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Waffles Inc. posted:The Ion Cannon on Hoth is also a death star 
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Dec 9, 2016 15:06
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Waffles Inc. posted:The Ion Cannon on Hoth is also a death star Okay, now you're just trolling.
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Dec 9, 2016 15:07
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jivjov posted:Okay, now you're just trolling. I'm honestly not
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Dec 9, 2016 15:20
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Waffles Inc. posted:I'm honestly not So are TIE fighters Death Stars since they're round and shoot lasers?
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Dec 9, 2016 15:24
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I am a Death Star (and so can you!)
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Dec 9, 2016 15:28
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Everything is a death star when you think about it.
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Dec 9, 2016 15:29
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jivjov posted:So are TIE fighters Death Stars since they're round and shoot lasers? Don't be ridiculous. They're little black cuckballs.
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Dec 9, 2016 15:29
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It's a question of scale. They're Death Protoplanets at best. Easily mistaken for Death Planets in some circumstances!
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Dec 9, 2016 16:04
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This is like when we argue about whether people need to write "in my opinion" before every post. When someone says that Starkiller Base was another Death Star, its obvious what they mean. Well, it should be.
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Dec 9, 2016 16:13
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BB-8 is almost certainly a Death Starkiller Base.
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Dec 9, 2016 16:15
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jivjov posted:Except it is made explicitly clear that it is not a Death Star. Do I need to post the actual clip where this is established? It isn't established, actually. The fact that they don't call it a Death Star doesn't mean it isn't one. Do they actually say "no, it's not a Death Star?" Like, you're arguing that a Concorde is not a jet, because they call it a "Concorde" very clearly and show a schematic of it comparing it to a smaller passenger jet. In every way -- how it looks, what it does in the plot, how it is meant to bring new fans to the iconic imagery and old fans to their Happy Nerding Grounds, how it gets destroyed -- it is a Death Star. The second Death Star is bigger than the first, right? So it's not even distinguished by size, only by the different name.
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Dec 9, 2016 16:18
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The Death Star is a Galaxy S7. The Death Star 2 is a Galaxy S7 Edge. Starkiller Base is a Galaxy Note 7. They have a fatal flaw that makes them blow up, you see. 
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Dec 9, 2016 16:19
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Don't one of the characters in the movie call it a "Death Star, only bigger"?
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Dec 9, 2016 16:26
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homullus posted:It isn't established, actually. The fact that they don't call it a Death Star doesn't mean it isn't one. Do they actually say "no, it's not a Death Star?" Like, you're arguing that a Concorde is not a jet, because they call it a "Concorde" very clearly and show a schematic of it comparing it to a smaller passenger jet. In every way -- how it looks, what it does in the plot, how it is meant to bring new fans to the iconic imagery and old fans to their Happy Nerding Grounds, how it gets destroyed -- it is a Death Star. The second Death Star is bigger than the first, right? So it's not even distinguished by size, only by the different name. Here's what jivjov is being obtuse about. code:But, like...c'mon, man, you know what everyone is saying. It is essentially, and for the purposes of the story, "another Death Star".
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Dec 9, 2016 16:31
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Yeah, but my peeve is that they didnt mention Death Star 2 as a comparison to show that the first was teeny tiny, the second a lot bigger, then Star Killer base being biggest of all, etc.
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Dec 9, 2016 16:31
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UmOk posted:Don't one of the characters in the movie call it a "Death Star, only bigger"? My god, a Death Red Giant.
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Dec 9, 2016 16:33
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Friendly Factory posted:I'm not sure it's "several" times, but sure. Friendly Factory posted:You also can't return to a thing that didn't exist before. The Separatists are libertarian capitalists who want to secede from the Republic, so that they can exploit their slaves in peace--which is why it's perfectly fitting that Count Dooku is their leader. (Dracula's a Jedi master, but no one uses that title.) Scratch a libertarian and find a feudalist. The distinction between ideology and organization is important here, too. The antebellum South wasn't feudalist in organization, but idolized Walter Scott. Libertarian thinkers like Hans Hermann Hoppe essentially advocate for a return to feudalism; libertopians fantasize about building citadels in the middle of nowhere. So it's quite natural that Count Dracula becomes the leader of a Corporate Alliance.
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Dec 9, 2016 16:33
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MrBigglesworth posted:Yeah, but my peeve is that they didnt mention Death Star 2 as a comparison to show that the first was teeny tiny, the second a lot bigger, then Star Killer base being biggest of all, etc.
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Dec 9, 2016 17:05
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Ash1138 posted:They should've started with the ball turrets on Republic gunships, which were pretty overt references to the Death Star. Or the big trade federation Death Stars on Geonosis that were shot down by green republic Death Star lasers.
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Dec 9, 2016 17:09
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Ey, jivjov. What does it mean for something to be a Death Star?
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Dec 9, 2016 17:16
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UmOk posted:Or the big trade federation Death Stars on Geonosis that were shot down by green republic Death Star lasers. It's like poetry.....
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Dec 9, 2016 17:30
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Bongo Bill posted:Ey, jivjov. What does it mean for something to be a Death Star? Or, to ask another way: if the second Death Star had been exactly the same except that it was called the Murder Ball, would that make it not a Death Star?
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Dec 9, 2016 17:57
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hey everybody the racists finally came out of the woodwork against Rogue One
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Dec 9, 2016 18:14
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Phi230 posted:hey everybody the racists finally came out of the woodwork against Rogue One What are they complaining about?
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Dec 9, 2016 18:24
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Two of the writers tried to get their goat on Twitter and succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. What are they going to do with this goat now?
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Dec 9, 2016 18:28
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Raxivace posted:I know better than to ask what they are complaining about. Without looking, that there are more than just white people in it.
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Dec 9, 2016 18:28
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They did the same thing with TFA and it amounted to nothing because no one cares about these dorks.
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Dec 9, 2016 18:32
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Raxivace posted:I know better than to ask what they are complaining about. I'll go ahead and link you the articles because explaining this poo poo makes me feel gross http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/08/alt-right-neo-nazis-discover-true-meaning-of-star-wars-wage-dumpstarwars-campaign.html ‘Alt-Right’ Trumpsters Discover True Meaning of ‘Star Wars,’ Wage #DumpStarWars Campaign beest posted:Forty years after its debut, ‘Star Wars’ has been at last discovered as an anti-Nazi fable by the so-called alt-right (translation: white supremacists), who now plan to boycott ‘Rogue One.’ http://www.pajiba.com/star_wars/altnazis-are-boycotting-rogue-one-because-its-feminist-antiwhite-degenerate-trash-.php Alt-Nazis Are Boycotting 'Rogue One' Because It's 'Feminist, Anti-White Degenerate Trash' whatever posted:That, in full, was enough to spark outrage among the alt-Nazis, who have decided to add Rogue One to a list of things that they’re boycotting, along with Hamilton, Starbucks, Kellogs, and Facts.
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Dec 9, 2016 18:58
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Wikipedia says that the droid that Alan Tudyk voices is "rebel owned" and was an Imperial droid that had its memory wiped by one of the rebel characters so I guess that free droids are not welcome in the "multicultural" rebel alliance.
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Dec 9, 2016 19:19
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Ash1138 posted:Wikipedia says that the droid that Alan Tudyk voices is "rebel owned" and was an Imperial droid that had its memory wiped by one of the rebel characters so I guess that free droids are not welcome in the "multicultural" rebel alliance. or its a simple terminator reference
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Dec 9, 2016 19:30
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Phi230 posted:or its a simple terminator reference Yeah but you don't just reference stuff for no reason. Being a Terminator reference sets up an even bigger "humans versus machines" theme.
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Dec 9, 2016 19:37
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Guy A. Person posted:Yeah but you don't just reference stuff for no reason. Being a Terminator reference sets up an even bigger "humans versus machines" theme. well think about it man why would an imperial droid, who ultimately is still a slave to its programming, defect from the empire? steal the droid, wipe its mind, the rebels made it free
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Dec 9, 2016 19:38
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 i apologize in advance
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Dec 9, 2016 19:51
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Again: you could instantly prove me wrong by simply pointing out any errors I've made. Okay, one more time. I wasn't saying you called the governments feudalistic, I was pointing out that nothing in Star Wars was ever feudalistic. Dooku's secret meeting discusses something akin to NATO or the Warsaw Pact, not feudalism. There's nothing in the film that applies a filter of feudalism unless, again, you're under the incorrect assumption that nobility naturally begets feudalism. To borrow one of your idiotisms: Are you sure you know what feudalism is? Because I feel like you have it confused with royalty. Halloween Jack posted:Sorry, I conflated your posts with another historian ITT. I don't know how this could be any more clear: Feudalism is not monarchy, it's not slave owning, it's not royal titles. We had kings and queens and emperors for thousands of years before feudalism and in most of the world, feudalism never happened. It is not natural and it is specific to certain parts of the world. Moreover, "royal titles" in the Star Wars universe were shown in the PT to be nothing more than fancy words. Padme, the "Queen" of Naboo, had a term. She wasn't a constitutional monarch, she was a president with a different name. Do you know why Lucas made them queens and knights and whatnot? It isn't because of some hidden notion about feudalism, it was because he was making a sci-fantasy franchise and knights rescued queens in fantasy. Hans-Hermann Hoppe is in favour of free contracts, freedom to switch occupations and the like. This is classic libertarianism and is the antithesis of feudalism. He certainly has elements of anarchy in his work (and I'm an anarchist), but to call what he wants feudalism tells me that you have no clue what feudalism is. I'm sorry if I'm coming off as harsh but the degree to which some people here are so sure that they're right when they're demonstrably false and misguided is staggering.
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Dec 9, 2016 19:56
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Phi230 posted:
"The Little White Cuck-ball"
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Dec 9, 2016 19:59
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why is dooku a count you say? because count dracula is embedded into our culture and thus count = spooky bad guy in the western consciousness
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Dec 9, 2016 20:01
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Ash1138 posted:Wikipedia says that the droid that Alan Tudyk voices is "rebel owned" and was an Imperial droid that had its memory wiped by one of the rebel characters so I guess that free droids are not welcome in the "multicultural" rebel alliance. This was known, of course. It's been consistent since 1977.
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Dec 9, 2016 20:02
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phi230, you shouldn't look in too much in what /pol/ thinks of star wars, It's a cesspool
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Dec 9, 2016 20:07
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Wild Horses posted:phi230, you shouldn't look in too much in what /pol/ thinks of star wars, It's a cesspool i know perfectly well what the alt right thinks of star wars, im more surprised it hasnt gotten started till now. last year they were in huge uproar for months its like a new star wars tradition to offend nazis as much as possible
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Dec 9, 2016 20:09
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The new Spiderman movie is going to be another good one, his love interest is going to be a non-white person. Hollywood's taking the white genocide straight to the kids this time, think of all the white babies that won't be born because high schoolers will think its ok to date someone who isn't white.
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