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VitalSigns posted:The stormtroopers in IV are obviously not supposed to be clones because Han and Luke dress up as them and talk and stuff and none of the other stormtroopers go "hey why you don't sound exactly like me" The clones were all programmed with myriad directives, 66 being the big "kill all jedi" one. Order 67 was "Kill Palpatine" that was included to make everyone less sus about the "Kill all the jedi" order. Palpatine phased out the clones pretty quickly because that's a pretty big loose end and you don't want your footsoldiers to be one hacker away from trying to kill you.
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Twelve by Pies posted:I also feel that the economy in Germany was good under Hitler, or at least, not bad. I remember stories about German currency being fairly worthless after WWI, and I don't recall that being the case in WWII, so I assume it probably improved, so I feel that the argument of "the economy can't possibly be strong under fascism" is false. The German economy rebounded under the Nazis, it was already rebounding when Hitler was put into power, and it continued to grow under them. The main reason why it grew like it did was because the Nazis were running a giant credit scheme around rearmament and many companies in Germany were operating on credit, the MeFo scheme. Germany would have gone bankrupt and their economy would have collapsed by the 1940's if they didn't invade and plunder their neighbors to pay off the extreme amount of debt they owed.
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Twelve by Pies posted:Random quote from a recent Dilbertman post. Okay, he absolutely has to be arguing in bad faith now, even Joe Walsh is tweaking to the fact that Trump is obscenely corrupt. Either he's trolling to make some idiot meta point or his brain's completely turned to mush at this point.
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ManlyGrunting posted:Okay, he absolutely has to be arguing in bad faith now, even Joe Walsh is tweaking to the fact that Trump is obscenely corrupt. Either he's trolling to make some idiot meta point or his brain's completely turned to mush at this point. Considering that "trolling for some idiot meta point" means you're so far up your rear end you've become nose-blind to your own farts, I'd say his brain is mush either way.
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:The German economy rebounded under the Nazis, it was already rebounding when Hitler was put into power, and it continued to grow under them. The main reason why it grew like it did was because the Nazis were running a giant credit scheme around rearmament and many companies in Germany were operating on credit, the MeFo scheme. Germany would have gone bankrupt and their economy would have collapsed by the 1940's if they didn't invade and plunder their neighbors to pay off the extreme amount of debt they owed. Dow 20k!
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Twelve by Pies posted:I also feel that the economy in Germany was good under Hitler, or at least, not bad. I remember stories about German currency being fairly worthless after WWI, and I don't recall that being the case in WWII, so I assume it probably improved, so I feel that the argument of "the economy can't possibly be strong under fascism" is false. The German government deliberately wrecked the currency at times in the 20s as part of an effort to renegotiate and disrupt the treaty payment obligations. This is the time period you hear about when people had wheelbarrows of notes to buy a loaf of bread, or took their currency to burn for fuel because it was worthless. The currency got replaced and stabilized by the mid-late 20s however, using a complicated process partially backed by claims on real estate. The German economy really wasn't good under the Nazis. Most of the time they just managed to avoid not loving up the recovery that was already occurring under late Weimar-era economic policy. And as time went on, the Nazis just straight up smashed and grabbed stuff from countries they invaded/annexed to keep the economy going. For instance, when they annexed Austria, they took all the gold and foreign currency reserves of the Austrian central bank systems and used it to prop up Germany's own reserves. This was necessary to keep up the ability to buy outside food and other resources needed to keep the economy going. Later of course, during the war proper they just straight up stole even more stuff to keep things going, and the reichsmark was only "strong" because they forced occupied nations to accept it was worth a lot. When there's a detachment of SS men at the door, and they say the Reichsmark is worth 20 French francs now, well you give them 20 francs for a reichsmark. It doesn't matter that in a fair exchange rate it might have actually only been worth 10 francs. As soon as Nazi authority left an area though, the value quickly dropped. The Nazis had massively overprinted and issued their own currency during the war. The value of the national currencies of various countries suffered a little, but the Nazi currency was effectively worth 1/10 of its previous worth during the immediate pre-World War II era (this is a gross oversimplification, but close enough.). Adam Tooze has a great book about the Nazi peacetime and wartime economy and how it was massively dysfunctional: The Wages of Destruction: The Making and Breaking of the Nazi Economy fishmech fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Dec 11, 2016 |
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Twelve by Pies posted:Random quote from a recent Dilbertman post. The economy in the Third Reich was propped up by the reserves of the countries that they occupied, and also by massive amounts of slave labour after 1941. Without the plundering of their neighbours, they'd have collapsed fairly fast.
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fishmech posted:The German government deliberately wrecked the currency at times in the 20s as part of an effort to renegotiate and disrupt the treaty payment obligations. This is the time period you hear about when people had wheelbarrows of notes to buy a loaf of bread, or took their currency to burn for fuel because it was worthless. The currency got replaced and stabilized by the mid-late 20s however, using a complicated process partially backed by claims on real estate. This basically. The reparations scheme was propped up by American investment in Germany making a nice little capital loop. Americans invested in German property and business, Germans paid Britain and France reparations, and those guys repaid Americans war loans. Worked fine until 1929 and American capital dried up.
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Rip Testes posted:I didn't know Fox News had a comedy segment. Gutfeld is an rear end but he's the only person on their "commentary" lineup that doesn't have Trump jizz leaking out of their buttholes mid-segment.
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Speaking of the fucker, is he really trying to convince the people that Russia's undermining one of our institutions to help beat a so-called "enemy" to the country rather than put the country's real enemy in power? Surely he cannot be stupid enough to think that this statement won't backfire in his face royally can he?
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Did someone mention idiots who are trying to convince people that Russia's undermining one of our institutions to beat a so-called "enemy" is actually a great thing? Because that sounds like time for a Scott Adams blog post!quote:One way to look at the recent election in the United States is that Russia (allegedly) subverted our democratic process to ensure that Trump would win. The facts seem to point in that general direction, although we can’t know how much influence Russia really had. Oh yeah by the way. Fake news is actually great. Everyone should love fake news, it's a force for good! quote:But what if the fake news is created with good intentions? For example, suppose you believed that Donald Trump would be the best president and you knew that facts and reason don’t change minds as well as fake news. In that situation you might create a fake news story that helps your candidate win, but you would be doing so in the interest of society.
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quote:In my worldview – that of a hypnotist and persuader  It never stops being hilariously pathetic how desperately he clings to "master persuader" as his identity.
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Keeshhound posted:It never stops being hilariously pathetic how desperately he clings to "master persuader" as his identity. Twelve by Pies, did he actually open up his comments section? The one time I checked his blog, it was multiple pages of Trump hype with comments blocked for all entries.
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sweart gliwere posted:Twelve by Pies, did he actually open up his comments section? The one time I checked his blog, it was multiple pages of Trump hype with comments blocked for all entries. His comments section is indeed actually open again! It was reopened on December 5th, the day he posted an article saying climate change is actually a mass delusion with no real evidence behind it. Sometimes I'll load the page and it will say all articles have 0 comments, but if I refresh the number usually shows up again. I dare not look upon the horror of the comment sections.
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quote:I can’t think of any reason Russia and the United States should be considered natural enemies. Both countries want to defeat ISIS. Both countries want peace and prosperity. Neither claims ownership of any of the other’s territory. NATO and the US dispute Russia's annexation of Crimea and are imposing sanctions meant to keep Russia from annexing Ukraine. And Russia and the U.S. both are making claims against the arctic seafloor for petro-rights, as well? Don't these three facts completely invalidate Scott's assertions above?
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Dr. Faustus posted:Don't these three facts See, there's that word. "Facts." I thought I told you people that facts don't matter. Look, Russia and the US feel like they're not in conflict with each other and ultimately that's all that matters in the real 3D world, unless you want to stay in the 2D world for babies with your "facts" and "reason" which are all lies. 
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Dr. Faustus posted:So, Russia's military action in Syria is actually to support Assad, against the US. Right? Pfft, you don't need "evidence" or "facts" for your arguments when you're a  MASTER PERSUADER libtard. e: seriously Adams couldn't persuade a cat to lick its own rear end in a top hat.
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Twelve by Pies posted:ultimately that's all that matters in the real 3D world, unless you want to stay in the 2D world for babies with your "facts" and "reason" which are all lies. hey man don't spoil the next thomas friedman column
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ManlyGrunting posted:e: seriously Adams couldn't persuade a cat to lick its own rear end in a top hat.
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Shouldn't that be to not convince a cat to lick his own rear end in a top hat?
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Keeshhound posted:
No, he's just a regular persuader, but he's skilled enough to recognize a Master like Trump.
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There needs to be a cloud-to-butt plugin for persuader-to-bater.
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Rick_Hunter posted:Shouldn't that be to not convince a cat to lick his own rear end in a top hat? Yeah cats lick their assholes every chance they get. I should know, I have three of the little butt heads.
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Rick_Hunter posted:Shouldn't that be to not convince a cat to lick his own rear end in a top hat? Buckwheat Sings posted:Yeah cats lick their assholes every chance they get. I should know, I have three of the little butt heads.  They're saying Adams is so unpersuasive that he couldn't convince someone to do something that they wanted to, let alone anything more challenging.
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Chimera-gui posted:Speaking of the fucker, is he really trying to convince the people that Russia's undermining one of our institutions to help beat a so-called "enemy" to the country rather than put the country's real enemy in power? If the last few years have taught me anything it's that literally nothing can backfire on him. He's totally Teflon as long as every other politician is a gutless coward (they are).
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Dr. Faustus posted:So, Russia's military action in Syria is actually to support Assad, against the US. Right?
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Radish posted:If the last few years have taught me anything it's that literally nothing can backfire on him. He's totally Teflon as long as every other politician is a gutless coward (they are). Just goes to show how far "never apologize" can take you if you really are utterly shameless. Mencken called this a hundred years ago. quote:“No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.” quote:The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
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quote:On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. Yes. I really do.
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Keeshhound posted:
I thought Rick_Hunter was saying Adams wants a cat to lick his (Adams's) rear end in a top hat. It was hard to parse the grammar of that sentence. Ewen Cluney posted:Also the thing that Putin is basically an enemy of democracy, and a big part of why people suspect he tried to undermine the US election is that he's done exactly that to several smaller countries. While I agree with that, I also find it a bit hypocritical that the U.S. is getting mad at other countries mucking with our internal politics, as if we haven't done the same thing all over the world since the Cold War started. Jurgan fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Dec 13, 2016 |
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Jurgan posted:I also find it a bit hypocritical that the U.S. is getting mad at other countries mucking with our internal politics, as if we haven't done the same thing all over the world since the Cold War started. I've been hearing this line all day. Isn't that exactly why this sort of thing shouldn't be able to happen here? Shouldn't the people who know how to install leaders have safeguards against that very idea? ...is what I would ask if things actually worked, but they're clearly broken.
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Jurgan posted:I thought Rick_Hunter was saying Adams wants a cat to lick his (Adams's) rear end in a top hat. It was hard to parse the grammar of that sentence. Yeah I mean just look at Chile. Although I don't like it happening, it's not like we have any high ground here to complain. Die Sexmonster! posted:I've been hearing this line all day. Isn't that exactly why this sort of thing shouldn't be able to happen here? Shouldn't the people who know how to install leaders have safeguards against that very idea? The Russians figured out how to do it totally legally and our system seems to pride itself with the willingness to throw itself off a cliff as long as it was done properly and by the rules. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Dec 13, 2016 |
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Apparently Pam Geller got banned from Britain personally by Theresa May and she was on Breitbart whining about it today, as well as maligning the banning of her buddy Richard Spencer. Just loving once I'd love for her to go on a show where the host is willing to ask "Did Srebrenica happen?"
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Radish posted:The Russians figured out how to do it totally legally and our system seems to pride itself with the willingness to throw itself off a cliff as long as it was done properly and by the rules. Properly, by the rules and ARE TEAM won, not those sissy LIEberals and DEMONRATS. If there was the faintest whiff of the Democrats gaining power due to outside influence Republicans would be howling a shitstorm. Instead there is very real, blatantly obvious proof that Putin was doing everything he could to nudge and push the system towards Trump (how effective it was compared to Trump's simple message of blatant racism is up for debate) and the Republicans have been mostly keeping silent. And the MSM is mostly owned by conservative money and interests, not progressive/liberal ones.
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zegermans posted:Apparently Pam Geller got banned from Britain personally by Theresa May and she was on Breitbart whining about it today, as well as maligning the banning of her buddy Richard Spencer. We also banned National Action (a far-right political organisation) after they celebrated the murder of one of our legislators by a neo-Nazi in June.
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zegermans posted:Apparently Pam Geller got banned from Britain personally by Theresa May and she was on Breitbart whining about it today, as well as maligning the banning of her buddy Richard Spencer. Just searched for info on this (because good) and of course the top stories from google are from Breitbart. I'm looking forward to searching on a climate change topic and having Infowars yelling about chem trails being the top story for me to read.
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Speaking from ignorance here, does it actually work like that, that the PM makes the unilateral decision to declare somebody persona non grata?
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Pirate Radar posted:Speaking from ignorance here, does it actually work like that, that the PM makes the unilateral decision to declare somebody persona non grata? Probably not but I only got this news straight from Breitbart News Daily on my morning drive. I imagine it's part of some larger plot to try to pull May to the right, or make up wedge issues to allow for more space between the sane right and the fascists so the fascists can point and say "look, you can vote for even more racist people!"
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The Prime Minister does not. The Home Secretary does - they control things such as the police and immigration. Back in 2013 Geller was banned under our right to block entry to the country of anyone not 'conducive to the public good' - this list is actually very short and is made up almost solely of Nazi and Islamic terrorists.
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