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Risky Bisquick posted:So you didn't try to reseat the card after people suggested you do so earlier? Oh I did, even blew compressed air in the slot. But the cable is thick and just kinda went beneath my card again I guess? I may be retarded  Goon bless you guys for helping me out.
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Weird, at least it works, thanks for testing a 1070 in pci-e 1x though 
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AEMINAL posted:Well, don't I feel stupid. Turns out the edge of my card was resting on a rather fat PCI-E power cable and never fully clicked in. It's a miracle it ran at all, what the gently caress? The PCIe spec is actually quite interesting and forgiving in that respect: the "required" bits are all towards the left side (closest to the rear of the motherboard), and after meeting the fairly minimal pin requirements for 1x, everything past that is purely optional and works almost like an auto-negotiated port, where it'll use whatever it finds and fall back as far as needed until it's happy. You can literally dremel out the right-hand edge of a 1x slot and stick a full-sized GPU in there and it will work fine, albeit at 1x speeds. For a time this was not an uncommon practice for dedicated bitcoin miners--they'd grab a motherboard with 6-8 PCIe slots and simply dremel the edge off any 1x/4x slots to stuff more cards in there, rather than paying the expense for a fancy 4-way CrossFire board. That's effectively what your card being miss-seated was doing.
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Risky Bisquick posted:Weird, at least it works, thanks for testing a 1070 in pci-e 1x though I'm glad all this bullshit provided something interesting at least lmao
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Dec 13, 2016 19:10
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Wow what a twist, it was actually running in 1x lane?  "I would be very surprised if..." well I am
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Dec 13, 2016 19:25
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penus penus penus posted:Wow what a twist, it was actually running in 1x lane? Dude, I'm getting 110 avg FPS in bf1 MP now with everything high and some ultra at 1080p I can't believe I didn't notice this before. Good job PCI-E people?
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Dec 13, 2016 19:29
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I knew it would work even at 1X as mentioned above with the way PCI-E works, but still pretty crazy. On that note it shows also how Haven isn't the most bandwidth intensive app anymore (3DMark would have given you some much more telling info I believe) it still shows the bottleneck and how well that 1070 runs even at 1X PCI-E 3.0 speeds.
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Dec 13, 2016 19:31
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Now this makes me think my card isn't getting the full 16x lanes for some reason. I'll need to take a look at my motherboard and make sure it's seated properly. I know that the card kind of doesn't want to line up properly with the brackets on the back of the case and is a pain to screw in. Maybe it just doesn't fit in there right. Would suck if that's the case. edit: Though difference could also just be because I'm on different drivers or something.
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Dec 13, 2016 19:47
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havenwaters posted:Now this makes me think my card isn't getting the full 16x lanes for some reason. I'll need to take a look at my motherboard and make sure it's seated properly. I know that the card kind of doesn't want to line up properly with the brackets on the back of the case and is a pain to screw in. Maybe it just doesn't fit in there right. Would suck if that's the case. I really had to push/bend the backside of the case "in" towards the card thumbscrew holes to get the screws in, try that
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My issue is more that they aren't aligned horizontally by like 1 or 2 millimeters so I gotta push the card up a bit and hey it boots so everything is fine right?  edit: Probably really 0.5 to 1 mm not 1 to 2. It's not misaligned by a lot but it is by more than my 970 or 770 so I dunno.
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Dec 13, 2016 20:08
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This was a pretty heartwarming saga and I'm glad your card is all fixed you big dingus  Reminds me when I was about to RMA my motherboard because the onboard sound failed. But it turns out I had my speaker jack plugged into the mic port
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Dec 13, 2016 21:12
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My computer sees my LG 29UM67 as one of my secondary monitors, in audio devices. It's really weird having to select my V223 or whatever ASUS monitor to get sound to play through my LG and into my headphones.
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Dec 13, 2016 21:14
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If I'm having instability with my 1070, do you guys think it's worth using that 2x6 pin PCI-E to 1x8 pin cable that came with the card? Maybe my power supply is feeding power to the card weirdly? I've got one 6pin and 1 6+2 pin coming from the power supply itself. The 6+2 is what's plugged in at the moment, which is labeled as PCI-E 2. Just a shot in the dark.
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Dec 13, 2016 21:15
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cat doter posted:If I'm having instability with my 1070, do you guys think it's worth using that 2x6 pin PCI-E to 1x8 pin cable that came with the card? Maybe my power supply is feeding power to the card weirdly? I've got one 6pin and 1 6+2 pin coming from the power supply itself. The 6+2 is what's plugged in at the moment, which is labeled as PCI-E 2. Just a shot in the dark. If you're getting hard crashes it might be your PSU aging. My previous build one day started crashing in the middle of games, it was a split second hard reset. Then I bought new parts for this build and decided to try with the new PSU, voila, no resets anymore
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AEMINAL posted:If you're getting hard crashes it might be your PSU aging. My previous build one day started crashing in the middle of games, it was a split second hard reset. Nah there's no hard crashes or random reboots or anything, games just seem to crash randomly. It isn't the driver resetting like you'd expect either, just the games crash. The 970 I had plugged in there previously didn't have the same issue, but it was a 2x6pin card which is what made me think perhaps my power supply just isn't feeding the right amount of power to it and it's a little unstable. Subjunctive posted:Have you tried reseating it? I've done a hell of a lot more than that, this is about the only thing I haven't tried.
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cat doter posted:Nah there's no hard crashes or random reboots or anything, games just seem to crash randomly. It isn't the driver resetting like you'd expect either, just the games crash. The 970 I had plugged in there previously didn't have the same issue, but it was a 2x6pin card which is what made me think perhaps my power supply just isn't feeding the right amount of power to it and it's a little unstable. You can try it but unless there is something seriously weird going on it should not fix it. Have you reseated the cables going into your PSU? If it's a modular PSU I have seen instability caused by the cable going into the PSU being a little loose or not all the way in, the same thing can happen at the video card end but I assume you've already checked that. TBH it sounds like a software issue but I assume you've already done the whole song and dance with DDU and drivers so at this point the only way to completely test for that would be a clean OS install.
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cat doter posted:kinda interesting that you guys are getting those lows and highs with heaven, even with my kinda unstable 1070 this is what I get Following the guy saying, run Heaven to completion of all the scenes, I received a 3600+ on my Titan XP. Minimum frames were 40+. In fact, I let Heaven scene complete twice before benchmarking.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:You can try it but unless there is something seriously weird going on it should not fix it. Have you reseated the cables going into your PSU? If it's a modular PSU I have seen instability caused by the cable going into the PSU being a little loose or not all the way in, the same thing can happen at the video card end but I assume you've already checked that. I have a suspicion there is something weird going on, but yeah there was no problems running the 970 with the same cables, 2 cards with similar power draw and everything. I just don't understand why the 1070 is having stability issues while the 970, heavily overclocked, worked perfectly fine. edit: Ok this is loving weird, I shut down my computer to try this cable thing, and I grabbed the adaptor that came with the card and...it doesn't fit???? The adaptor that came with the card...doesn't fit... what the gently caress cat doter fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Dec 13, 2016 |
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cat doter posted:I have a suspicion there is something weird going on, but yeah there was no problems running the 970 with the same cables, 2 cards with similar power draw and everything. I just don't understand why the 1070 is having stability issues while the 970, heavily overclocked, worked perfectly fine. Have you tried it on a clean install?
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Gyrotica posted:Have you tried it on a clean install? look I know I should've tried this by now but I just don't want to
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cat doter posted:look I know I should've tried this by now but
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Don't worry guys, there was nothing important at the AMD thing. Literally just a framerate counter with no basis in any other existing results, b/c a new processor and a new GPU.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Don't worry guys, there was nothing important at the AMD thing. Literally just a framerate counter with no basis in any other existing results, b/c a new processor and a new GPU. They could have just run four CPU/GPU configs together, AMD/AMD, Intel/AMD, AMD/Nvidia and Intel/Nvidia, if you want to show up the competition that would be a good way of doing so. This isn't exactly filling me with confidence. Of course this is AMD's marketing department so we could just chalk this up to incompetence.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Of course this is AMD's marketing department so we could just chalk this up to incompetence. You say this, but have you seen what IBM's marketing department is coming up with? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYF2UT5xhyI
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If all the game settings were true 4K + Ultra Settings, at least it shows that AMD can indeed do it unlike their past hardware and only Vulkan optimized or other special titles. Now the wait continues to see if they can actually release some good products at a competitive price once again...
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:They could have just run four CPU/GPU configs together, AMD/AMD, Intel/AMD, AMD/Nvidia and Intel/Nvidia, if you want to show up the competition that would be a good way of doing so. This isn't exactly filling me with confidence. They blew the budget on Geoff Keighley. But, like you said, AMD's marketing department.
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Jan posted:You say this, but have you seen what IBM's marketing department is coming up with? Hmmmm, that was actually sort of amusing, I chuckled. On the other hand the laughter that AMD's marketing department evokes is mostly bitter.
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Since those stupid adapters wouldn't fit I went to the extreme end and grabbed a spare power supply out of a computer that's not currently being used for anything, and I've got heaven looping now without any crashing. I also overclocked the card and broke the 100fps barrier (got 100.6, minimum was 32fps). Seems promising so far.
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I think I figured out why my 1070 wasn't running as fast as it should be. The +2 pin was hanging out a little bit. How did you even boot computer.
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I missed the AMD thing. So basically... No real info huh
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Not on the GPU side, anyways, that was mostly over the weekend.
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havenwaters posted:I think I figured out why my 1070 wasn't running as fast as it should be. The +2 pin was hanging out a little bit. The plus 2 is just extra ground wires. It really shouldn't have made your card slower
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Don Lapre posted:The plus 2 is just extra ground wires. It really shouldn't have made your card slower Hmmm. Well then I dunno. Guess I'll see how things work in a second.
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They may be ground wires, but it's two extra ground wires that signal to your card that the thing that's plugged into it can supply 150W and double the current as opposed to just 75W from a six pin.
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Well the main difference so far is that Unigine Heaven 4.0 benchmark didn't drop to 9 fps it dropped to 23 fps. BF1 is still in the mid 30s to low 40s at Empire's Edge on DX11 on ultra and 2560x1440. Oh well. Edit:. That being said most stuff has been fine. It's mainly been battlefield 1 that's been having problems and they might just be the last couple patches breaking stuff. edit 2: 3dMark 11 Performance comes in around 13500 which seems about average for my card and cpu. Not going to worry about it and just blame  edit 3: Unigine after fixing the cable.  MagusDraco fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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AEMINAL posted:x16 (new)  I guess not! (Although I'm also kind of betting that CPU isn't much of a bottleneck in Unigine Heaven as well)
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...Everyone's score is higher than mine by a lot. Is it the resolution?
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penus penus penus posted:I missed the AMD thing. So basically... No real info huh zen flagship consumer chip seems to have 94% IPC of broadwell-e which is respectable and it has 45w less TDP for the same performance as a 6900k. i foresee it eating poo poo in both overclocking and floating point operations (which they seemed to have avoided testing) though
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PerrineClostermann posted:...Everyone's score is higher than mine by a lot. Is it the resolution? Probably. Run it at 1920x1080 with the same settings and then compare.
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