-east hate us. Tight Booty Shorts posted:It's the loving best. I loved working in the adirondacks for this reason. Some of the best people, and we didn't even try to reach out them. Shame. gotta give them credit for trying not to reach out for them despite trying to run them over with a steamroller, while not a politically "smart" move, it's at least honest on their part.
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paranoid randroid posted:tough tiddy, man, im here to chew gum and call Fred of Boer a bad lame dude who sucks people who call deBoer bad are generally idiots, his opinions on Gawker and Pokemon Go notwithstanding
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Well I'm trying to understand the "Housing as an investment" mind-set. If you don't think housing is an investment, then we agree. If you do then I want to know why a car isn't an investment, but a house is. cars depreciate the instant you buy them and never stop depreciating. they are an investment in the sense that they make your life or job easier but you will never get all your money back on it. I guess housing can be an investment in the same way but in the good old us of a it usually means trying to make money on the fucker which 2008 should have taught you was a colossaly bad idea
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:fixed Holy gently caress. I just read about this. And once again Bernie Sanders did the right thing and opposed these cuts. The drat guy isn't even a democrat! 
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:The drat guy isn't even a democrat! now that reaganism is becoming bankrupt as political currency though, things will be a bit more interesting
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Segmentation Fault posted:people who call deBoer bad are generally idiots, his opinions on Gawker and Pokemon Go notwithstanding yeah well im pretty fuckin dumb biut thats neither here nor there and doesnt change the fact that deBoer got a personality like a mouthful of bugspray
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paranoid randroid posted:yeah well im pretty fuckin dumb biut thats neither here nor there and doesnt change the fact that deBoer got a personality like a mouthful of bugspray Anime Schoolgirl posted:deboer definitely could go with breaking his "no drinking" secularist mormon habit and taken along for the ride on a drunken hillbilly joyride a couple times
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freddie deboer, after three spiked naked juice bottles: "no war but the class war motherfuckerrrrrrrrrrrr *blows a neoliberal's face off with several lit m-80's*" this has to happen at least once, it'd be more impactful than screaming at the brick wall that is neoliberal randian academia
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Internet Explorer posted:I think you have to be careful with this line of reasoning. Yes, it is another form of the have's versus the have-not's. Another example of people trying to pull up the ladder behind them. But, there are plenty of people who qualify as "not rich" who have purchased houses and are very adversely affected by dropping house prices. If you spent 100k on a house, borrowed 80k of that, and now the house costs 60k you are pretty much hosed. It becomes infinitely harder to find a job, move to take care of a sick family member, get additional credit, or put additional money into home improvements. First up, notice that I said nothing about people who want home prices to stay the same, that doesn't inherently make you lovely, just a bit selfish and short sighted. Furthermore, even if it drops: You still have a house. It's utility has in no way decreased, and you don't owe a single extra dollar on it. If house prices have gone down across the board, the value you would acquire by selling the house and purchasing a similar home in another location is identical. Additional home improvements do not cost any more money. In none of these situations are you "hosed". The only major difference is that you're paying less in taxes. You might have trouble getting additional credit, but since everyone sees the same reduction in home prices, that would probably be more because of a general reduction in a willingness to loan, not because of a drop in house prices. Acelerion posted:Labor mobility for one. It's a lot more common now days to chase work all over the country, and having to cough up 60k to get out of a mortgage is impossible for most people. Please explain to me how Labour would not be a lot more mobile if houses were significantly cheaper, meaning you'd need smaller downpayments and smaller amounts of credit to acquire a home in a new place. GlyphGryph has issued a correction as of 18:36 on Dec 9, 2016 |
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UHD posted:cars depreciate the instant you buy them and never stop depreciating. they are an investment in the sense that they make your life or job easier but you will never get all your money back on it. I mean I agree a car isn't an investment either.
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think in general we agree i just like to read my own posts
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:a billion times this, there are a surprising amount of socialist egalitarian rednecks that need to be "signal boosted" like gently caress to fight against the idea of the monolithic "white working class" voting block I can tell you first-hand that even in the depths blood red Arkansas there are many receptive to progressive views. It's just that we get drowned out by the "traditional values" population that refuses to deviate from the ignorance that is enforced by the slavish devotion to whatever the Republican good ol' boys that do commercials in pickup trucks say.
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Internet Explorer posted:Is this a serious question or are you trolling? If you're serious I'd be happy to answer, otherwise, I'll let someone else take the bait. Housing is not actually different except insofar as we have all collectively decided to pretend that it is as part of a plan to gently caress over the young and the poor. It's loving beanie babies on a massive scale.
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while we're talkin about loosening up lefty writers, the entire staff of Jacobin needs to be taken out to get blazed in the woods somewhere until they learn to inject a little style into their writing because jesus freaking christ Jacobin articles read like maintenance instructions for a diesel engine
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:i'm not sure that was a bad thing and i'm sure he thinks the same way considering he was rejected multiple times by the democratic party for not being a reaganite We've seen better leadership from an old independent senator from Vermont and a black Muslim than decades of the Clintons and Obama. Ridiculous.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:they should get chapo trap house to write articles Hell yes. All hail the rise of the dirtbag press.
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You may hate libertarians but if Ron Paul were elected president in 08 we would have killed ou're parents and then Trump would never have been elected.
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Fullhouse posted:I want to get drunk and shoot guns in the woods with hillbilly socialists Homemade "fireworks" that are just loving bombs are incredible.
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Grondoth posted:Homemade "fireworks" that are just loving bombs are incredible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edRbcTXAijY
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greatn posted:You may hate libertarians but if Ron Paul were elected president in 08 we would have killed ou're parents and then Trump would never have been elected. Maybe there is something to this accelerationism stuff after all.
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Grondoth posted:Homemade "fireworks" that are just loving bombs are incredible. one 4th of july my dad made a homemade bottle rocket by taping a model rocket engine to a kebab skewer immediately after lighting it the skewer fell over and my dog grabbed it and ran around the yard with the engine futilely trying to pull the skewer out of the dog's mouth
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‘If there is hope,’ wrote Winston, ‘it lies in the hellraisers.’ If there was hope, it MUST lie in the don't-give-a-gently caress c'mon let's have a beer class, because only there in those written-off, disregarded masses, could the illegal fireworks, weed, and moonshine necessary to destroy the Party ever be generated.
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D&D might be a lost cause, but I just saw one of the biggest hillbots in my news feed credit Bernie Sanders' Twitter for some troubling stats about income inequality he was looking into, with a Like on it from another of the biggest hillbots in my news feed, which was encouraging to me  Both of them work for the government in some capacity or other too
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:‘If there is hope,’ wrote Winston, ‘it lies in the hellraisers.’ Let's unite the hood and the woods 
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GlyphGryph posted:
Totally agree. It's just the situation where you get underwater on one that could be a problem.
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There are good rednecks out there. I know a few. It's just hard to find em.
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Acelerion posted:Totally agree. It's just the situation where you get underwater on one that could be a problem. I mean, even then you're only technically worse off on paper. Since our society is poo poo, being technically worse off on paper comes with unpleasant real world side effects, of course.
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Shinjobi posted:There are good rednecks out there. I know a few. You gotta sniff around for the weed. Stoner rednecks are much more chill than the jeebus-fearing, bud-light pounding, loud-truck driving, anti-liberal bumper sticker types. Source: born into a stoner redneck family from rural MS and currently live around bad trump rednecks.
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Right, it's arbitrary unless you need to sell it, in which case the difference has to be covered. I think job changes make up maybe even the majority of reasons people sell houses - thus it locks them into a regional job market. Kind of pointless argument. I'm sure it could be addressed and it's much more important people stop seeing things folks need to live as investment vehicles
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gently caress Hillary. gently caress everything. Bernie/Keith fo lyfe
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Bernie/Keith fo lyfe my preferred Democratic party leadership as well as my OTP
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:gently caress Hillary. gently caress everything. welcome to the club
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lol can you people really not understand why being underwater on your mortgage is a Bad Thing your house being worth less than when you bought it has real-world consequences: you cannot move unless you can afford to pay the depreciated value of your home vs. what you paid for it, or, you have paid off the entirety of your home anyway. housing is an 'investment' because unlike renting, you (in theory) recoup the value (and hopefully more) if you ever sell the property. You are effectively stuck in the home. Now, imagine you lose your job, or your spouse loses their job, etc.
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