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Theta Zero
Dec 22, 2014

I've seen it.


I just finished my placements and it slapped me pretty close to Master. All I gotta do now is win 2-ish games and then I get to never touch comp for forever.

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LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh
You'll decay though!

Theta Zero
Dec 22, 2014

I've seen it.
It only remembers my high, and I'm pretty sure it also just calculates your high for subsequent placement matches for a new season, so eh.

I mean I did that last season and I just told people I stopped caring. Which I did.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
Three things for people wanting to play comp or rise:

This game is won and lost on ult combos. Zarya/Mei + most any offense or aoe ult is a point clearing powerhouse, and knowing your supports ult status can tell you whether to dive all in or not.

Know when to fall back and regroup, or even suicide to keep from giving the enemy ult charge. When attacking, spawn waves are incredibly important, and if you die way later than your teammates because you solo flanked or poked you're putting them at a big disadvantage on the next fight. If defending, obviously stay on the point as long as possible unless you're on a cart map, where it's not worth dying unless the cart is near the checkpoints or going for distance at the end of a round.

Both of these concepts (ult combos and grouping up) are much easier managed through voice chat, but at the bare minimum use the emotes for ult charge reporting and "group up". These are obvious concepts, but teams that coordinate them will beat teams that don't almost 100% of the time.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

Tzen posted:

This is very true. As a D.Va main, anytime I come up against a good Reaper I'll know it immediately. I'll then just avoid him like the plague. Simliar to how I treated Zarya last patch. Or, wait for opportune times to take'em out.

I play a lot of D.Va myself and even since the latest patch Reaper is a big ol' "???????????" in terms of whether I want to engage him or not. Yes, I can defense matrix his shotgun blasts until he has to reload but A). doing so means I'm pretty much out of matrix and B). this assumes his team won't show up during our staring contest and now I'm taking fire from multiple sides. On more than one occasion me and a Reaper have squared off, done fuckall to one another, and then both peace out because we've got other, better things to do.

Those are the instances when I see the Reaper coming. On those times when I don't, and especially those times when I've already taken a hit or two, suddenly coming face to face with a Reaper that understands that my defense matrix has a point-blank deadzone and/or one who's coordinating with the team Zenyatta end a lot less amicably for me. Whatever the current state of pro meta picks is, I still don't look at Reaper as D.Va and think to myself "yeah I totally want to rush that guy and have a damage race" because if I miscalculate, if he turns out to be better at point-blank juking than I am at tracking, then I've basically fed my mech to that guy and probably left myself open to get 1HKO'd by a shotgun to the face. I feel a lot better dealing with Reaper by way of having a buddy with me who I can protect with my defense matrix and let them shoot at the edgelord, and then if they decide to wraith out that's when I'll turn the boosters on and go chase him down to finish him off.

TheRationalRedditor
Jul 17, 2000

WHO ABUSED HIM. WHO ABUSED THE BOY.

Caeks posted:

Oh yeah, most definitely. However, in that same game, we had a 13 year old kid playing. Raging I can deal with - someone using a bunch of racial and homophobic slurs? That sets me off. I shouldn't have responded to her and just muted her, but out of my inability to hold back in telling someone they are ignorant, I felt the need to.

And although you can mute them from talking, you can't stop them from trolling the whole match in a fit of rage, unfortunately.
lmao "heroic gamer nobly lectures female preteen scoundrel at own expense"

qkkl
Jul 1, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
I've been playing multiplayer games for over a decade, and the Ana ult nerf is the first time I've ever seen a nerf to a character actually improve their position in the meta, since it made Reaper not good anymore, which made tanks even better, which made Ana's heal even more useful.

Verranicus
Aug 18, 2009

by VideoGames
Playing Torb in comp is still fun.

TheresaJayne
Jul 1, 2011
I was playing some quickmatch yesterday, total shambles...

Hollywood - I am on attack and they put a torb turret on the moving platform, - I am trying to take it out with lucio then I switch to junkrat - Soldier, hanzo and genji all on the map - no one is taking out the turret they are all getting in little fights at the choke all match.

Hanamura - I am on attack again they put a torb turret on the roof of the hut on the left - no luck getting that down either.
switch to attack - I go Torb and put the turret there - we win hands down - both teams are as useless as each other.

Pyzza Rouge
Jun 25, 2011

La Mano de Dios

Sombra's a great way to tell if your team are unrepentant cowards.

*pick Zen and Widow, warp back* Team's behind a wall waiting for defensive matrix so they can shoot a Reinhardt shield from a billion miles away

Tzen
Sep 11, 2001

TheresaJayne posted:

I was playing some quickmatch yesterday, total shambles...
I love those games where I know my team is poo poo, and then I go and see that the other team is JUST as bad. I usually just hope for a win but take the EXP and forget about it.

And to continue on the subject of total shamble teams,

Just finished playing a comp round where my team routinely told me to stay back, as D.Va, during our engagements. So you want Roadhog to solo tank while I play a support / long distance dps role? Okay. Oh, you don't want me to defense matrix? You are yelling at me to get behind Junkrat and Roadhog? What the gently caress is wrong with you lot??? I tried to reason but eventually ignored them and spammed for them to group of with me. After a few lost rounds they eventually did and we pulled off a victory. Just another example of one bad team going up against an even worse team.

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

Just had a game on Route 66 in which half of my team questioned the need for tanks to escort the payload, because dude we just need to attack really hard. I Dva'ed the poor bastards to victory mostly because the red team was even dumber. One day I put a video in the try hard thread as I swear I am mechanically as tactically quite a bit better then the silvers I have to deal with and still can't get out of this hell..

Good Will Hrunting
Oct 8, 2012

I changed my mind.
I'm not sorry.
Start - 1517
Lost - 1498
Win - 1527
Lost - 1507
Lost - 1493
Lost - 1461
Lost - 1435
Win - 1466
Lost - 1450
Win - 1483
Lost - 1459
Lost - 1443

I think I'm done until next season.

Help Im Alive
Nov 8, 2009

I got the game at launch and haven't touched competitive mode because every post makes it sound extremely unfun

TheKingofSprings
Oct 9, 2012
I have a friend who only wants to comp that we can't group with because two of us are diamond and they're placed in mid silver. When we recommend doing quickplay that friend will just say "nah man, I want to play comp" and leave the group to go do that instead. They only play McCree, Reaper and Tracer, because they are "bad" at tank and support.

I'm sharing this in the hope someone can interpret it because it's the most :psyduck: thing to me.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



if you've played qp recently, it's that with an added currency and bo5 koth maps

that's it really. if you don't care about your rank, you probably won't place high enough to match against people who do. salt is universal; I've not seen more angry people in one game mode than the other

Ehud
Sep 19, 2003

football.

TheKingofSprings posted:

They only play McCree, Reaper and Tracer, because they are "bad" at tank and DPS.

Did you mean "support" rather than "DPS"?

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





QP games are a complete crapshoot. Sometimes they are awful, sometimes they are decent. In Comp, the average quality of games is higher because people are generally on the same page: put in some effort to win.

If you just want to get high and zoom around the map on Tracer, QP is the place.
If you enjoy hard-fought games and want to try to play at a "higher" level on average, join Comp.

That's really all there is to it.

Good Will Hrunting
Oct 8, 2012

I changed my mind.
I'm not sorry.
I was pretty close to a .500 win percentage in seasons one and two. I'm not even at .250 this season.

Star
Jul 15, 2005

Guerilla war struggle is a new entertainment.
Fallen Rib

Good Will Hrunting posted:

Start - 1517
Lost - 1498
Win - 1527
Lost - 1507
Lost - 1493
Lost - 1461
Lost - 1435
Win - 1466
Lost - 1450
Win - 1483
Lost - 1459
Lost - 1443

I think I'm done until next season.

You're only down 70 points and streaks will happen statistically.

Attack on Princess
Dec 15, 2008

To yolo rolls! The cause and solution to all problems!
I get unreasonably worked up about people treating comp like it's that much different from QP.

There's no entry free and there's nothing you stand to lose. The differences are a longer match format, less leavers and golden guns. And the golden guns don't raise the stakes because everyone eventually gets them no matter where on the ladder they are.

Play the format you prefer and heroes you enjoy.

Slowpoke!
Feb 12, 2008

ANIME IS FOR ADULTS
Comp mode there is better team composition, at least in my experience. Everyone goes at least two tanks and two healers. QP is usually 4 DPS, 1 tank and 1 healer. I've had some rounds with no healer and still won.

SuccinctAndPunchy
Mar 29, 2013

People are supposed to get hurt by things. It's fucked up to not. It's not good for you.

Star posted:

You're only down 70 points and streaks will happen statistically.

Yeah and 70 points in OW is like what, three losses? That's not even a particularly large loss streak, it's well within acceptable variance.

i kind of wish every competitive ranked ladder type game like League/Dota and this included some sort of basic statistic lessons because it helps to alleviate stress if you are aware of these things

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh

Donnerberg posted:

There's no entry free and there's nothing you stand to lose.
Except you stand to lose SR. you might say "that's silly" but a lot of people do care a lot about it!

Attack on Princess
Dec 15, 2008

To yolo rolls! The cause and solution to all problems!

IronicDongz posted:

Except you stand to lose SR. you might say "that's silly" but a lot of people do care a lot about it!

Okay, good point. You lose rank in QP too, but I suppose the people who like seeing a number go up don't worry as much about it when it's hidden.

SuccinctAndPunchy
Mar 29, 2013

People are supposed to get hurt by things. It's fucked up to not. It's not good for you.
just won a ranked game because I was able to communicate to my team "When we reach arches, I'm going to use speed boost and we're all gonna run up the left side.". And sure enough, they followed suit and we crushed it on offense for a win despite me being the only healer in Lucio, a conventionally bad comp.

voice chat rules, this thread hath sold me.

Sashimi
Dec 26, 2008


College Slice

Slowpoke! posted:

Comp mode there is better team composition, at least in my experience. Everyone goes at least two tanks and two healers. QP is usually 4 DPS, 1 tank and 1 healer. I've had some rounds with no healer and still won.
More often than not yes, but once in a while you'll still get a game like I had a few nights ago where you wind up solo healing 5 DPS on a KOTH map. Still managed to win that because your team doesn't have to be good, it just has to be not worse than the other team... at least in gold.

Verranicus
Aug 18, 2009

by VideoGames
The worst thing about playing anything other than Reinhardt, 76, Mercy, Lucio and the other "meta" picks is that even if you do amazing, even if you have every gold and led to awesome plays and got POTG and were the only one on your team to get a card at the end.. nobody will admit you did well. They need to find some reason that they lost that isn't them, and it's easiest to focus in on that.

Dietrich
Sep 11, 2001

I really dont understand the new placement system. I finished last season at 2300 or so, went 6-2-2 in placements, and was put at 2050.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna

Dietrich posted:

I really dont understand the new placement system. I finished last season at 2300 or so, went 6-2-2 in placements, and was put at 2050.

What is there to understand? They normalized everyone downward.

Thor-Stryker
Nov 11, 2005

Bottom Liner posted:

What is there to understand? They normalized everyone downward.

I was normalized upwards thankfully. Grinding up to 60 from 50 for two seasons in a row and they finally just place me at 3000.

It feels as if a Win-Streak in placement matches really vaults you upwards. This season (compared to the last two,) I won four in a row but only won 7/10 overall vs my last two's 6/10wins.

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh
It's mostly that if you were below the middle you got bumped down, if you were above the middle you got bumped up.

widening the bell curve etc

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

Good Will Hrunting posted:

Start - 1517
Lost - 1498
Win - 1527
Lost - 1507
Lost - 1493
Lost - 1461
Lost - 1435
Win - 1466
Lost - 1450
Win - 1483
Lost - 1459
Lost - 1443

I think I'm done until next season.

Don't get so discouraged. I lost 62 points yesterday going up and down, both with my stack and in solo queue comp. It happens :) Play to get better, not just to always win.

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.
I wish there was like a Pharah bot in the training center because when you're on a team when no one, including you, can shoot Pharah down, and you know the Pharah on the other end because it's a preferred player who you have dozens of matches with and know they are not as good with other characters as they are Pharah whom they legit carry as if not countered, it's a really sad, inevitable loss.

TheRationalRedditor
Jul 17, 2000

WHO ABUSED HIM. WHO ABUSED THE BOY.
Solution: Train to shoot Pharah down, one of the easiest things to do as a hitscan DPS

Ragequit
Jun 1, 2006


Lipstick Apathy

Bottom Liner posted:

:lol: That terrible sensitivity is probably a big reason why you're not higher. Try for 10-12 inches for much better aiming. Also, use your arm to move your mouse, not your wrist. Lift your lazy arm off the desk and sit up with good posture.

Yeah naw.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



if you don't trust yourself to hit an airborne pharah, go zen. discord will make any pharah either play much more conservatively, or else very much dead

Nick Biped
May 22, 2004

In the wrong hands, the stapler is a deadly weapon.

Last season, I was placed at around 2190 after going 5-5 in placements and personally doing okay if not great in them, and the losses were generally more of a blowout than the wins. It was my first time doing Comp so whatever I got was all right. Ended up finishing the season above 2200.

This season, I went 6-4 and personally did better than last time, even if the last three matches were a shambles more-or-less. Got placed at...2147. So I guess my better play was balanced out by the general normalization of everyone downward. Fair enough. And that's my story!

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

Ragequit posted:

Yeah naw.

He's being an rear end but he's also completely correct.

Although it's worth noting that lower sensitivity doesn't so much impact your peak accuracy as it does your consistency. If you're well-rested, caffeinated, in great health, not distracted by other things, 16 years old, and you just spent half an hour warming up in practice mode then yeah a 10cm / 360 will work just fine.

But if you want to maintain that same accuracy when any or all of the things on that list aren't true then lower your sensitivity.

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Papercut
Aug 24, 2005

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

He's being an rear end but he's also completely correct.

Although it's worth noting that lower sensitivity doesn't so much impact your peak accuracy as it does your consistency. If you're well-rested, caffeinated, in great health, not distracted by other things, 16 years old, and you just spent half an hour warming up in practice mode then yeah a 10cm / 360 will work just fine.

But if you want to maintain that same accuracy when any or all of the things on that list aren't true then lower your sensitivity.

I like that, as an old man, my mouse settings have to be the equivalent of driving a Buick just for me to remain semi competent.

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