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Anime Schoolgirl posted:remember when the democrats backstabbed civil rights groups and unions for reagan votes, replaced their economic and social rights agenda with that of the republicans (but with less racial slurs) and kept doing that and when that started to fail, they adopted identity politics but explicitly made it class-exclusionary to sucker in more votes in the late 2000s looking at it like this I sure wonder how they ever expected that to work, at all and we can clearly see that holy poo poo it did not
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:I mean when you think about it, the dnc doesn't do anything at all. They are just a political club with zero influence or power, like the House of Lords. one effective tactic progressives could use to move the party left is to not lose primaries. like, maybe lucy flores shouldn't have placed in 3rd and lost to ruben kihuen despite outspending him massively?
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GlyphGryph posted:Is this a response to what I wrote? Because, uh, it doesn't much seem like it, since I very expressly argued against trying to "sell or market" socialism there. More that your post reminded me of something else I wanted to complain about.
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Pollyanna posted:looking at it like this I sure wonder how they ever expected that to work, at all They expected the people to the left of them to always vote for them because they were ostensibly to the left of their opposition.
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neoliberals and neoliberal unironic roleplayers can kick and scream all they want (especially in this thread) but giving the common man a bone (even if most of the visible ones happen to be white when in reality they're the most diverse class ever) is the way forward and at least a few democrats see the writing on the wall here
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Dec 12, 2016 17:53
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Pollyanna posted:looking at it like this I sure wonder how they ever expected that to work, at all The Republican version of that horseshit is still going strong
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NumberLast posted:They expected the people to the left of them to always vote for them because they were ostensibly to the left of their opposition. It's not a bad assumption. It's just this time people chose not to vote at all.
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Dec 12, 2016 17:55
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Concern Troll Citizen posted:one effective tactic progressives could use to move the party left is to not lose primaries. like, maybe lucy flores shouldn't have placed in 3rd and lost to ruben kihuen despite outspending him massively? 
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Dec 12, 2016 17:58
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:The Republican version of that horseshit is still going strong The Democrats chose smug condescension as their fuel of choice while the Republicans chose xenophobia, and xenophobia is a deeper well than smugness.
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Dec 12, 2016 17:59
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Bushiz posted:The Democrats chose smug condescension as their fuel of choice while the Republicans chose xenophobia, and xenophobia is a deeper well than smugness. I think the well you're looking for is "sociopathy"
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Dec 12, 2016 18:00
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:xenophobia isn't doing too hot either what with a lot of people braying for Russia's takeover Russians are white enough
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Dec 12, 2016 18:00
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I don't know, moral crusaders on left and right are the smuggest shits ever. But the decline in relevance of the religious right this cycle shows that you can run on moral outrage from any angle when people are really hurting.
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Dec 12, 2016 18:01
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:xenophobia isn't doing too hot either what with a lot of people braying for Russia's takeover it's almost like their xenophobia is based on racial qualities too. Like yea no poo poo the 'xenophobes' in power don't give a poo poo about German or English immigration but they sure have very deep and serious concerns about other immigrants!
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Dec 12, 2016 18:03
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Serf posted:like I said, run candidates who are earnest and honest and actually give a poo poo about their constituents. doesn't matter so much what they're "selling" if they don't just seem like more fakes Pretty much the most important thing imo
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but just almost a decade ago they were scared of the russkies what happened surely it couldn't be the fact that they started sanctioning violence on minorities and American/Western European expats wholesale after putin's election oh i wonder how they'll respond to a russian beating up a pregnant white woman when Hotline Miami becomes real Agean90 posted:Pretty much the most important thing imo
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Dec 12, 2016 18:07
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Bushiz posted:The Democrats chose smug condescension as their fuel of choice while the Republicans chose xenophobia, and xenophobia is a deeper well than smugness. The word you are looking for is "populism"
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Bushiz posted:Russians are white enough Not for brits
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Dec 12, 2016 18:09
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Agean90 posted:Pretty much the most important thing imo like I want more candidates who speak candidly and off the cuff and not carefully prepared speeches written by pencil-neck policy nerds. I want people who will slam their fists on podiums and speak unreservedly with passion and enthusiasm that poo poo works because that's how people talk to each other, and the political class seems like fuckin pod people when they just deliver canned lines and empty statements
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Dec 12, 2016 18:10
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:i love how we have so many posts detailing that we have our eyes on the prize yet the neoliberals tell us we have suggested nothing and all they suggest is a variant of "sell ourselves to corporate hegemony" tbf I'm guilty of saying we cant use socialism as a platform title, but I'm justified because most American don't give a poo poo about 'ists and 'isms
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:but just almost a decade ago they were scared of the russkies The current state of the right has been hotline Miami for a while, in a different sense
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Yeah. I mean look at Donald trump during the primaries. Dude was legit angry and I think thats why he was able to win so handily. Having more candidates who arnt afraid to ignore the rules of the debate to call their opponents lying fuckass will go a long way I think.
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Agean90 posted:Yeah. I mean look at Donald trump during the primaries. Dude was legit angry and I think thats why he was able to win so handily. Having more candidates who arnt afraid to ignore the rules of the debate to call their opponents lying fuckass will go a long way I think. is it really salt if you're speaking about it jovially like a sports game
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Dec 12, 2016 18:16
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:imo bernie needed three times the finger waggling game he had, his rebukes are solid at least This assumes Bernie was capable of doing literally anything other than segue into his stump speech within 2 sentences, no matter what the situation is. 95% of his appeal was that he tried to mainstream correct opinions for once. Personally inspiring he ain't. Now if we could somehow find someone with the willingness to mock people like Biden with Bernie's positions, and also have them not be older than time, we'd be all set. Not sure anyone like that actually exists though.
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Dec 12, 2016 18:21
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we need to take local politics national. increase transparency by having candidates who are willing to speak openly and honestly about the government and the problems it faces. we all probably work in jobs with weird protocols and procedures, we can relate to that poo poo. we could be the party of an open government if we were willing to stop sucking off wall street we need more informal meetings, with candidates just talking to people like normal human beings. go out and just speak to your constituents. make a big deal outta snubbing some lobbyist or big business type so you can speak with the person on the street. you can have political theater and use it for good while actually being concerned about the people you're governing
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zegermans posted:This assumes Bernie was capable of doing literally anything other than segue into his stump speech within 2 sentences, no matter what the situation is. 95% of his appeal was that he tried to mainstream correct opinions for once. Personally inspiring he ain't. I exist. But I have too many skeletons in my closet personally. Mainly my bad posting history.
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greatn posted:I exist. But I have too many skeletons in my closet personally. Mainly my bad posting history. Donald Trump is our president, lmao at the idea of skeletons mattering
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Dec 12, 2016 18:26
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Serf posted:Donald Trump is our president, lmao at the idea of skeletons mattering No skeletons. No skeletons. You're the skeleton!
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Given the literal bullshit that has continually streamed from the president-elect's Twitter feed, I would think that being a bad poster is no longer a disqualifying condition.
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Being a dull poster like me, tho, is another question entirely.
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:Being a dull poster like me, tho, is another question entirely. ie the people that make illegal fireworks, shoot holes in racists' trucks, and cook meth quote:This assumes Bernie was capable of doing literally anything other than segue into his stump speech within 2 sentences, no matter what the situation is. 95% of his appeal was that he tried to mainstream correct opinions for once. Personally inspiring he ain't. Anime Schoolgirl has issued a correction as of 18:35 on Dec 12, 2016 |
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Dec 12, 2016 18:31
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"mr mcserfington we have obtained posts from the dead, gay Something Awful forums where in late 2016 you posted 'full communism now'. would you care to explain that statement?" "yes I would, and thank you for asking. you see that's just locker room talk. internet posters, we talk like that all the time, you may not like it but we do. furthermore, lmao"
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Dec 12, 2016 18:34
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The guillotine is a metaphor. I mean, haha, I'm not actually advocating violence.
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Serf posted:"mr mcserfington we have obtained posts from the dead, gay Something Awful forums where in late 2016 you posted 'full communism now'. would you care to explain that statement?" *aides place what appears to a large bar chart on nearby easel, only to reveal it's actually goatse.cx*
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Serf posted:"mr mcserfington we have obtained posts from the dead, gay Something Awful forums where in late 2016 you posted 'full communism now'. would you care to explain that statement?" There'd be a lot of Satan and Devil Bird Thing hailing to account for though.
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:I don't know, moral crusaders on left and right are the smuggest shits ever. But the decline in relevance of the religious right this cycle shows that you can run on moral outrage from any angle when people are really hurting. The religious right didn't decline in relevance. They bent the knee early to Trump, and might even get a concession or two out of him. It's just like how they got Reagan elected governor of California. They're not irrelevant at all, because they're still a decisive voting bloc.
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:The guillotine is a metaphor. I mean, haha, I'm not actually advocating violence.
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:The guillotine is a metaphor. I mean, haha, I'm not actually advocating violence. "actually I am most definitely advocating violence against the rich. fight me, mr. moderator" Captain_Maclaine posted:*aides place what appears to a large bar chart on nearby easel, only to reveal it's actually goatse.cx* lol Thoguh posted:There'd be a lot of Satan and Devil Bird Thing hailing to account for though. "religious freedom is one of the pillars of American society"
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Dec 12, 2016 18:42
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putting the rich in a "pit of snakes" actually means extraditing them to wonderful vacation spots like syria
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there have been quite a few conservatives that have advocated for lynching Obama and still hold office so I don't think guillotine posting would be a problem.
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After the next financial crisis it will be welcomed.
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