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I don't get it, what's the logic of the Dutch?
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Dec 12, 2016 23:22
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Wait do the Dutch think the Ukrainian homonazis shot down their plane or something?
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Dec 12, 2016 23:24
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It's because the Dutch government is scared shitless of Wilders, and because they think that this will make his current voters return to them, right? God, that's so stupid. Politicians never seem to learn this lesson.
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Dec 12, 2016 23:24
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Dawncloack posted:I don't get it, what's the logic of the Dutch? They put it to a referendum vote in April and it lost. This is the play to get it passed through parliament without looking like they are ignoring the voters. Which I'm sure will still happen. Only now instead of angry citizens the Eastern European countries are gonna be mad now too.
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Dec 12, 2016 23:35
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OhFunny posted:Dutch to demand limits on Ukraine deal at EU summit This isn''t even its final form. And then 20 episodes later they're still on Namek (a dutch-sounding name).
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Dec 12, 2016 23:47
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that graph is called the "Pillenknick"(pill bend)in German. take a guess why
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Dec 12, 2016 23:53
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OhFunny posted:They put it to a referendum vote in April and it lost. This, Rutte actually supports the treaty, but the population voted against it in a referendum. Because our population is retarded see. We care more about our trade deals than the 200 citizens shot out of the sky.
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Dec 13, 2016 01:26
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I already got mad at the swamp germans back when they did the stupid referendum. But if I'm reading the new announcement correctly, it doesn't seem to actually do anything in practice, since the whole idea in the first place was only an association agreement, some free trade, and visa-free access to the Schengen area.
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Dec 13, 2016 01:59
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As someone who followed the maidan protests live words cannot describe how disappointed I am in the EU for abandoning Ukraine to its fate.
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Dec 13, 2016 18:43
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So what the hell is going on in the PS primary in France? There appears to be like 8 candidates or something?
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Dec 13, 2016 18:52
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Lord of the Llamas posted:So what the hell is going on in the PS primary in France? There appears to be like 8 candidates or something?  Robert Hue. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Dec 13, 2016 |
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Dec 13, 2016 19:32
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:There are a lot of different ways to calculate the military spending as a fraction of the GDP, including stuff like using the nominal or PPP figures, depending on what fits the narrative you are trying to sell best. For example, here is the telegraph saying that it was at 1.19% for 2016... The point is that it's a pretty normal level of spending for a European country and that there are a lot of countries spending much less. quote:That's just wrong. The acceptable minimum capacity for self-defence is decided by actual equipment needs and specific use scenarios, not by some arbitrary spending requirements. NATO military intelligence and member governments agree that there is no significant threat to european NATO member's security and buying 2k new tanks will not increase our security in any significant way. Nobody is taking the 2% spending target serious, because it's complete nonsense.
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Dec 13, 2016 21:24
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mobby_6kl posted:I already got mad at the swamp germans back when they did the stupid referendum. But if I'm reading the new announcement correctly, it doesn't seem to actually do anything in practice, since the whole idea in the first place was only an association agreement, some free trade, and visa-free access to the Schengen area. Yes so (un)fortunately with enough autographs you can force the (Dutch) government to have a referendum on something. Non-binding, thank god. The more right-wing 'rawr rawr foreigners' platform has enough followers to easily reach that number, so off to the polls we went. Now people simply voted 'no' for a variety of reasons; fear of Russia, fear of Ukrainians taking their jobs, hate of the EU etc. Nobody in the government actually wanted the referendum and the plan was to just vote in favour, but now the (liberal, as in European definition of liberal) prime minister has to give token resistance to save face. It really is a gigantic disgrace of decency.
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Dec 13, 2016 21:30
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Toplowtech posted:
Who invented time travel and brought a man from the 19th century to our times?
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Dec 13, 2016 21:40
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YF-23 posted:Who invented time travel and brought a man from the 19th century to our times? The collar beard was and still remains a pretty good party identifier in France. I wish I had taken pictures at the last campaign meeting I did for Mélenchon's campaign, there were at least two of these in the room.
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Dec 13, 2016 23:49
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Flowers For Algeria posted:The collar beard was and still remains a pretty good party identifier in France. I wish I had taken pictures at the last campaign meeting I did for Mélenchon's campaign, there were at least two of these in the room. If you haven't evolved since the 19th century you might as well sport the beard. Einbauschrank fucked around with this message at 06:50 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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Dec 14, 2016 00:14
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Toplowtech posted:Progressive Unitary Movement Let me guess: They are a splinter party?
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Dec 14, 2016 01:16
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sheep-dodger posted:Let me guess: They are a splinter party? Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 10:52 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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Dec 14, 2016 10:43
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The Swiss have revealed their plan for satisfying the requirements of their 2014 referendum on EU immigration (which requires the Swiss government to impose quotas on the numbers of EU migrants entering the country) without actually imposing quotas on the number of EU migrants entering the country: https://www.ft.com/content/f30d905c-c136-11e6-9bca-2b93a6856354quote:Switzerland aims to settle a long-running conflict with the EU over free movement of people by rejecting immigration quotas approved in a referendum.
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Dec 14, 2016 11:02
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Paolo Gentiloni has created the new Italian government. It's... exactly the same as Renzi's. The only changes are: - Marco Minniti, former Internal Affairs undersecretary responsible for the Secret Service, as Minister of the Interior, in place of Angelino Alfano; - Angelino Alfano, former Minister of the Interior, as Foreign Minister, in the place left by Gentiloni being named premier; - Valeria Fedeli, former Vice President of the Senate, as Schooling, University and Research Minister, in place of Stefania Giannini; - Anna Finocchiaro, who has had no notable posts before, as Minister for Government-Parliament relations, in place of Maria Elena Boschi; - Maria Elena Boschi, former Minister for Government-Parliament relations and "mastermind" of the failed Constitutional Reform which was defeated by the Referendum, is now an undersecretary to the premiership; - Luca Lotti, former undersecretary to the premiership, as Minister for Sport (newly established ministry); - Claudio de Vincenti, another former undersecretary to the premiership, as the newly established Minister for "Territorial Wholeness and the South". That's it. They just shuffled some people around, but it's more of the same  Notably: Angelino Alfano, newly-minted Foreign Minister, is terrible at speaking English; and Valeria Fedeli, newly-minted Schooling, University and Research Minister, does not have a university degree, she just has a high school diploma. People are already (rightly) saying that speaking English and having a university degree are the bare minium requirements for someone who's looking for a job in Italy nowadays. The government has already gotten past the Confidence Vote in the Chamber of Deputies, today's the turn of the Senate but they should be able to get it. Meanwhile, they lost yet another piece: Denis Verdini, leader of the ALA party and so far ally of the DP majority, is supremely disappointed one of his people was not named Minister of Something, and has said he won't vote in favour of the government in today's Confidence Vote in the Senate. Despite ALA having only eight seats in the Chamber of Deputies (out of 630) and 18 in the Senate (out of 320), therefore being worth approximately jack and poo poo. This can only end well 
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Dec 14, 2016 11:42
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Can we upgrade Italy to failed-state yet, or will Belgium remain alone at that perch?
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Dec 14, 2016 11:49
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Belgium isn't even a real country so it's not in the same category to begin with
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Dec 14, 2016 11:57
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France's state of emergency is being renewed for 7 months, past the presidential and parliamentary elections.quote:The extension until July 15 would also allow a new president -- incumbent Francois Hollande is not seeking re-election -- to assess security and prolong the state of emergency if necessary. 
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Dec 14, 2016 12:01
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MiddleOne posted:Can we upgrade Italy to failed-state yet, or will Belgium remain alone at that perch? Don't take away our
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Dec 14, 2016 12:04
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LMAO: https://www.theguardian.com/society/datablog/2016/dec/13/europeans-massively-overestimate-muslim-population-poll-shows
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Dec 14, 2016 12:32
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DarkCrawler posted:LMAO: well it is important to disclose that only complete morons and idiots were polled
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Dec 14, 2016 12:58
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DarkCrawler posted:LMAO: The other nations I can at least process since the assumptions are still numerically low albeit not proportionally. But dear french people, how in the living gently caress do you misconstrue that over 1/3rd of the people you see on the street are something they are not. There's misconceptions and then there's full blown delusion. 
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Dec 14, 2016 12:59
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Kassad posted:France's state of emergency is being renewed for 7 months, past the presidential and parliamentary elections.
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Dec 14, 2016 13:05
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MiddleOne posted:The other nations I can at least process since the assumptions are still numerically low albeit not proportionally. But dear french people, how in the living gently caress do you misconstrue that over 1/3rd of the people you see on the street are something they are not. There's misconceptions and then there's full blown delusion.
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Dec 14, 2016 13:16
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MiddleOne posted:The other nations I can at least process since the assumptions are still numerically low albeit not proportionally. But dear french people, how in the living gently caress do you misconstrue that over 1/3rd of the people you see on the street are something they are not. There's misconceptions and then there's full blown delusion. It also doesn't help that because 2 centuries of clerical warfare, racial and confessional data are excluded from our statistics both crime stats and official survey. You are a far right journo and want to say 75% of the crimes are committed by black/muslim/whatever group you hate people on the radio, go for it, there is no official data to oppose your wild guess. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 13:28 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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Dec 14, 2016 13:18
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MiddleOne posted:The other nations I can at least process since the assumptions are still numerically low albeit not proportionally. But dear french people, how in the living gently caress do you misconstrue that over 1/3rd of the people you see on the street are something they are not. There's misconceptions and then there's full blown delusion. France is absurd but it at least has the excuse of having an actual large Muslim minority. What the gently caress is America's excuse?
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Dec 14, 2016 13:20
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YF-23 posted:France is absurd but it at least has the excuse of having an actual large Muslim minority. What the gently caress is America's excuse?
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Dec 14, 2016 13:23
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Ofaloaf posted:The gently caress are they doing? I'm starting to wonder if Putin isn't pretending to be friendly with Le Pen to distract from the fact that Hollande and his cabinet are the real Russian plants working to gently caress everything up.
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Dec 14, 2016 13:46
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Verhofstadt threatens separate Brexit talks between EU Parliament and UK Interesting development.
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Dec 14, 2016 15:35
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Kassad posted:I'm starting to wonder if Putin isn't pretending to be friendly with Le Pen to distract from the fact that Hollande and his cabinet are the real Russian plants working to gently caress everything up. No, no, that's Fillon. It's Fillon who is campaigning on making the state too dysfunctional to serve any purpose. Fillon is a proud member of the Putin BJ Club, by the way.
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Dec 14, 2016 15:38
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Pissflaps posted:Verhofstadt threatens separate Brexit talks between EU Parliament and UK This is some remarkably short-sighted tree rustling.
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Dec 14, 2016 15:48
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When did it become ok to be so obviously compromised by Russian interests? Are the intelligence services asleep? Is there actually no "rule book" to this kind of thing (the act of willingly and obviously becoming a kind of semi-agent to a foreign power because they're just so lovely) so they're effectively paralyzed?
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Dec 14, 2016 15:58
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Regarde Aduck posted:When did it become ok to be so obviously compromised by Russian interests? Are the intelligence services asleep? Is there actually no "rule book" to this kind of thing (the act of willingly and obviously becoming a kind of semi-agent to a foreign power because they're just so lovely) so they're effectively paralyzed? Liberal democracy's have no real safeguards against this kind of behavior because unless there's something strictly unlawful like spying going on stepping in would be trampling on individuals rights. Lobbying the interests of a foreign state is not a crime and neither is of your 'own volition' acting in accord with the interests of other states. I mean most member states still have laws criminalizing acting against the defensive interests of the nation but that doesn't really correlate to foreign interest.
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It has always been okay, it's just that it used to be a less lovely foreign power.
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