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I don't think "all the fish in the ocean will die" is the literal fear, but there could be a tipping point which shifts the oceans from the current ecosystem to jellyfish everywhere.
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Squalid posted:Imagine if your parents or grandparents had taken this position given the probability of Thermonuclear war during their life times. I don't know, the lesson there was that people shouldn't have worried because it was all self-inflicted. The ecological degradation we're facing is much more certain.
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AceOfFlames posted:That would have been perfect. Means I wouldn't be here to deal with this crap.
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Ravenfood posted:You should probably go see a therapist, dude. Have been for almost two years. Not doing much. Going to switch to a different one.
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Dec 11, 2016 23:50
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AceOfFlames posted:Have been for almost two years. Not doing much. Going to switch to a different one. Go into science, humanity in general and your kin will need good solutions for making the best of the future what ever it brings. To resign oneself to total nihilism because the heat death of the universe is seemingly inevitable serves nobody and you are better spent being useful for handling the future in the best way possible.
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I'm in aerospace >.< I dont even like it that much but now I am stuck (my degree was more like a bunch of intro classes of various engineering branches strung together with a joke of a thesis at the end). What I would really like to do is software but at 29 it might be way too late.
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Warming also lowers oxygen levels in the oceans in a number of ways. Oxygen is less soluble in warmer water. When surface water gets hotter, the water column becomes more stratified, decreasing mixing. Currents that bring oxygenated water to the equator are also weakened as the poles warm. On top of all this, metabolic rates of ectothermic life (a large portion of ocean organisms) are temperature dependent, so warmer water will increase the oxygen they consume.
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AceOfFlames posted:I'm in aerospace >.< I dont even like it that much but now I am stuck. What I would really like to do is software but at 29 it might be way too late. No way. Tech is absolutely riddled with late learning coders making more money than makes any sense in the world. Source: I'm one of them.
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Dec 12, 2016 01:00
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TildeATH posted:Source: I'm one of them. Ditto. If it's something you want to do then go for it. 29 isn't even close to being too late for that kind of change, assuming you're willing to put in the effort to learn.
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Dec 12, 2016 01:02
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I majored in English and focused on rhetoric and composition. I'm loving useless in fighting this poo poo off, aren't I?
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Dec 12, 2016 01:23
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Star Man posted:I majored in English and focused on rhetoric and composition. I'm loving useless in fighting this poo poo off, aren't I? Join the public debate with those skills, or help to make good media that influence the public opinion. Nobody can do everything and science is but one part in tackling the problem. The strength in humans is that people with varying skillsets can work together after all.
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Star Man posted:I majored in English and focused on rhetoric and composition. I'm loving useless in fighting this poo poo off, aren't I? I've got a degree in physics and nothing but experience in the auto industry. The best thing I've got going is an attempt to get into office on a platform of long-term mitigation planning. Trying anything puts you in the positive ledger imo
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I've done nothing but software development for my professional career. My major is Accounting. "Too late" is not an excuse and neither is "no education".
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Dec 12, 2016 01:54
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Star Man posted:I majored in English and focused on rhetoric and composition. I'm loving useless in fighting this poo poo off, aren't I? We could do with, for instance, climatology science fiction that isn't loving The Day After Tomorrow.
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Arglebargle III posted:The bears are attacking! It's okay. We've got our "best" people working on saving us.
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AceOfFlames posted:See, I never understood why that is supposed to be comforting. "Oh humans will be gone but other animals will show up!" Who cares? These animals arent sentient. They wont have the capacity for art, for love, for empathy, for creativity. Who care if a beautiful world is reborn if there is nothing intelligent left to see it? With enough time, evolution will bring more intelligent life.
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AceOfFlames posted:So I am just supposed to pretend nothing is happening? Form attachments to people who will die horribly or will have to protect? Make a career knowing that it will all turn to dust? I keep hearing about how you're supposed to love the process of what you do but I only ever manage to care about results. Why make something that will not last? Why strive for a brief moment of happiness if it comes with thousands more moments of pain? Essentially, the more I look at how events in the world are going and my own (and others') instinctive reactions to them, the more I become convinced that classical Stoicism is one of the only solid rational approaches to it all. Do what you can to make the world a better place but don't allow your happiness to be contingent on the outcome.
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ghostwritingduck posted:With enough time, evolution will bring more intelligent life. Actually we have had more intelligent life. Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens are two different species. We share a common ancestor but they quite distinct from humans. The likely hood though of another species evolving into a "intelligent" life as we know it is pretty low. Otherwise there would be more species of intelligent life like neanderthals and humans found in archaeology. I think the best way I heard it was " in 500 million years we've had one dominant species evolve" there is another 500 million years before the Earth is no longer sustainable to life because of the way the Sun ages and expands. We're probably it. Technologically though we can in fact overcome Climate Change because we can build self contained Arcologies most likely. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Dec 12, 2016 |
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ghostwritingduck posted:With enough time, evolution will bring more intelligent life. It looks increasingly likely that the reason for fermi's paradox is that intelligent life that reaches tech levels approximate to our own is either A) Fantastically unlikely B) Always burns itself out C) Physically exploring or communicating past one's own star system is simply unfeasible And B poisons the well for further A from the same source, as they consume available fossil fuels and rare earths.
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Hollismason posted:Actually we have had more intelligent life. Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens are two different species. We share a common ancestor but they quite distinct from humans. First off humans aren't going to go extinct, second 500 million years ago animals had barely evolved hard structures, nothing lived on land and the most complex brain around would probably have been outclassed by a modern woodlouse. I don't think that humans could find a way to wipe out every single vertebrate on land if we tried, even if only a few rats or crows survived that would about 400 million years worth of evolution already done.
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Climate Change : 200 Million years later evolved Rats dig up our Bones
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ghostwritingduck posted:With enough time, evolution will bring more intelligent life. On the off-chance humanity destroys itself but somehow the great apes survive you can be sure chimps will fill our role as intelligent civilization-building tool-users pretty quickly (in evolutionary terms). They're as terrible as we are so look forward to more of the same. Conspiratiorist posted:It looks increasingly likely that the reason for fermi's paradox is that intelligent life that reaches tech levels approximate to our own is either It's probably C, special relativity is a pretty tough constraint for interstellar anything. Star Man posted:I majored in English and focused on rhetoric and composition. I'm loving useless in fighting this poo poo off, aren't I? Climate change is primarily a political problem, so people skilled in rhetoric and speech-writing could very well be more useful than scientists at this point in terms of climate advocacy. It's not like the scientific consensus can get any clearer.
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Paradoxish posted:Ditto. If it's something you want to do then go for it. 29 isn't even close to being too late for that kind of change, assuming you're willing to put in the effort to learn. One of my pseudo-mentors started learning modern coding at 51 because he was [retired early and loving bored], and is now back to working a fairly reasonable number of hours a week at a considerably higher wage than I have.
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ghostwritingduck posted:With enough time, evolution will bring more intelligent life. Who cares? I mean, that's a heck of a novel religion, but otherwise completely meaningless.
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AceOfFlames posted:I'm in aerospace >.< I dont even like it that much but now I am stuck (my degree was more like a bunch of intro classes of various engineering branches strung together with a joke of a thesis at the end). What I would really like to do is software but at 29 it might be way too late. 29 is not too late for an interdisciplinary engineering major with software skills. What the hell.
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TildeATH posted:Who cares? I mean, that's a heck of a novel religion, but otherwise completely meaningless. It's too bad that the evangelists want to die in a polluted hellfire, or else we could convince them that fighting climate change and these oil tycoon billionaires is a holy war.
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Star Man posted:It's too bad that the evangelists want to die in a polluted hellfire, or else we could convince them that fighting climate change and these oil tycoon billionaires is a holy war. I've had some success with my father by using the argument that we were given Dominion over the Earth, which means we have to protect it; that's a bible passage, even. Or maybe he was humoring me because he thinks I'm a dumb liberal. I'd aim for more outdoorsy types for that kind of stuff though.
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TildeATH posted:No way. Tech is absolutely riddled with late learning coders making more money than makes any sense in the world. How'd you do it? Like, how'd you prepare and where'd you enter the field? Self-Train & Portfolio followed by web app developer or something?
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Stallion Cabana posted:I've had some success with my father by using the argument that we were given Dominion over the Earth, which means we have to protect it; that's a bible passage, even. Once you go Genesis then they think you're advocating G-d gave us all the plants to smoke and then they start thinking about their portfolios. Filthy mammon. Best part of the creation story though was you have to name all the animals. Go ahead and keep naming all the species of beetles. Or just rip off the fig leaf and gently caress until you die. So many beetles. 
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Article: Bill Gates and investors worth $170 billion are launching a fund to fight climate change through energy innovationquote:Bill Gates is leading a more than $1 billion fund focused on fighting climate change by investing in clean energy innovation. Bill Gates is an exemplary billionaire.
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Honestly, I'm not impressed. Call me when Exxon or Koch Industries starts funding alternative energy and green-powered equipment.
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I mean it's a nice thought that someone's gonna be able to come up with a technology that can save the world in the next twenty years, but I'm pretty sure a billion dollars isn't enough to come up with the technology needed to save the world, they spent 2000 times that much on the Iraq War and look how that turned out.
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Accretionist posted:Article: Bill Gates and investors worth $170 billion are launching a fund to fight climate change through energy innovation He is an odd duck but he will jump the h*ck out of a chair. Bill and Melinda Gates (and Buffet) are god-tier billionaires https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJMgPGswrk4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TCirzo6hIM
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Maybe Bill will threaten to send jobs to Mexico for more clean energy support.
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Star Man posted:Honestly, I'm not impressed. Call me when Exxon or Koch Industries starts funding alternative energy and green-powered equipment. That would tap money from their 'global warming is a hoax' think tanks, have some decency!
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The good news for Gates is that there are going to be a lot of climate scientists about to be out of a job soon.
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AceOfFlames posted:I'm in aerospace >.< I dont even like it that much but now I am stuck (my degree was more like a bunch of intro classes of various engineering branches strung together with a joke of a thesis at the end). What I would really like to do is software but at 29 it might be way too late. No, 29 is not too late. The only problem is your attitude. Also, don't start with learning modern front-end web development. It's a steaming pile of poo poo at the moment with the next best implementation of javascript being released every next day, ontop of being overwhelming for new programmers. Stick to Java or C#.
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All billionaires are bad, some are just less bad.
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Sylink posted:All billionaires are bad, some are just less bad. What you mean I don't get credit for putting a small fraction of my wealth towards climate change by "investing" money?
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Good news! http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/11/politics/donald-trump-climate-change-interview/index.html quote:"I'm still open-minded. Nobody really knows. Look, I'm somebody that gets it, and nobody really knows. It's not something that's so hard and fast."
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