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The townsfolk episodes are unable to reach the heights of the gem episodes, but this is mostly because every gem is deeply connected to the premise of the show, while Beach Citizens other than Greg are just fun bystanders.
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The problem is how the show increasingly separates the townies and the gems. Townies were fine when the gems had to deal with magic problems around beach city. By season 4 there's virtually no interaction between the interesting characters (other than steven or greg) and the people of beach city, so the parts of the show we're actually invested in get put on hold to remind us that they're still there. It tends to lower your opinions on the townsfolk even if they're alright characters.
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Dec 14, 2016 06:48
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Tetracube posted:The problem is how the show increasingly separates the townies and the gems. Townies were fine when the gems had to deal with magic problems around beach city. By this point I was hoping it would be the opposite and we'd be seeing more interactions between the Gems and various humans around town instead of basically none. There's a very wide gap between the human characters and the Gem characters and it doesn't look like that'll be changing unless something shakes up the status quo.
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Dec 14, 2016 08:12
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just you wait until homeworld attacks and the gems are down but Steven saves them by remembering all the humans he's met along the way.... and fusing with them, like just fusing with the populace of the entire town of Beach City, even onion
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Dec 14, 2016 08:19
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This is why I'm glad for the existence of S. Pearl has a reason to start interacting with humans now which was something she never had any need or intention of before, because she finally has a crush on someone. Garnet is too closed off, not just to humans but to other gems to an extent due to Ruby and Sapphire having each other. There are a few exceptions but it seems she preferrs going solo mainly and has no reason to change that. Amethyst enjoys hanging with Vidalia and eating food from the stalls at least, but even then that's all she really does if noones there to take her places. S may be the excuse that they need to branch out.
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Dec 14, 2016 08:28
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Clearly Peridot and Lapis need to start hanging out in town.
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MikeJF posted:Clearly Peridot and Lapis need to start hanging out in town.
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Dec 14, 2016 08:34
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Tupperwarez posted:They need to make friends with Vidalia, and by proxy the Beach City See, this is the kind of townie episode we need.
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Dec 14, 2016 09:27
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Just have the main characters other than Steven interact with the town more. You don't have to expand the lore, or move the plot every time, if you can still provide quality character moments.
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Dec 14, 2016 10:00
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I feel like comparing Townee episodes with gem episodes is unfair. Its almost like there is 2 entirely different shows in SU.
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Dec 14, 2016 10:33
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Attestant posted:Just have the main characters other than Steven interact with the town more. You don't have to expand the lore, or move the plot every time, if you can still provide quality character moments. The problem is that Steven will have to be there anyway, since the show has been pretty rigorous about making sure we see what he sees. Going back over the series though, I do hope there's an episode where someone finally calls out Steven for his manipulative behavior without the show taking Steven's side on things. The New Lars is probably the best example of this, but Steven's been having a problem with making decisions FOR people, with Barn Mates, Mr. Greg, and Beach City Drift as notable occasions. Maybe Garnet sits him down one episode and points out this stuff and says "Hey, I know things usually turn out okay  , but making decisions for people is lovely, and it's what made your mom a lovely gem. Plus the Diamonds decided our entire lives for us before we were even born but that's getting into some pretty heavy poo poo."
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Dec 14, 2016 15:44
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The issue is the show wants to be a lot of things but is in a slow moving 10 minute an episode format. It wants to be a magical girl show with Steven coming to terms with himself and his powers, a larger epic story of rebellion against an evil empire that is shown both in the past through flashbacks and the current timeline, a magical girlfriend anime involving Greg and Rose, and a slice of life show where the incidental characters are given episodes to expand on their issues (which often never come up again). It's very stretched thin and while I think it's doing a good job overall they only have so much time to devote to every one of those ideas and it feels weird when there's the looming disaster and Steven is taking time to be a wishing arcade machine or something.
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Dec 14, 2016 16:26
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*Checks graph of show ratings for SU* *Sees that Say Uncle is the lowest rated* Yyyyyeah, I would take all those ratings with a grain of salt because IMDB apparently doesn't have a sense of humor. 
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Dec 14, 2016 16:44
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oh yes oh god yes form the head FORM THE HEAD unghhhh...
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IronSaber posted:*Checks graph of show ratings for SU* Well to be fair Say Uncle is a bad episode.
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IronSaber posted:*Checks graph of show ratings for SU* Don't you know? Real Cool Adults can only consume media if they can convince themselves that it's very serious and meaningful.
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Radish posted:The issue is the show wants to be a lot of things but is in a slow moving 10 minute an episode format. It wants to be a magical girl show with Steven coming to terms with himself and his powers, a larger epic story of rebellion against an evil empire that is shown both in the past through flashbacks and the current timeline, a magical girlfriend anime involving Greg and Rose, and a slice of life show where the incidental characters are given episodes to expand on their issues (which often never come up again). It's very stretched thin and while I think it's doing a good job overall they only have so much time to devote to every one of those ideas and it feels weird when there's the looming disaster and Steven is taking time to be a wishing arcade machine or something. I think SU will look different in retrospect than when it's being watched live. The extremely slow release schedule seems to be a CN thing rather than an inherent flaw of the show, so you end up waiting months for a minor townie episode that doesn't advance the overarching plot. It felt very balanced when I was binging for the first time, watching everything up until "Say Uncle" over the course of a few weeks. Starting with "Love Letters', however, I've had to wait along with everyone else.
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Hihohe posted:I feel like comparing Townee episodes with gem episodes is unfair. Its almost like there is 2 entirely different shows in SU. Yeah and one's bad
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i liked the uncle episode, it was a fun diversion and the reactions of the gems were priceless why do people hate it, breaks the tone too much?
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RottenK posted:i liked the uncle episode, it was a fun diversion and the reactions of the gems were priceless I just really don't like the characters in UG  which is a shame, because yeah, the gem reactions are awesome
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Triskelli posted:The problem is that Steven will have to be there anyway, since the show has been pretty rigorous about making sure we see what he sees. I think after New Lars Steven did understand he was loving it up. I mean, in "Kiki's Pizza Delivery Service" he immediately apologizes to Kiki when he realizes he was in her dreams. After that episode I don't remember Steven making decisions for people.
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RottenK posted:i liked the uncle episode, it was a fun diversion and the reactions of the gems were priceless Some people can't stand Uncle Grandpa or its style of humor, but it's probably because it was a non-canon April Fool's episode instead of a deep, emotional storyline like the show is famous for.
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Dec 14, 2016 20:44
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I don't understand why people are so defensive about liking dogshit episode "Say Uncle" but there is no need for some special explanation for why other people are able to correctly discern that it's garbage.
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hangedman1984 posted:Well to be fair Say Uncle is a bad episode. Counterpoint: Say Uncle had a head cannon sinking a ship, which was a lot of self aware humor for a show. I doubt that episode would work after recent seasons though.
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Hakkesshu posted:Yeah and one's bad If you say so...
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Fanmade gif but spoilered for people who haven't gotten to the "Know Your Fusion" episode yet. http://giffing-su.tumblr.com/post/154469428102 GunnerJ posted:I don't understand why people are so defensive about liking dogshit episode "Say Uncle" but there is no need for some special explanation for why other people are able to correctly discern that it's garbage. 
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I just want more Deweys. Mayor Dewey has barely been a character lately, and even Buck has been scarce.I hope that Sugar and Co. can pry Joel away from the production of new MST3K long enough to get some more Dewey. Episode titles: Major Dewey. Dewey or Dewey Not. A Buck and his dog. Mayor Dewey vs. Homeworld. The Good, the Bad, and the Dewey. I just find both Deweys hillarious. The townie episodes are worthwhile for them if nothing else.
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Say Uncle has only one redeeming quality, which is the freakouts that the crystal gems have when their heads reattach.
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One of Steven's core character traits is that he's the bridge between the Gem world and the Human world, with strong ties to both but not fully existing in either. The townies need to exist to explore this, it can't all be expressed through his relationship with his Dad. The best townie ep is Joy Ride, IMO. The Cool Kids are fun to hang out with, it's equal parts fun and emotional, and it has one of the most direct meetings of the two worlds with the escape pod shenannigans.
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Tetracube posted:The problem is how the show increasingly separates the townies and the gems. Townies were fine when the gems had to deal with magic problems around beach city. I think this essentially gets to the heart of the matter. The show, ostensibly, is supposed to be about how this half-human, half-spacerock child interacts with his world with the opera as a backdrop. But over the past... while... (I don't know when seasons split anymore and I don't really care) the gems have stayed off in the temple or farm and the humans have been in town and there's been zero interaction. Seeing how the gems/gem stuff is forced to fit into society (like the beach volleyball vs. the Pizza family episode or Frybo) is entertaining. Low-key conflict resolution (Kiki's Pizza Delivery Service), not so much. Beach City needs the gems and all their weirdness to be an engaging landscape. What I'm saying is KEEP BEACH CITY WEIRD!
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TwoPair posted:I think this essentially gets to the heart of the matter. The show, ostensibly, is supposed to be about how this half-human, half-spacerock child interacts with his world with the opera as a backdrop. But over the past... while... (I don't know when seasons split anymore and I don't really care) the gems have stayed off in the temple or farm and the humans have been in town and there's been zero interaction. Seeing how the gems/gem stuff is forced to fit into society (like the beach volleyball vs. the Pizza family episode or Frybo) is entertaining. Low-key conflict resolution (Kiki's Pizza Delivery Service), not so much. Ronaldo hasn't updated http://keepbeachcityweird.tumblr.com/ since July. 
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Mr.Pibbleton posted:Ronaldo hasn't updated http://keepbeachcityweird.tumblr.com/ since July. It's probably cause of that girlfriend of his. Ugh.
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The gems have mostly stayed in their temple or in the vicinity if a warp pad in some old gem ruin for the bulk of the last 5,000 years, there hasn't really been much of a reason for them to interact with the rest of the town. Even during the Homeworld invasion, they knocked out power and prompted an evacuation, but they never ventured far enough from the temple to actually encounter the rest of Beach City. Even when the townsfolk seek out the gems, it's always Steven who answers the door; he's their buffer between them and the rest of human civilization, and it seems like he's mostly grown out of trying to treat the gems like humans and show them the glories of terrestrial living. Maybe Peridot and Lapis might need to venture out for supplies or Amethyst will go off the reservation again, but other than that, I don't see much reason for the two worlds to collide again.
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SlothfulCobra posted:The gems have mostly stayed in their temple or in the vicinity if a warp pad in some old gem ruin for the bulk of the last 5,000 years, there hasn't really been much of a reason for them to interact with the rest of the town. Even during the Homeworld invasion, they knocked out power and prompted an evacuation, but they never ventured far enough from the temple to actually encounter the rest of Beach City. Even when the townsfolk seek out the gems, it's always Steven who answers the door; he's their buffer between them and the rest of human civilization, and it seems like he's mostly grown out of trying to treat the gems like humans and show them the glories of terrestrial living. Hmm, the amount of time Amethyst spends out doing stuff in Beach City these days is one of those unknowns, like we hope she continued to keep up with Vidalia after reconnecting with her, she presumably still wrestles since she mentions it again in Back to the Barn, other than that we're just not sure
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It's about time that we got a new Tiger Millionaire episode.
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Rhonne posted:It's about time that we got a new Tiger Millionaire episode. One of the confirmed episode titles is Tiger Philanthropist.
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Neopie posted:One of the confirmed episode titles is Tiger Philanthropist. it's literally the only remaining confirmed episode title (though I don't see it being the next episode, given that the few season 4 titles that got leaked weren't in order and skipped a few)
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Rhonne posted:It's about time that we got a new Tiger Millionaire episode. It was about time right after Tiger Millionaire aired.
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I could totally rave to another Sour Cream episode.
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I'd like to see him in the background fishing with his stepdad. Yellowtail is accepting of his career path so SC compromises and goes fishing with him every now and then as a bonding exercise 
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