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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:Did the ussr do anything wrong. i saw this before the edit. yes. but who cares. i'm more interested in what they did right and applying those lessons to the present day
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:Did the ussr do anything wrong. They didn't shoot the revisionist Khrushchev when they had the chance.
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:Did the ussr do anything wrong. gosplan 
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DrProsek posted:Also he was a Khmer Rouge apologist during all the mass killings and whatnot. no that's ok
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DrProsek posted:Also he was a Khmer Rouge apologist during all the mass killings and whatnot. so was the United States government, and for years after they were overthrown
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non meme post: anyone have any advice for building a good unified left coalition across party lines? i'm extremely tired of old leftists bringing their old bullshit group drama with them and i want them to just follow the lead of the young people who have a chance of making somethign of this poo poo...
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jarofpiss: join your local socialist org and try to keep from starting any drama, be a presentable and accessible face, don't start poo poo, be respectful of other organization's time but try to work with them when you can. Don't assume that there's a political ideology left of Giuliani that you can make fun of without offending someone, even if it's obvious. Almost everyone in my DSA local is ~35 or below and doesn't seem to have too much drama, maybe try them? The DSA gets a reputation for treating socialism like the good thoughts peter pan needs to fly, but that reputation also allows it hold a larger tent than, say, the ISO.
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Baloogan posted:Yes, Marxist Hero Hillary Clinton. In Russia, they call her Comrade Hillary.
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jarofpiss posted:non meme post: anyone have any advice for building a good unified left coalition across party lines? i'm extremely tired of old leftists bringing their old bullshit group drama with them and i want them to just follow the lead of the young people who have a chance of making somethign of this poo poo... if you're looking to join up with an organization and never done organizing before, in my opinion there are two key qualities that make a good organization: 1. they are a fighting organization, and 2. they are mass-based. fighting organizations do Real Work, struggling with systems to get people what they need. mass based organizations bring people in and then keep them around, developing their capacity to work and organize over a long period of time. If all you really have around is a fancy book club - which is, if we are honest, what many "socialist in name" organizations amount to - then you will not have a good time. also don't be ageist jeez the best commie i know is like 70 years old
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Darkman Fanpage posted:what's wrong with chompsky? Here's a good essay discussing this
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Aeolius posted:Here's a good essay discussing this How much of this goes hand in hand with anarchism vs Marxism?
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Hmm a certain socialist paradise sent a female officer to talk to Soviet officers, did not work out that well for her #IdentityPolitics?
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Rated PG-34 posted:How much of this goes hand in hand with anarchism vs Marxism? Not much that I can recall. Certainly not on the analytical end, since the main line drawn there pertains to whether analysis stops before it hits class, and that's not really a bone of contention between Marxists and anarchists. In the later sections maybe there's an echo of it, but it's not an explicit framing, if memory serves.
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Rated PG-34 posted:How much of this goes hand in hand with anarchism vs Marxism? Uhhm, part 3 section here https://lorenzoae.wordpress.com/2016/05/31/part-3/ Its an alright read as a whole, thanks thread. Deimus fucked around with this message at 12:19 on Dec 11, 2016 |
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Impermanent posted:jarofpiss: join your local socialist org and try to keep from starting any drama, be a presentable and accessible face, don't start poo poo, be respectful of other organization's time but try to work with them when you can. Don't assume that there's a political ideology left of Giuliani that you can make fun of without offending someone, even if it's obvious. Almost everyone in my DSA local is ~35 or below and doesn't seem to have too much drama, maybe try them? The DSA gets a reputation for treating socialism like the good thoughts peter pan needs to fly, but that reputation also allows it hold a larger tent than, say, the ISO. i'm in my dsa chapter but do you guys have issues in your cities with other left orgs trying to poach members from each other? seems like there was a history of that here and so old people get hung up on working with other groups. Impermanent posted:jarofpiss: join your local socialist org and try to keep from starting any drama, be a presentable and accessible face, don't start poo poo, be respectful of other organization's time but try to work with them when you can. Don't assume that there's a political ideology left of Giuliani that you can make fun of without offending someone, even if it's obvious. Almost everyone in my DSA local is ~35 or below and doesn't seem to have too much drama, maybe try them? The DSA gets a reputation for treating socialism like the good thoughts peter pan needs to fly, but that reputation also allows it hold a larger tent than, say, the ISO. dsa seems to have a good setup for being that kind of mass organization but we definitely have a few older members that have their eyes bug out when things get too left for them
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Aeolius posted:Here's a good essay discussing this What a meandering defense of conspiracy theorizing.
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Ice Cream Barbara posted:*gesturing* my god Sniff Nose touch Sniff Nasal lecture Havin a cold is zizek simulator 2016
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Sniff 
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:What a meandering defense of conspiracy theorizing. on the other hand, an admirably terse dog-bites-man post edit: apropos of nothing i found this thing 
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Aeolius posted:on the other hand, an admirably terse dog-bites-man post Do you not think it a little strange that the author chose to lead with an example where Chomsky was obviously correct? There's no evidence the guy was murdered.
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it's not airtight, but I'm not sure how it's "strange," considering the broader discussion. what example would you have chosen in its place?
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it's jack of hearts' general mo to read the first paragraph or two of something then base his opinion of the whole thing on that so i wouldn't worry about it too much
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in that case, more images
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Aeolius posted:in that case, more images lol jokes on you, the roach's got some gnarly bacteria and that chicken is gonna fuckin die
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Phi230 posted:lol jokes on you, the roach's got some gnarly bacteria and that chicken is gonna fuckin die TrumpPresidency.txt
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Homework Explainer posted:it's jack of hearts' general mo to read the first paragraph or two of something then base his opinion of the whole thing on that so i wouldn't worry about it too much You've claimed that about me about a half dozen times now, even though I've given you ample evidence that it isn't true. Stating for a fact something that you know to be untrue is your MO, though, ain't it?
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Aeolius posted:it's not airtight, but I'm not sure how it's "strange," considering the broader discussion. what example would you have chosen in its place? Well, I don't think I agree with the thesis, so that's hard to say. Chomsky says "don't waste your time speculating that maybe the powers that be killed a guy in the absence of any evidence to support the claim." That seems so eminently sensible that it's completely bizarre to me to lead off with it as part of a section on how Chomsky is too dismissive of conspiracy theories. He leads with that, then he ends with this: quote:Ultimately, the average conspiracy theorist has a better grasp of how the world works than the average liberal. Even the most outlandish “conspiracy theory” in existence—that people like George W. Bush and Queen Elizabeth are shape-shifting, extra-dimensional reptilians—is closer to the truth than what liberals believe. The reality is that the ruling class and its public servants really do have a parasitic and predatory relationship to the vast majority of humanity; if anyone should be laughed at and publicly excoriated for their wacky ideas, it’s those who think Hillary is su abuela and Barack Obama is a nice guy who would enjoy hanging out with them. Well, OK then.
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