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Inept posted:Oh no a free update to a game to address things people didn't like. I'm pretty sure that was the first DLC ever released, or at least it was super early on the trend. PC Gamer did a whole article about it and how it was just a ridiculous glimpse of things to come.
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ate all the Oreos posted:Because the designers of F2P games invested tons of money to psychologically generate a perfectly addictive experience and modulate it exactly right. It's like saying "I don't understand why someone would be addicted to drugs when they can just get high on life like me!" It's like slots. Slot machines are an objectively terrible, boring-rear end game, I am getting bored just typing the name. And even worse you are mathematically certain to lose money playing them in the long run, and very likely in the short run too. But then you read about behavioral psychology and their existence suddenly makes a lot of sense.
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Dec 9, 2016 16:52
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Also there are games which are entirely F2P and the only money you spend is in dressing up your playable avatars in funny hats like Dota 2.
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Dec 9, 2016 16:56
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Pureauthor posted:Also there are games which are entirely F2P and the only money you spend is in dressing up your playable avatars in funny hats like Dota 2. And holy poo poo do people spend money on that.
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Dec 9, 2016 16:58
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I'm advising my cousin on her lovely financial situation. She's trying to go back to school, but her old school is holding her transcripts until she pays. I called the school on her behalf to see if they'd negotiate. I knew she owed 6k already, but when they mentioned a previously unknown Perkins loan I got that bad feeling in my stomach. Loan total? $2k. poo poo, $2k in this thread is like losing 50 cents in a vending machine in the real world. She didn't look very happy about it, but I sure felt better. Also, you know that seminal moment when young people realize what taxes are? I got that today when we were estimating next year's tax refund and she isn't getting everything back. I even got a no-poo poo real life, "what do they even spend taxes on?"
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Dec 9, 2016 17:04
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Krispy Kareem posted:I even got a no-poo poo real life, "what do they even spend taxes on?" D'awh 
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Krispy Kareem posted:"what do they even spend taxes on?" I still, to this day, find myself asking that at times.
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Moneyball posted:I still, to this day, find myself asking that at times. Here, let me make you a graph. 
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Dec 9, 2016 17:20
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Nail Rat posted:Rent-to-own horses? Funny you should say that... quote:Hey--unusual situation, but maybe you can just think of it as a car payment and it will help normalize it. source: https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/5hbcjk/i_make_payments_on_a_horse_the_owner_is_extremely/
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Dec 9, 2016 17:33
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VitalSigns posted:It's like slots. I was in a casino at like 2 pm on a Thursday and they were having a competitive event. Like 20 machines were cordoned off and they had an announcer calling out who was in the lead, with stats and stuff showing up on some kind of automated leaderboard. People got some kind of promo balance on their player cards so they weren't gambling their own money. About a dozen people were watching so I stopped and checked it out. Every person at those machines was just spamming the "max bet" button as fast as possible. That's it. Imagine standing behind a bunch of people while they hit the spacebar, switching hands as needed. It was the most boring stupid no-skill poo poo I've ever seen. Eventually a winner was whoever was on top when the timer ran out, determined exactly by random chance. It made watching your older brother play Halo look like the loving superbowl.
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Dec 9, 2016 17:49
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On F2P games, as long as the person is budgeting for it, i don't see the big deal. I budget 150 a week on "stuff" and sometimes thats 20 bucks on virtual cards, sometimes its going out for drinks with homies. In the past 2 months, I've probably dropped 50 dollars on a phone card game, but I've probably played it that many hours.
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Dec 9, 2016 18:01
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What's a phone card game?
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Dec 9, 2016 18:04
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A card game on your phone. Alternately, a game where you race those Sigue cards to see who can complete a call home to Guatemala the fastest  E: that lady renting to own the horse from the crone who could die any second sounds totally legit, can't wait to read that over breakfast
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Dec 9, 2016 18:17
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Uncle Enzo posted:Every person at those machines was just spamming the "max bet" button as fast as possible. That's it. Imagine standing behind a bunch of people while they hit the spacebar, switching hands as needed. It was the most boring stupid no-skill poo poo I've ever seen. Eventually a winner was whoever was on top when the timer ran out, determined exactly by random chance. I took my grandmother to Tunica; gave her money for slots. I thought, "this is alright, 25 cents a pull, she can play this all da...MAX BET MAX BET MAX BET!" She was so excited how she won $200 with the $500 I gave her.
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Dec 9, 2016 18:48
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Uncle Enzo posted:I was in a casino at like 2 pm on a Thursday and they were having a competitive event. Like 20 machines were cordoned off and they had an announcer calling out who was in the lead, with stats and stuff showing up on some kind of automated leaderboard. People got some kind of promo balance on their player cards so they weren't gambling their own money. About a dozen people were watching so I stopped and checked it out. Competitive slot machines?  Like is there a league or something or is this just dressed up fanfare thought up by the casino to get regular people to pour more money into the things
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Dec 9, 2016 18:49
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HelloIAmYourHeart posted:Funny you should say that... Aside from Horse Mortgage Payments, this isn't all that bad as long as she gets an actual written transaction.
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Dec 9, 2016 18:59
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I think there's a buy in and a time limit and you bet some fake cash. The person who wins the most with their fake cash at the end of the contest gets the pot minus the rake. I guess you always have a chance until the very end. What would really suck is if you hit the friggen jackpot and end up only pocketing a few hundred or something. Doesn't seem too exciting but I'm going to spend a ton of money watching other people roll dice this weekend so what do I know.
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BarbarianElephant posted:What's a phone card game? Its like poker, but if you play a galaxy you catch on fire.
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Dec 9, 2016 19:05
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overdesigned posted:Not anymore! Thanks, Gaming Industry (tm) Isn't this a positive though? It's a free update to improve part of the game that people didn't like. It's not as though they set out to make that part bad to get more money out of people.
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Dec 9, 2016 19:21
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Eldred posted:Isn't this a positive though? It's a free update to improve part of the game that people didn't like. It's not as though they set out to make that part bad to get more money out of people. I think it's more they're saying "There are many great games out there that are complete out of the box for $60" is not true since the game is literally still having storyline and cutscenes added to it for 5 updates that don't even have scheduled release dates yet.
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Dec 9, 2016 19:51
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The trick is buying the game a while after release, when it can be bought for less than $60 on sale and already has most of its patches added. Admitedly those patches are usually "fixed gamebreaking bug/balance issue" and not "added big chunk of story", but people don't seem to mind patches adding new gameplay content/story as much as the backslide into players-as-playtesters. Content! Ordered one computer. Received two. Billed twice. What now? (self.personalfinance) posted:tl;dr: Can I make Chase pay to have UPS/Fedex pick up the unordered computer to ship back to retailer? They declined the transaction, then pushed it through a week and a half later.
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Dec 9, 2016 20:04
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ate all the Oreos posted:Competitive slot machines? They call them "tournaments". I think there is a fixed buyin, and you have like 10 minutes to make as much money as possible. It is played on a modified slot machine where the dollar values aren't real anymore, it's more like points. I don't know how exactly the payouts work but I assume the tournament prizes are similar to a poker tournament. It's always just a bunch of old people mashing the button as fast as possible. It is kind of transfixing to watch them play - I was wandering around a casino once and they had cameras set up broadcasting the action lol.
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Dec 9, 2016 20:09
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ate all the Oreos posted:I think it's more they're saying "There are many great games out there that are complete out of the box for $60" is not true since the game is literally still having storyline and cutscenes added to it for 5 updates that don't even have scheduled release dates yet. Updates that they don't charge you any extra money for are all well and good in terms of financial sense. If Candy Crush just gifted you little upgrades and cheats occasionally then who would have a problem with that?
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Dec 9, 2016 20:15
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Haifisch posted:"Guys, we're getting charged for two computers but I'm too lazy to drive to Best Buy to return one. Help?" If he actually has to pay a restocking fee I can kind of see his point. Otherwise, yeah he's a big baby.
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Dec 9, 2016 20:32
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Haifisch posted:The trick is buying the game a while after release, when it can be bought for less than $60 on sale and already has most of its patches added. Or, if you read what you posted, they are traveling and don't want to (nor should they have to) deal with going to a physical store to return a duplicate order that isn't their mistake to begin with. UPS pickup of something like that should be trivial and part of the return process, and it's on Chase.
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Dec 9, 2016 20:35
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Haifisch posted:"Guys, we're getting charged for two computers but I'm too lazy to drive to Best Buy to return one. Help?" If I didn't leave my couch to get the computer I'm not leaving my couch to unfuck their problems. I agree they should have called best buy to explain, but they are in the right here. I just was party to a low budget bad with money story. Someone talking about how they have their twice a month pilates class tomorrow, and a third person asked if she could go with her and how much it cost. "Oh it's one of my package sessions, I bought twelve for a little under $1,000." The story goes on to find out it's a 1 on 1 session at equinox. This person does not go there more than 2-3 times a month at $150/month, most of the time to consume a one on one pilates class credit at $90 a session. She later said it cost $1,080/package even. The story teller is not in shape at all and has absolutely no need for one on one classes other than her instructor is hot. She would fit in great at planet fitness for ~$320/month less. Or a regular pilates studio group class. Or a 1:1 at a studio for $100/month less.
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NancyPants posted:Or, if you read what you posted, they are traveling and don't want to (nor should they have to) deal with going to a physical store to return a duplicate order that isn't their mistake to begin with. UPS pickup of something like that should be trivial and part of the return process, and it's on Chase. I have never ordered from Best Buy online, but I have noticed that a lot of online only or catalog and online retailers have a smooth return policy and process that is usually free and easy, and older brick and mortor store tend to suck balls at it. Same with shipping and handling fees.
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Droo posted:They call them "tournaments". I think there is a fixed buyin, and you have like 10 minutes to make as much money as possible. It is played on a modified slot machine where the dollar values aren't real anymore, it's more like points. I don't know how exactly the payouts work but I assume the tournament prizes are similar to a poker tournament. Is the best strategy just not playing any games and letting probability do the rest?
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therobit posted:I have never ordered from Best Buy online, but I have noticed that a lot of online only or catalog and online retailers have a smooth return policy and process that is usually free and easy, and older brick and mortor store tend to suck balls at it. Same with shipping and handling fees. They do suck at it. Chase declined the charge, Chase charges a credit card fee precisely to help out with this type of thing, Chase should be helping them deal with Best Buy if Best Buy doesn't immediately take care of it without charging them to do so. This is the thing the credit card is for.
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If Best Buy shipped this without a confirmation email, then it could be tagged incorrectly in their database. Returning poo poo that's not in their systems is a real pain in the rear end. I had to struggle for half a hour over a $150 smartwatch that I had a receipt for with an extended warranty that wasn't in their system. Trying that with a $2k iMac would suck. And this is the same Best Buy that'd take electronic returns, not check the box, and sell people packages full of bricks and say "LOL, should have checked it before you left". I'd not take the risk and make them fully responsible for handling the return. If there's no sales receipt then it sounds like it could fall under unordered merchandise protections, which makes Best Buy 100% responsible for it's return.
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Dec 9, 2016 22:49
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Tamba posted:Is the best strategy just not playing any games and letting probability do the rest? If they're judging based on total sure, if they're judging based on "amount won" not counting the initial amount then probably not.
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ate all the Oreos posted:If they're judging based on total sure, if they're judging based on "amount won" not counting the initial amount then probably not. The machines are set to a special play money mode where they have a large positive EV and hit lots of multiplier wins and jackpots so playing as fast as possible is the correct strategy.
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BEHOLD: MY CAPE posted:The machines are set to a special play money mode where they have a large positive EV and hit lots of multiplier wins and jackpots so playing as fast as possible is the correct strategy. Oh so it's like videogame slot machines where you actually win, that could be Actual Fun
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Also, even if the EV was negative as it normally is, not playing might mean you do better than average but still worse than the best (luckiest) player.
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ohgodwhat posted:Also, even if the EV was negative as it normally is, not playing might mean you do better than average but still worse than the best (luckiest) player. If it were just one round sure but if they're all mashing the button as fast as they can it becomes a geometric distribution that converges towards zero e: Well not really a geometric distribution since the probability that you will finish with more than you started with changes each time but it still converges towards zero so if you're just playing against like 10 other people it's probably still a good bet to just not play. Shame Boy fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Dec 10, 2016 |
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slottournaments.com posted:Below are some quick points to keep in mind when preparing to play a slot tournament.
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Casino probably saw which machines are near some high payouts and used those. Voila! Jackpots for fake payouts and not real money.
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George H.W. oval office posted:Casino probably saw which machines are near some high payouts and used those. Voila! Jackpots for fake payouts and not real money. Not sure if you're joking here...
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If you're going to gamble on some purely random bullshit then at least do something rad like Sigma Derby. Now there's a game that would do well for some high stakes excitement. It's too bad that I think the only still-existing tables run on just a few quarters.
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There's always russian roulette as well. Everyone should try that.
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