SUK ZONE: it's all a pointless exercise and you're just screaming into the void

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Anime Schoolgirl: Nov 28, 2002

GlyphGryph posted:

Also, request that "neoliberal" be word filtered to Fulchrum

also, bernie porn

# ? Dec 11, 2016 01:42

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Stexils: Jun 5, 2008

we shouldnt do the extremely simple and politically easy step of removing drug laws that 60 percent of the population wants to get rid of as the first step of reform, instead we should do absolutely nothing until we can solve all racism in policing forever in one fell swoop

# ? Dec 11, 2016 01:43

white sauce: Apr 29, 2012; by R. Guyovich

We could legalize marijuana, but would that end racism :smuggo:

# ? Dec 11, 2016 01:43

Anime Schoolgirl: Nov 28, 2002

Stexils posted:

we shouldnt do the extremely simple and politically easy step of removing drug laws that 60 percent of the population wants to get rid of as the first step of reform, instead we should do absolutely nothing until we can solve all racism in policing forever in one fell swoop

but will it end racism?

# ? Dec 11, 2016 01:43

GlyphGryph: Jun 23, 2013; Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

Stexils posted:

we can solve all racism in policing forever in one fell swoop

Yeah, but would that end racism? Homophobia? The onerous burdens placed on those who have earned their wealth?

No, it won't.

# ? Dec 11, 2016 01:45

burnishedfume: Mar 8, 2011; You really are a louse...

I was about to vote for Hillary Clinton in the general election when I suddenly realized that my vote alone could not end racism, so I just stayed home and played Pokemon Sun.

# ? Dec 11, 2016 01:45

white sauce: Apr 29, 2012; by R. Guyovich

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

but will it end racism?

In fact, there's no true way to know if any action or legislation would truly end racism, so like; why even bother.

# ? Dec 11, 2016 01:46

Zoran: Aug 19, 2008; I lost to you once, monster. I shall not lose again! Die now, that our future can live!

Fulchrum posted:

Or, more likely, until we have just eliminated the concept of police. There isn't a power or duty of the police that cannot be abused by a racist to hurt black people.

Agreed.

quote:

If we treat the badge as the problem, and not the guy wearing the badge, we won't solve the problem.

Never mind, you lost me.

I'm being serious: your insistence that racism is an individualized thing that we can simply root out on a case-by-case basis by throwing out "the bad ones" dooms your ideology to failure.

# ? Dec 11, 2016 01:51

Ace of Baes: Jul 7, 1977

Fulchrum in the 1950s: Repealing Jim Crow laws is just a band-aid for racism, Repealing them is a waste of time, we should be trying to make sure southerners stop being racist.

# ? Dec 11, 2016 01:54

Ace of Baes: Jul 7, 1977

Edit: double post

# ? Dec 11, 2016 01:54

anime was right: Jun 27, 2008; death is certain
keep yr cool

can yall argue at me or something instead of wasting your time with that dummy.

# ? Dec 11, 2016 01:57

Anime Schoolgirl: Nov 28, 2002

anime was right posted:

can yall argue at me or something instead of wasting your time with that dummy.

anime was never right

# ? Dec 11, 2016 01:57

MizPiz: May 29, 2013; by Athanatos

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

anime was never right

Sorry, Anime Schoolgirl, I just don't think you sincerely believe that. Is there any proof that you actually believe anime is blood?

# ? Dec 11, 2016 02:01

burnishedfume: Mar 8, 2011; You really are a louse...

anime was right posted:

can yall argue at me or something instead of wasting your time with that dummy.

Okay, got any bad opinions on stuff like Syria, UHC, social security, whatever?

# ? Dec 11, 2016 02:02

Anime Schoolgirl: Nov 28, 2002

MizPiz posted:

Sorry, Anime Schoolgirl, I just don't think you sincerely believe that. Is there any proof that you actually believe anime is blood?

i am in fact, not an anime schoolgirl

that's is part of my argument

# ? Dec 11, 2016 02:02

deadgoon: Dec 4, 2014; by FactsAreUseless

any amount of fulchrumism never imo

# ? Dec 11, 2016 02:05

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

GlyphGryph posted:

Also, request that "neoliberal" be word filtered to Fulchrum

lol

# ? Dec 11, 2016 02:07

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

logikv9 posted:

What was the point in that? Secret Republicans all along? Figured that they would be better off electoral-wise in the future by being a Republican?

Grondoth posted:

I desire an explanation too

All three were elected unopposed (and btw holy poo poo 58 out of 100 seats were uncontested, how great our democracy is) from districts that went Republican, and one of them gave his reasoning as 'better representing the people of the district'. But then, if the GOP has promised them untold riches for being traitor fucks and delivering the super-majority they'd hardly be admitting to it, so who the hell knows :shrug:

# ? Dec 11, 2016 02:10

Stexils: Jun 5, 2008

is there a good run-down of the syria situation somewhere, ive come to realize i dont really know anything about it

# ? Dec 11, 2016 02:10

Fidel Cuckstro: Jul 2, 2007

Stexils posted:

is there a good run-down of the syria situation somewhere, ive come to realize i dont really know anything about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9m2yReECak

# ? Dec 11, 2016 02:14

white sauce: Apr 29, 2012; by R. Guyovich

Stexils posted:

is there a good run-down of the syria situation somewhere, ive come to realize i dont really know anything about it

1. Climate change made it so the agriculture collapsed due to less rainfall
2. Farmers and their families moved to cities
3. The cities were already chock full of refugees from Syria, Iraq, Yemen (basically places that the US ravaged)
4. The collapse of society because of scarce food, shelter, and water.
5. Rise of the Islamic state

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/your-labor-day-syria-reader-part-2-william-polk/279255/

white sauce has issued a correction as of 02:21 on Dec 11, 2016

# ? Dec 11, 2016 02:17

Concerned Citizen: Jul 22, 2007; Ramrod XTreme

Tight Booty Shorts posted:

How the gently caress could anyone claim that $120k in salary for running a losing campaign isn't a large amount of money?

What world do we live in?

Because it's a billion dollar organization with thousands of employees entrusted to elect the most powerful person in the world. $120k is not that much

# ? Dec 11, 2016 02:31

Horseshoe theory: Mar 7, 2005

Concerned Citizen posted:

Because it's a billion dollar organization with thousands of employees entrusted to elect the most powerful person in the world. $120k is not that much

That's because Mook was a mark.

# ? Dec 11, 2016 02:33

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

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Concerned Citizen posted:

Because it's a billion dollar organization with thousands of employees entrusted to elect the most powerful person in the world. $120k is not that much

it is if you're a talentless hack

# ? Dec 11, 2016 02:35

etalian: Mar 20, 2006

Tight Booty Shorts posted:

1. Climate change made it so the agriculture collapsed due to less rainfall
2. Farmers and their families moved to cities
3. The cities were already chock full of refugees from Syria, Iraq, Yemen (basically places that the US ravaged)
4. The collapse of society because of scarce food, shelter, and water.
5. Rise of the Islamic state

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/your-labor-day-syria-reader-part-2-william-polk/279255/

Bernie was right that Climate change is the real long term threat to national security

# ? Dec 11, 2016 02:40

MizPiz: May 29, 2013; by Athanatos

Concerned Citizen posted:

Because it's a billion dollar organization with thousands of employees entrusted to elect the most powerful person in the world. $120k is not that much

They could have put an intern in charge of the campaign and it would've yield them better results ON TOP OF saving them $120k.

# ? Dec 11, 2016 02:47

white sauce: Apr 29, 2012; by R. Guyovich

Concerned Citizen posted:

Because it's a billion dollar organization with thousands of employees entrusted to elect the most powerful person in the world. $120k is not that much

Looks like the $120k salary was a bit of an overpayment. Whoopsie daisy!

# ? Dec 11, 2016 02:47

white sauce: Apr 29, 2012; by R. Guyovich

Jeb! Repetition posted:

Why am I not surprised Concerned Citizen was a HFA loser.

# ? Dec 11, 2016 02:52

Vincent Van Goatse: Nov 8, 2006; Enjoy every sandwich.; Smellrose

Fidel Cuckstro posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9m2yReECak

No.

# ? Dec 11, 2016 02:53

Vincent Van Goatse: Nov 8, 2006; Enjoy every sandwich.; Smellrose

Adam Curtis, in one of his absurdly reductionist and obsessively monocausal documentaries, insisted that Al Queda never existed.

# ? Dec 11, 2016 02:53

Vincent Van Goatse: Nov 8, 2006; Enjoy every sandwich.; Smellrose

Adam Curtis documentaries are the definition of pareidolia.

# ? Dec 11, 2016 02:54

Vincent Van Goatse: Nov 8, 2006; Enjoy every sandwich.; Smellrose

And I want an extra biscuit with my order, thanks.

# ? Dec 11, 2016 02:55

white sauce: Apr 29, 2012; by R. Guyovich

etalian posted:

Bernie was right that Climate change is the real long term threat to national security

Yup.

Maybe Trump realizes it too and is preventively trying to stop refugees from flooding in our country. Who knows :tinfoil:

# ? Dec 11, 2016 02:56

Vincent Van Goatse: Nov 8, 2006; Enjoy every sandwich.; Smellrose

Fulchrum posted:

If we treat the badge as the problem, and not the guy wearing the badge, we won't solve the problem.

This is both true and completely unhelpful.

# ? Dec 11, 2016 03:02

white sauce: Apr 29, 2012; by R. Guyovich

quote:

Glenn Thrush interviews Hillary Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook in this week�s �Off Message� podcast. Mook tells Thrush the American people will have to observe Hillary as president before fully trusting her

Someone get this guy $120k stat!

# ? Dec 11, 2016 03:02

Arkhams Razor: Jun 10, 2009

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/10/us/democrats-economy-working-class.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur

NYT posted:

WASHINGTON � It was a blunt, plain-spoken set of senators who gathered last Monday at the Washington home of Senator Heidi Heitkamp, Democrat of North Dakota, dining on Chinese food as they vented frustration about the missteps of the Democratic Party.

To this decidedly centrist group, the 2016 election was nothing short of a fiasco: final proof that its national party had grown indifferent to the rural, more conservative areas represented by Democrats like Joe Manchin of West Virginia, Claire McCaskill of Missouri, Joe Donnelly of Indiana and Jon Tester of Montana, who attended the dinner. All face difficult re-election races in 2018.

The party, these senators said, had grown overly fixated on cultural issues with limited appeal to the heartland. They criticized Hillary Clinton�s campaign slogan, �Stronger Together,� as flat and opaque, according to multiple people present at the dinner, some of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity.

Most of all, they lamented, Democrats had simply failed to offer a clarion message about the economy with appeal to all 50 states.

�Why did the working people, who have always been our base, turn away?� Mr. Manchin said in an interview, recounting the tenor of the dinner conversation.

Moderate Democrats are not alone in their sense of urgency about honing a new economic message. After a stinging loss to Donald J. Trump, liberals in the party are also trying to figure out how to tap into the populist unrest that convulsed both parties in 2016. Only by making pocketbook issues the central focus, they say, can Democrats recover in the 2018 midterm elections and unseat Mr. Trump in 2020.

�We need to double down and double down again on the importance of building an economy not just for those at the top, but for everyone,� said Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, a high-profile progressive who is seen as a leading potential opponent for Mr. Trump.

This pocketbook-centered approach offers an added benefit in the minds of Democratic strategists: It papers over the party�s differences on how much to focus on cultural issues.

There is little appetite among most Democrats to substantively revise their stances on issues like abortion, gay rights, gun control and immigration, where trends on the national level continue to favor the party. By constructing a platform focused on an overarching theme of economic fairness, Democrats are hoping to avoid yoking their candidates to a more divisive agenda that could sink them in states like North Dakota and West Virginia, which are crucial to control of the Senate.

This is markedly different from the approach that party leaders have taken over the last eight years, when President Obama defined the party from top to bottom with his personality and policies. Instead, Democrats intend to focus on a sparer agenda of bread-and-butter priorities that can win support from both liberal and moderate officeholders � and appeal to voters just as much in red states as along the two coasts.

Beyond that, they expect wide variance in how officeholders handle Mr. Trump and his agenda, from moderates who seek out accommodation to blue-state leaders who pursue total war. Their emerging message is likely to focus on protecting Medicare and Social Security, attacking income inequality and political corruption, and blocking legislation that might restrict access to health care.

The first salvo in the fight will be over Mr. Trump�s pick of Representative Tom Price of Georgia, a vocal supporter of privatizing Medicare, as secretary of health and human services: The Democrats at Ms. Heitkamp�s dinner discussed how to highlight and, potentially, block Mr. Price�s appointment, according to an attendee.

Many Democrats, especially those from the party�s more liberal wing, see significant reasons for optimism about their political prospects in the medium and long terms. Though Mr. Trump prevailed in the Electoral College, he did so thanks to the slimmest of margins in three states � Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin � and he lost the popular vote nationally by nearly three million votes.

With the country growing more urban and racially diverse, Democrats like their chances in the 2020 presidential race, when nonwhite voters are likely to make up more than 30 percent of the electorate for the first time in history. Even in Mrs. Clinton�s defeat, the country�s changing hue helped her come closer than any Democrat in decades to flipping Arizona and Georgia, two traditional Republican bastions.

But before the next presidential race, Democrats must navigate a treacherous landscape of midterm elections. They must defend 10 Senate seats in states Mr. Trump won, many of them in the Rust Belt and the West. And unless they break the Republican lock on state governments by winning governorships in a handful of big states, like Wisconsin and Ohio, they may be unable to prevent Republicans from continuing to draw congressional maps that favor their candidates.

Representative Hakeem Jeffries of New York, a new member of the Democratic leadership team in the House, said he considered Mr. Trump an �Electoral College president� and cautioned Democrats not to overreact to his victory. But Mr. Jeffries agreed that Democrats must court �blue-collar voters we lost, without abandoning our core constituencies and principles that made up the Obama coalition.��

�We will not take back the majority,� Mr. Jeffries said, �unless we have a big-tent approach.�

At a meeting of House Democrats this past week, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. said the party did not have to move away from its liberal values or cease to be a party that �welcomes those who seem to have been left behind for a long time.�

But for Democrats to represent themselves as a �party of working people,� Representative Dan Kildee of Michigan, who is weighing a bid for governor in 2018, said they would have to reorganize their message around issues that are �fundamental to economic security,� and await opportunities to exploit Mr. Trump�s shortcomings.

Evidence of a narrower, more tightly focused Democratic agenda was on display this past week at a Capitol Hill news conference, where a range of Democrats spoke beside scrubs-clad nurses and older voters holding up signs that read: �It�s not wise to privatize.�

Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the incoming Democratic Senate leader, warned gravely that Republicans were �gearing up for a war on seniors.� Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, echoing the economic themes that propelled his White House bid and first drew Democratic attention to the potency of populism this year, vowed, �We are not going to allow the billionaire class or Trump or anybody else to cut the programs that the elderly, the disabled and disabled vets absolutely depend upon.�

This effort to defend popular government programs appeals to all elements of the party and offers the promise of winning back some of the older white voters it has lost in recent elections. And it recalls the strategy Democrats turned to the last time they were trying to reclaim control of Congress when Republicans had full control of the government, and the left was united in opposition to President George W. Bush�s attempted Social Security overhaul.

Still, the Democrats� fortunes may rest chiefly with Mr. Trump. If he shuns the lawmakers in his own party who want to overhaul entitlements such as Medicare and governs more as a populist than as a free-market conservative, it could complicate the Democratic comeback strategy.

Outside Washington, some party leaders plan on taking the fight to Mr. Trump more immediately. Progressives in blue-state capitals appear primed to take a more combative approach, attacking Mr. Trump and obstructing him on issues important to liberal voters.

These Democrats have already pledged to put up a front of resistance to Mr. Trump�s policies, much as Republican governors and attorneys general did against Mr. Obama. Representative Xavier Becerra, who has been appointed the new attorney general of California, said leaders in the states would hold the line on policy where Democrats in Washington could not.

�Our role will principally be to defend the progress we have made in recent years,� Mr. Becerra said.

He pointed to a resolution the California State Legislature passed stating that �California stands unified in rejecting the politics of hatred and exclusion� and demanding that Mr. Trump �not pursue mass deportation strategies that needlessly tear families apart, or target immigrants for deportation based on vague and unjustified criteria.�

At a retreat for Democratic governors in New Orleans last weekend, Gov. Jay Inslee of Washington argued forcefully that governors should send a message to the White House on health care, among other issues.

�There is so much threatened in my state,� Mr. Inslee said in an interview. �We will be engaged vigorously in making sure that the public understands what�s going on and how damaging it can be.�

But even liberals believe Democrats must work harder to compete for voters who lean to the right, if only to shave a few points off the Republican Party�s margin of victory in rural America. In some cases, they said, that may mean embracing candidates who hold wildly different views from the national party on certain core priorities.

Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia, Mrs. Clinton�s running mate, said Democrats did not have to choose between supporting liberal policies and competing for conservative votes. But he seemed to imply that Democrats had made a mistake in 2016 by not working harder to win over skeptical voters.

�In the presidential race, where there�s just a much bigger playing field, there�s a tendency to say, �Well, I�m only going to get 35 percent, so I�m not going to go there,�� Mr. Kaine said. �Well, the difference between 35 and 25 is big.�

Maybe the Democrats have actually learned something, if only out of necessity.

# ? Dec 11, 2016 03:02

Anime Schoolgirl: Nov 28, 2002

Arkhams Razor posted:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/10/us/democrats-economy-working-class.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur

Maybe the Democrats have actually learned something, if only out of necessity.

you'd think but then 2008 happened and then they shoved their thumbs up their asses because Democrats Won Seats by hiring quislings that undermined any effective legislation

# ? Dec 11, 2016 03:04

crazy cloud: Nov 7, 2012; by Cyrano4747; Lipstick Apathy

DrProsek posted:

I was about to vote for Hillary Clinton in the general election when I suddenly realized that my vote alone could not end racism, so I just stayed home and played Pokemon Sun.

mods?!?!?!?

# ? Dec 11, 2016 03:18

Serf: May 5, 2011

Concerned Citizen posted:

Because it's a billion dollar organization with thousands of employees entrusted to elect the most powerful person in the world. $120k is not that much

120k is like twice the average American income lol

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GlyphGryph: Jun 23, 2013; Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

Arkhams Razor posted:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/10/us/democrats-economy-working-class.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur

Maybe the Democrats have actually learned something, if only out of necessity.

Despite the attempts of the Fulchrums of the party to claim the "centrist" and "moderate" labels, they have never been anything of the sort, and we assuredly have more in common with the actual centrists and moderates and various less ideologically oriented folks than we do with the third wayer's and their perverted solutions.

Which isn't to say their staunch allies, but at least they have a handful of genuine shared interests most of the time, like "not completely loving over their constituents"

Just good to remember that their thinking is ultimately going to be limited, local, and self-serving, so it's kind of sad that it's a step up from the third-wayers.

# ? Dec 11, 2016 03:21

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