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look man, first we make the USA into the socialist paradise we've all been dreaming of then we get a blonde guy to fake an alien attack and use that as pretense to unite all of humanity under a single banner and forge a utopia e: alienEd Balls
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Private prisons are bad but fixing them would solve basically none of the major problems with the criminal justice system. Mass incarceration predates them and would outlive them.  I wasn't saying we have to totally end private prisons first before anything. But rather we should worry about the influence that their money has when discussing the topic of legalization. gently caress it's such an interlocked hosed up problem. It's a giant tangled ball of yarn. Where do you start unraveling it?
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:
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100 degrees Calcium posted:I don't know what crawled your rear end and compelled you to post this but it's not my problem. I didn't mean that as an insult to you. Sorry.
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Because that's how our government works, states actually do have some rights. Not even a progressive Supreme Court would let you do this. We still have dry counties in this country. the federal government already does this with DUI laws and transportation funding, there is no reason why we cannot tie other funding mechanisms that states rely on to drug sentencing.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:I didn't mean that as an insult to you. Sorry. Nay, the apology is mine to make. I clearly misinterpreted and overreacted. We are good.
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The problem is, is that no one country can solve these problems A global, concerted effort on drugs is what needs to happen global legalization, global effort to end slavery, global effort to make corporations ethical, global effort to end the exploitation of the third world and guess what, im the queen of england and pigs fly
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MaxxBot posted:If you're so concerned about drugs being cultivated/manufactured in the third world I'd be fine with legalization specifying that the drugs needed to be made in America. oh that's their plan isn't it gently caress Phi230 posted:The problem is, is that no one country can solve these problems
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Phi230 posted:The problem is, is that no one country can solve these problems So should we keep on throwing people into prison for life for basically no reason, in the meantime? I'm confused.
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IMO just ending the utterly illogical, rear end-backwards, insane policy of giving criminal penalties to people for using drugs in their own homes would go a long way. This is a case of the government going out of their way to expend effort on something that is actively detrimental to society, it needs to end now.
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100 degrees Calcium posted:So should we keep on throwing people into prison for life for basically no reason, in the meantime? I'm confused. How dare you, sir. How dare you expect him to offer suggestions instead of just bitching endlessly and dropping bits of cookie cutter socialist theorycrafting jargon ITT.
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Phi230 posted:yeah all those people whose heads get chainsawed off because of my polo t-shirts I'm not sure what you think is gonna happen once soft drugs like weed and LSD are legalized in the states but I guarantee you no respectable dispensary is going to start sawing their competitions heads off.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:How dare you, sir.
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100 degrees Calcium posted:So should we keep on throwing people into prison for life for basically no reason, in the meantime? I'm confused. should i have to disclaim i am against mass incarceration, but legalization wont fix that. There are so many problems that contribute to it need to: end the drug war, force corporations like Shell, Exxon, Monsanto, Every Single Clothing Corporation, etc... to stop the rape of the third world end mandatory minimums, end militarized policing, end the fundamental racism that underlies US society any and all of that have a simple solution like "bruh legalize this poo poo"
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Dec 10, 2016 01:43
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:How dare you, sir. I'm a stinker.  Anime Schoolgirl posted:believe it or not there are people who miss LF poo poo, I hate capitalism as much as the next person, but even I know not to take it out on people actively promoting good socially-beneficial changes.
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Phi230 posted:should i have to disclaim
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:believe it or not there are people who miss LF they must be on drugs
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:I'm not sure what you think is gonna happen once soft drugs like weed and LSD are legalized in the states but I guarantee you no respectable dispensary is going to start sawing their competitions heads off. what about abroad? In SE asia and south america? its only gonna get worse in the third world weed and LSD are mainly produced stateside anyway
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:do you think "simply decriminalize possession" is a good step or will it leave the floodgates open to more exploitation of columbian farmers its a good first step sure but uh when legalization happens and mass incarceration suddenly doesn't magically end....just don't get your hopes up. There are dozens of reasons why mass incarceration happens
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:do you think "simply decriminalize possession" is a good step or will it leave the floodgates open to more exploitation of columbian farmers but but something pseudo-profound that includes the word "commodification"
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Phi230 posted:what about abroad? In SE asia and south america? Do you think harsh criminal penalties for drug users is a better solution? That's what the current status quo is.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:
I think the first step is you have to stop criminalizing victimless crimes so people stop seeing the police as someone who is after them and instead see them as people who are after people who victimize them and their neighbors. Then, you have to reduce sentences drastically across the board and focus more on rehabilitation. Yes, even for violent criminals. This second part, of course, is not going to happen in our lifetimes because people are (for understandable reasons) scared shittless of violent crime. Fear, as pretty much always in politics, is the biggest obstacle. Meanwhile, we nominate this lady instead: quote:URSULA BURNS: So long means thumbs up, short means thumbs down; or long means I support, short means I don't. I'm going to start with — I'm going to give you about ten long-shorts.
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Phi230 posted:should i have to disclaim "Actually there are no problems and the status quo is cool and good " - Democratic slogan 
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Phi230 posted:what about abroad? In SE asia and south america? I don't know why you think that once recreational use becomes legal in the US people in Asia are gonna start murdering each other. I'm missing a step here.
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MaxxBot posted:Do you think harsh criminal penalties for drug users is a better solution? That's what the current status quo is. I'm taking you to jail, MaxxBot. You've done nothing wrong, but if I don't incarcerate you then the terrorists will only get stronger.
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Phi230 posted:but uh when legalization happens and mass incarceration suddenly doesn't magically end....just don't get your hopes up. There are dozens of reasons why mass incarceration happens i'm all for that bring out the gate rammers
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drugs are bad mmkay you shouldn't do drugs bernie doesn't do drugs
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:but but something pseudo-profound that includes the word "commodification" drugs have already been commodified that's not even in the cards what is the natural thing that happens when a market grows, which would happen under legalization? growth of commodities like drugs explicitly involves imperialistic exploitation of resources in the third world, it will only grow yall have a very myopic view, and when legalization happens you all are gonna shift to the next single issue and gasp when the inevitable atrocities and injustices occur abroad or youll just not give a poo poo, and sit on your high horse smokin a big one, sayin, gently caress you got mine
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I'm confused, is anyone actually saying that legalizing drug use will solve the problem entirely?
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Phi230 posted:or youll just not give a poo poo, and sit on your high horse smokin a big one, sayin, gently caress you got mine Dogg I appreciate your motivation but you are projecting hard
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:I don't know why you think that once recreational use becomes legal in the US people in Asia are gonna start murdering each other. I'm missing a step here. sure they are, as the market for drugs grows, so do the clandestine operations around the world and guess what, when we legalize here in the states, its still gonna be illegal around the world, so they will remain clandestine. Legalization JUST in the US is a bandaid on a bullet wound, a means to pretend like everything is ok as the rest of the world goes to poo poo around our ears
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Phi230 posted:drugs have already been commodified that's not even in the cards  What in the Christ is this meltdown about
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repealing overly harsh drug laws is really difficult because drug legalization advocates are almost without exception really loving infuriating people to talk to just like so many others on the political left
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Phi230 posted:sure they are, as the market for drugs grows, so do the clandestine operations around the world
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Phi230 posted:sure they are, as the market for drugs grows, so do the clandestine operations around the world Legalization doesn't cause markets to grow In places where drugs are legal less people use and abuse drugs
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:repealing overly harsh drug laws is really difficult because drug legalization advocates are almost without exception really loving infuriating people to talk to poo poo, on that, I think, we can all agree.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:repealing overly harsh drug laws is really difficult because drug legalization advocates are almost without exception really loving infuriating people to talk to
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:so are you saying we should never try? Drugs shouldn't be legalized until there's a world wide Marxist government, duh
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:so are you saying we should never try? nah go ahead its gonna make things marginally better just don't poo poo on me for thinking the fight is never over Tight Booty Shorts posted:Legalization doesn't cause markets to grow umm so youre saying that weed, as an industry, didn't grow from legalization in CO and others?
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:repealing overly harsh drug laws is really difficult because drug legalization advocates are almost without exception really loving infuriating people to talk to turn your monitor on
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